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Tokenizing The Internet With Hive - HiveTips, HivePatron & MyAltWallet (Proposal #128) by fullalt

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Tokenizing The Internet With Hive - HiveTips, HivePatron & MyAltWallet (Proposal #128)
# <center> Tokenizing The Internet With Hive. </center>

<center> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431740239355052042/812122063363244082/maw4bsq.png </center>



### Introduction


What’s better than getting Hive into the mainstream of things? "Nothing" you say. Well, FullALT has some good news for you.

We are creating the tools to help make that a reality all over the internet. Including some of the sites and platforms that many thought are "impossible" to tackle.


Furthermore, let's add to that the marketing potentials for HIVE.
The best marketing for any currency is utilization. If currencies are seen in use, that is the most effective means of ensuring they are known of and accepted, all over the internet (world).

This can only be achieved if there are tools built for real world use cases in existing real world markets. In a user friendly means, which the lack of is often the biggest drawback in the crypto scene.

Our two native currencies HIVE & HBD have the potential to achieve this, if we concentrate our efforts on the diversity of their utilization (use cases), particularly those that tap into the existing markets out there.











### Proposal Type:
Hive services

### Principals:
#### @fullalt (@fullalt.dhf)
Website: https://www.fullalt.com/
Discord: https://discord.gg/pymVZT2

Which is comprised of the following team members:
* @jackmiller         (https://www.jackmiller.info )
* @guiltyparties        (https://guiltyparties.com/)
* @inthenow

Lead Developer/Coder (Contractor):

* @lightproject         (https://lightproject.me/)

All listed on our website:
https://www.fullalt.com/the-team/

Note:
This proposal has been submitted in accordance with the [general guidelines presented to the community.](https://hive.blog/hive-102930/@blocktrades/draft-template-for-proposals)
& within the [general criteria expected](https://hive.blog/hive-102930/@guiltyparties/dhf-trust-and-integrity) from a transparent, clear cut, definitive business/DHF proposal.





[FullALT - Road Map](https://hive.blog/hive-175447/@fullalt/fullalt-roadmap-2021)

While FullALT has been referred to as a ‘tip bot’ by some, we actually offer a wide-ranging roster of flexible cross-medium interaction services that reach far beyond tips or bots.

2020 - Phase 1 (Completed)

HIVE and HBD can now be utilized as currencies for real world market uses, on the following protocols and platforms:

Email:
Gmail
All other emails

Social Media and Messaging:
Twitter
Youtube
Telegram

Browsers:
Google Chrome
Chromium
FireFox

Our vision is to prove that the internet can be tokenized with HIVE and HBD. We have made gains on this vision not only in theory but in practice, within real world use cases in existing real world markets. i.e. gratuities markets.




2021 - Phase 2

Expansion on the above lists of sites, platforms and relevant services to get Hive available out on the mainstream markets with the goal of helping to ensure both HIVE and HBD can be utilized as currencies in any part of this world in user friendly ways, on any phone or computer.

Building bridges and synergy with other platforms and services, such as Telegram and expanding the overall possibilities for any and all apps and people that wish to easily and effectively utilize HIVE and HBD.

[Incorporation of the upcoming hard coded ‘recurring payments’ features on Hive into all products/services.](https://hive.blog/hive/@fullalt/the-next-hive-hf-and-fullalt-ref-gratuities)

When the full 62 days of DHF funding are completed, the funds from the 2020 portion that were all paid for by @jackmiller (from his personal savings) shall be utilized in the following manner:
- 80% powered up (HP) and utilized within the ecosystem to promote Hive marketing activities by members of the broader community.
- 20% kept in liquid HBD for unforeseen ‘incidentals’ that may arise. I.e. API costs which can scale unpredictably.

Actively partake in the activities and work to help empower the newly emerging Hive Marketing collaborative team-working initiative.

Expand on SEO recognition and other relevant efforts currently worked on.



