My Case for Objective Morality by freedomizer

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life · @freedomizer · Oct 13 '16 (edited)

My Case for Objective Morality

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<p>So i will make my case for Objective morality. Many believe that morality in many cases is subjective. Well why would that not extend to even the most immoral and horrific acts such as rape , murder ect.? One cannot equate right vs wrong, nor have any accountability if morality is subjective. The fact no person wants many of these horrific acts to happen to them imdividually is an undeniable fact that morality is objective. If one merely chooses to have poor morals and act in a violent or aggressive manner, it is not somehow subjectively justifiable.<br>
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<p>I would consider life objectively valuable for a few reason. As each individual is objectively a separate person owning ones own body, mind, life and since life is an attribute of the individual, ones own life would be ones ultimate value. Each individual is morally an end in themself, not a means to the ends of others. That means a person has no moral duty to sacrifice them self for the sake of others (as religion and social subjectivism claim) nor a moral right to sacrifice others for their own sake (as personal subjectivism [or hedonism] claims). On principle alone, self-sacrifice or sacrifice of others is not moral, because, on principle, human sacrifice as such is immoral.<br>
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<p>The entire premise of the NAP deems initiation of aggression is objectively immoral. If that isnt screaming objective moral code, I am not sure what could. Many can justify acts to self, but that never changes the morality. One can have many reasons to choose to be immoral, that however doesnt change the fact it was still immoral.<br>
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@creatr · Oct 13 '16

Hey, @freedomizer,

You've hit on it right here:

>life is an attribute of the individual, ones own life would be ones ultimate value.

That's right in line with what Jesus said:

>*"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?"* - Matthew 16:26

The human life is in fact the most fundamentally important unit of wealth, no getting around it. My freedom ends where your nose begins... Objective morality.

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@eerygarden · Oct 14 '16

In response here is my case for why morality is some times objective and some times subjective.

Take a hypothetical scenario where we have ten rape victims. The rapist in each case is known. The fathers of each of the victims may feel morally justified in responding in a number of different ways according to **their** morals. A number may choose to cause varying degrees of physical harm to the rapist, from murder to a pin prick.  Some will choose to inflict varying degrees of financial harm to the rapist and others will seek to inflict varying degrees of social harm to the rapist. Others may choose to delegate the response to an arbitration service (or third party) and some will choose inaction. In this scenario morality is subjective.

If ten people visit a shop and pay for their items totalling $5 with a $10 bill and the cashier hands over a $1 bill as change with full knowledge that he is short changing the customer. This is immoral in 100% of the cases and there is only one fair resolution, for the cashier to hand over $5 worth of change. In this scenario morality is objective.

Morality depends upon the scenario as to whether it is subjective or not.

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@everittdmickey · Oct 13 '16

the only morality is the [NAP](  https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Principle_of_non-aggression).
All else is semantics.

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@freedomizer · Oct 13 '16

Indeed, which is why morality is objective :)

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