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<center> ![fullalt logo 300.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmYtq198mPe1Se2Zmo54GndqQ3oNFAHw6eigsuCKXgTYkC/fullalt%20logo%20300.png) </center>


<div class="text-justify">Hello from the team at FullAlt! Noticing the title, you will correctly have assumed that the content contained herein is all relative to a proposal we have set in motion. We feel the numbers will speak for themselves and product is genuine. Never in the history of Hive, has there been such a sound bridge between a blockchain and other traditional centralized social media platforms. We have full faith, that over the course of the next couple years, that HiveTips will be one of the lead horses in the race to expose Hive to the masses of people that are still (knowingly or not) waiting to break away from the chains of the corporate giants. So without further ado, we give you:



## Detailed overviews of products and services released to date:

# HiveTips


https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/fullalt/s5mBWFpE-ht3a.png


[HiveTips - "A real world use case for HIVE & HBD in a real world market."](https://hive.blog/hivetips/@fullalt/hivetips-a-real-world-use-case-for-hive-and-hbd-in-a-real-world-market)




https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/fullalt/MsziTRFo-pasted20image200.png

[Introducing - HIVE PATRON!](https://hive.blog/fullalt/@fullalt/benefits-of-hivetips-introducing-hive-patron)



https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/fullalt/sFvAMtjN-maw2a.png

[My Alt Wallet - Telegram](https://hive.blog/hive-175447/@fullalt/hivetips-has-expanded-we-are-now-on-telegram)


& we also have a “Hive account creation service” included in all our products:

i.e.
![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmYFBPAR4gS12MZ1PDJJbnwex9g489tB5xGwMLgXFCwPsa/image.png)





### Costs

[HiveTips DHF Proposal - Revised Milestones with Options](https://hive.blog/hive-175447/@fullalt/dhf-options-milestones)
Update Posted on: 07 January 2021

Cost Breakdown:

##### 2020 Costs

##### $59,100 USD

Ref: FullAlt: 2020 Checks & Balances
https://hive.blog/hive-175447/@fullalt/fullalt-2020-checks-and-balances

Note: The above recap for 2020 was completed on the 23rd of December 2020. All work done in the days, prior to 01 Jan 2021 shall fall into the 2021 budget.

##### 2021 Projected Costs

Costs

Labour (Dev) 220 work days x 6 hrs @ $45/hr, from 01 Jan 2021: $59,400

Potential overtime per month (including potential emergency calls during the 145 days off): Up to 4 hrs x 12 months = 48 Hrs = $2,160

Staging and production servers and other equipment: $1,200

Third party mandatory operation costs i.e. APIs: $1,800

Incidentals: $300

##### 2021 projected total: $64,860

##### Total 2020 + 2021: $124,000 (Rounded up, 62 Days of funding)

#####  Current status:

[1.664 days funded to date](https://wallet.hive.blog/@fullalt.dhf/transfers)

= 60.336 Days of funding approval remaining.


<br>

##### Opportunity to Empower

We are considering a couple strategically-placed press releases that would focus on Hive itself far more so than this project. For this, we will collaborate and coordinate with the individuals who have organized Hive communication to-date; ie. the individuals who manage the @hiveio account and the newly emerging Hive Marketing Team.

We will source these opportunities and obtain them where possible for free.

To give everyone an idea of the market prices for the services that we will be resourcing on our own and in cooperation with the new Hive marketing team which is in the makings, we have done the following research to obtain outlet pricing:


[Advertising Plan & Costs](https://hive.blog/hive-102930/@fullalt/hive-advertising-and-marketing-campaign)



Notes

All timesheets and invoices are reviewed and audited prior to any payment being made. Only the hours invested and actually worked are paid, all at a fixed hourly rate. We believe in paying a fair rate for our developer hours and we do not attempt to milk the rewards pool for this with upvotes.

If you choose to support this proposal, we kindly ask that you inform us, so that we can add you to our DM list for sending out a reminder when the above defined funding goal (amount) is achieved.

This is our obligation to ensure that you are directly informed on time.

As stated the general scope of work and objectives remain unchanged.
Proposal Link on PeakD: https://peakd.com/proposals/128



##### This is a 'Cut' Proposal
Once the 62 days of funding is achieved, the proposal shall be removed and everyone shall be informed via an update.



##### Major Unforeseen Changes
All unforeseen additional options can be submitted as new proposals, if necessary.

I.e. as new sites are added, most of them have a fee for using their API, these costs were originally included in the Incidentals, but are now omitted. Most platforms state very clearly, that they have a unilateral right to determine costs, based on their own criteria, i.e. number of API calls. If these exceed the current proposals planned budget then we have the right to submit those as new proposals. In short, if (once) Hive becomes amazingly popular (which will be awesome!) and our API costs go through the roof, then we'll need your help! Any such situations shall be transparently defined, with proof from the relevant platforms prior to submitting any such Proposal(s).





### Explanation of proposal costs
The aim is to be a ‘fee-less’ project wherever possible on the internet. This is in line with the Hive ecosystem which offers Fast & ‘Fee-less’ transactions.
However, as we all know, there is no free lunch. Tokenizing the internet with HIVE via Hive is no easy task and we have the potential to achieve a good chunk of the work for Hive.
 
This proposal does not cover all the work hours invested. (as detailed earlier)
 
Our contracted developer/coder for this project has given a discounted FIXED rate of only $45/hrs.
He too sees the real potential this project has to offer everyone on Hive.
Likewise, his integrity to date has been impeccable. To the point that during the course of the works so far, we were faced with an unforeseen issue with one of the platforms. He offered to not charge a single cent for the seven days of work needed to remedy those issues caused by the third party platform.
He shared the responsibility as only a professional and dedicated contributor would.
 
[To back this proposal, we have provided proof of costs to date, with detailed invoices and proof of payments (on the chain). ]( https://hive.blog/hive-175447/@fullalt/fullalt-2020-checks-and-balances)

[˙No member of FULLALT is getting funded or compensated for any work invested into HiveTips.](https://hive.blog/proposal/@fullalt/annex-b-for-proposal-on-hivetips)

Hours invested by the FullALT team and friends supporting us =  $0.

We are looking at Hive as a long term blockchain endeavor which is worth the invested time and effort.
 


##### Reach us

If you choose to support/vote for our proposal or if you simply enjoy using our products, please join our Discord and stay up to date!

Link to FullAlt Discord: https://discord.gg/ESN9gz9

Proposal Link on PeakD: https://peakd.com/proposals/128




### Progress reporting
By milestone:
Note: Weekly timesheets and invoices from the coder shall be given to FULLALT reviewed, processed-paid accordingly & made public via the chain no less than once a month.

### Accountability & Auditing
All coding costs, weekly reports, time sheets, and invoices shall be reviewed and audited by @guiltyparties and @jackmiller prior to payments being made.

Sample of submitted timesheets/invoices:


This is an added level of accountability that the funds being invested are handled in a professional and responsible manner.

As stated earlier, all transactions will be transparently executed on Hive.

# 2020

# [FullAlt: 2020 Checks & Balances](https://hive.blog/hive-175447/@fullalt/fullalt-2020-checks-and-balances)

Posted on the 23rd of December 2020.


@fullalt.dhf
This will be the account that will be utilized for any and all funds from the DHF. It will serve as the account for transparency, easy tracking, auditing and managing those funds. The proposal will be open until the 62 days of funding are fulfilled in its entirety. After which it will be removed.




**The project goal is to expand Hive, HIVE & HBD *all over the internet.***

Literally making the dream of tokenizing the internet with HIVE come to life.



###  [Benefits](https://hive.blog/fullalt/@fullalt/benefits-of-hivetips-introducing-hive-patron)

“It is the use case scenarios where **HiveTips, HivePatron & MyAltWallet** are *required all over the internet*. No, not just in some niche spaces, but all over the internet. Where there are people in the services markets, there is a potential need for rewarding those people with HIVE and other applicable use cases for these tools. Which brings us to the benefits **HiveTips, HivePatron & MyAltWallet** have to offer to Hive in the segment of *outreach*. “



### Benefits of HiveTips, HivePatron & MyAltWallet:
“These services aim to be a major factor in the expansion and adoption of Hive across the web as all of the above listed will increase exponentially. The current number of people on the internet is over 4.8 billion and that number will only grow and HiveTips is a great vehicle to reach this audience. HiveTips is solely dedicated to giving a well known and utilized use case 'Fast and Fee-less' in which the existing circa 400 million HIVE out there can be put to good use. Unlike many other ventures that came before, these services don’t rely on upvoting or otherwise extracting rewards from the “rewards-pool”. Instead, they champions investment.
It is investors creating investors.

By providing use cases, we will help build a demand for HIVE. “

### What happens if the proposal becomes unfunded?

In the event that the project is not funded, we will continue forward with our plans, however we will be limited in the dynamics of where and how our HIVE can be used. To date all costs incurred have been covered by @jackmiler and @guiltyparties (ref: Annex A)

In the event that funding gets cut off, we will re-evaluate what can and cannot be done in accordance with our capabilities and financial resources. The plan is to stick to the goal of promoting our ecosystem and the main economical features of Hive, which is *‘Fast and Fee-less’*.

We have no intentions of abandoning this project as we see that it has way too much to offer Hive presently and moving forward. It isn’t all about the money. If it was, we wouldn’t have been ready to risk all our personal savings to prove that a working product and use case of Hive & HIVE can be expanded to a diverse range of platforms on the internet.

As per the earlier listed facts and stats, HiveTips, HivePatron & MyAltWallet will be utilized on not only the listed platforms out there, but on others too, hence being seen sooner or later by well [over 30% of internet users](https://peakd.com/hivetips/@fullalt/hivetips-and-the-3-0-percent), which is HiveTips’ current potential outreach.

“Hive is ALIVE” because so many of us in the community believe in everything Hive can become. HiveTips, HivePatron and MyAltWallet  are some of the premiere tools that will help make all of these dreams come to life. If we fail to capitalize on this potential, then it is highly likely that our competitors on other blockchains will seize this opportunity instead of Hive.



### Final Statements:
We have successfully integrated HIVE and Hive with the internet giants via a fully operational Beta products that tokenizes the world wide web. This is no small feat, and we feel our accomplishment should not be taken lightly or shrugged off.

###### "Why did we submit a proposal only after fully knowing that the idea is tangible and functional?"
We believe in this project. We know what the potential benefits are for Hive so to put a proposal in without a provable working product, would be like selling an *idea* with nothing to prove its tangibility. We have proven that it is possible to present a complete project and product.

This projecct is taking HIVE directly to the mainstream, where the vast majority of the 4.8 billion people on the internet hang out!

These tools and services are being built for the best interests of Hive. The blockchain scene, and even more so, the cryptocurrency atmosphere, is extremely competitive. We are here to ensure the integrity of this project.


Finally, we would like to ask that you support this proposal with your vote. We all want to see Hive, HIVE and HBD go mainstream. HiveTips can be a major game changer in that process. Your support will be a testament that *everyone* can be a part of **tokenizing the web** with ***HIVE***.

Thank you.

# <center> [Proposal Q & A](https://hive.blog/proposals/@fullalt/hivetips-proposal-q-and-a) </center>


![fullalt footer.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmPCcSwdYkiJGyGUsRJQew9wN66E5PoYkmuNNPGuBcDLVK/fullalt%20footer.png)


<br>









# <center> ANNEX A </center>

# 2020

# [FullAlt: 2020 Checks & Balances](https://hive.blog/hive-175447/@fullalt/fullalt-2020-checks-and-balances)

Link: https://hive.blog/hive-175447/@fullalt/fullalt-2020-checks-and-balances

Posted on the 23rd of December 2020.

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#### Where and How can I vote for the proposal?
- The Title of the proposal is: [HiveTips Funding (Tokenizing the Internet with Hive)](https://peakd.com/proposal/@fullalt/hivetips-proposal)
- The proposal number is: 128
- On PeakD: https://peakd.com/proposals/128

[![pasted image 0 1.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/fullalt/b0Fan01J-pasted20image200201.png)
](https://peakd.com/proposals/128)

<hr>

- On Hive.blog: https://wallet.hive.blog/proposals

[![HiveWallet.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/fullalt/vt6VCFf5-Hive-Wallet.png)](https://wallet.hive.blog/proposals)

<hr>


- With HiveSigner: *Note - this is an instant approval link to show support for Hivetips.*
 - https://hivesigner.com/sign/update-proposal-votes?proposal_ids=%5B128%5D&approve=true

<hr>

# <center> [""Tokenizing The Internet With Hive"](https://peakd.com/proposals/128)
# <center>   [HiveTips, HivePatron & MyAltWallet"](https://peakd.com/proposals/128)

# <center> Hive is ALIVE! </center>


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>  The proposal will be open until the funding is fulfilled in its entirety. After which it will be removed.

i think this should be in bold and Header 1 as a lot of people will miss it and they will see 1.4 mil and 2000 a day. and it is really easy to miss.
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@fullalt ·
Bolded and italicized for emphasis, thank you.
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@jackmiller · (edited)
Good point, will forward it to the man in charge of the post. 

@enginewitty
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@bil.prag ·
i know the post is long :) but you could maybe also add the explanation about it, copy the one you did in the comments. people don't really know how this works
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@canna-curate ·
$0.02
Sounds promising. So will a person have to have a Hive account to receive a tip?
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@enginewitty ·
No, the funds would be held (regardless if they had a Hive account or not) for 30 days unless claimed. In that time frame, ones without can easily create one and claim their tips.
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@cervantes ·
Voted and all our support!
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@fullalt ·
Many thank yous!
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@chekohler ·
Very cool ive see white a few tipping extensions supporting Twitter using the lightning network and people are starting to use it! 

Would be such a great onboarding tool especially on sites like Twitter! I also think it has potential to connect with other tipping platforms or even something like Fio token or brave which also has its tipping service and leverage the network effort of other tools as we all want the same goal, adoption

Voting for this one! 
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@jackmiller ·
$0.02
Gmail, Youtube (Google), Twitter are the internet giants tackled to prove that it can be done.

The internet can be tokenized with HIVE.

Just as importantly, value has been added to their platforms with the option for people to reward others with HIVE. Our community is not a small community by no means. 

In order to move forwards with the tokenization of the internet with HIVE, we need to get the tools out there to where people hang out on the internet. HiveTips can do that, proven with the above use cases/platforms.

I love it, Hive is Alive. Let's tokenize the web with HIVE!
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@clove71 ·
$0.03
I think Hive tips is a great idea!! I would use it every day!
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@fullalt ·
$0.04
Awesome, thank you sweets! We like it a little more than a little bit too 😇
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@cryptobrewmaster ·
That’s a nice idea and professionally made proposa...
That’s a nice idea and professionally made proposal worth voting 🗳 We support the idea of that kind of mass adoption! We need that idea to be released 

 
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@jackmiller ·
The more diversity in use cases all over the internet for HIVE the more diverse the demand for it will be!

Hopefully we will see many more use cases by the end of 2021.

HIVE to the Moon! Let's make it happen.
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@currentxchange ·
$0.02
# I really like this idea, though I think it could be improved. 

This idea rests on a simple assumption, at it's core. 

That assumption is people that want to tip creators. 

Now, this is a great idea. **people do want to help others**

### But this assumptions lies on assumptions

- People have enough hive to tip (Big One)
- People would like to show their appreciation in a tip (Big Two)
- People would rather show their appreciation in this particular way so much, that they **don't feel satisfied with native feedback mechanisms** (likes, RT, etc) and this drive is so much that they will take the action to install a browser plugin to send their assets to show this appreciation

### Why do I think these assumptions are important to consider?
I think that the amount of people who want to tip hive is, max, 2,000-3000. Out of these, I think only about 300-500 will actually be monthly tippers. 

### Why do I think that?

It's an estimate, it could be wrong!!

# For me, this whole idea of tipping by sending your money to another is old hat. It's a step BACKWARD from the Hive core model.

# What is a step forward??
The thing that excites me most about Hive, as well as the [web 4](https://github.com/dougbutner/web-4) platforms I am working to [develop](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T2JH9J73WjgZ9-cULJAzrYvZzyPSXEA_fdgt21lHnDc/preview) is that they all have one commonality -> 

# The everyday user doesn't have to spend their money to help another

For me, this is an idealogical requirement for progress. 

I don't see any real progress here. I think you did a WONDERFUL job on this proposal, except explaining the core benefit. Other than a small boost to the Hive community through the advertising plan (which I think is a great plan) I don't think that this will provide much value to the hive community. 


### Also, I do take issue with this
>  Being able to tip a person with a Hive account, for anything on the internet, is something that needs no added explanation.

Well, I think it does need an explanation. Mainly for this question: If we can already tip without spending money (Upvotes) what is the added value here? (answerable) and also this one: Does each creator on Youtube / Twitter etc need to associate this account with their Hive account through verification to receive Hive?

Wouldn't it make more value to just make a customizable autogenerated post to Hive from these services. Storing a MD template in the browser plugin that can post to any template the user wishes? This puts more original content on the Hive blockchain, and people can "Tip" with out spending their money....

You could (maybe) even use the youtube API to prepend a message to the description of the video linking to the post on Hive. 


This would require action on the creator, not the tipper, but in my mind, that makes more sense, as the creator is then also directing the tipper to their real Hive post, where the tipper can TIP EASILY on peakd, or upvote, a more advanced form of tipping. 


In summary, I think that this will provide a small boost to the hive community, and also benefit 300-500 people per month who may use the service. It's not my money, so I do support this project. But I think it's a good point to stop and reflect on the ideas that brought us here, and work together to take steps forward not back. This is not a step forward. It's a dance in the place we are standing to try to attract attention and benefit the few, while largely ignoring the group that we should be focusing on, those who aren't yet on Hive, or just joined. 

### I hope I'm wrong and it turns out to be a huge benefit to everyone!!


Thanks for listening @fullalt

Good Luck, 

- Douglas from [cXc Music](https://music.cxc.world)
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@enginewitty ·
Being a musician myself, I would be curious to see 'Purple'. Choon floundered on us, Musiccoin - well - that crapped I'd say too and DSound? I can't get anything to work on that. So put me on your list to keep informed about it ;)
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@currentxchange ·
Hey @enginewitty,

We have an email signup at the bottom of our website: https://currentxchange.com/

Purple was supposed to be a SMT, but that didn't work out!! Over the last year, I have been re-thinking the whole economics, and came up with a general Time Token concept that I plan to integrate into cXc Music in the next update. 

It's a similar concept, with Sol and Blue, except we don't need the third token (purple) at all, as now Sol and Blue are both on blockchain.

I have a meeting later today with Civic to see about using their verification system on our site, which would solve the biggest roadblock to making this real!! Without verification, time tokens won't work, as it's too easy to collect to many pretending to be 100 different people. 

Rest assured, cXc Music isn't going anywhere!!! We are almost at 2 years, and plan for many more.

Stoked you are stoked!! 
- Douglas from [cXc Music](https://music.cxc.world)
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@fullalt ·
@jackmiller here.

After discussing it with our lovely advisor on "how to word things effectively", the sentence at question has been fixed.

Thanks for pointing it out to us.
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@jackmiller · (edited)
Finally, opinions backed with reasoning based on a point of view that is definitely under the influence of the Hive ecosystem.

Which is fantastic, because, guess what, I love Hive and hope that everyone out there starts utilizing what we have to offer.

So we are on the same side when it comes to that.

However, you did go through numerous points about your opinions and if I may, I would like to answer them in the same order, with ref. to the proposal and the relevant links/justification.


Wish me luck! Because in this day and age it seems to be harder to get people to agree on the positives of anything than to disagree over the differences! Or maybe that has been the case with humanity for a little longer than FB arrive on the scene! But I still prefer to blame FB for it all! :)


Your point:

> I really like this idea, though I think it could be improved.


Answer. Fully agree. Hence the proposal. "Improving" also includes Expanding. 
Expanding also includes a much larger outreach to people all over the internet. 

That we can agree upon, in fact, I believe we probably do.

However, the point you made about "us assuming", well, let me quote:


![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmUoUcA463qd5FMGF4ggRgAYbPBmNB8aRXKhzCVmNwsEJA/image.png)


So, as you can see, the sources are not "us" the creators of HiveTips, it is also:


Hackernoon
[Will digital tipping become cryptocurrencies first real-world use case?](https://hackernoon.com/will-digital-tipping-become-cryptocurrencies-first-real-world-use-case-e35743996ba3)

Coindesk
[The Tipping Point of Bitcoin Micropayments](https://www.coindesk.com/tipping-point-bitcoin-micropayments) 

& the all too well known:

Statista.com

[www.statista.com](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1081976/china-online-streaming-teenage-user-average-single-tipping-amount/)

Important enough to for these and many other relevant sites which are concentrated on economics and cryptocurrencies.

Just that last link kinda addresses your own admission to the possibility of:

> It's an estimate, it could be wrong!!

Yet, to add to that, so as to ensure you see it from other sources and not just from the website that follows statistics and addresses them too.

Let's look at the fact that we have Patreon, yes, it can be called anything anyone wants to call it, but at the end of the day it is people giving from themselves to others.

Youtube, has options to donate to those on live streams, yet again, people giving to others.

Many of the games out there have similar options available, most of which are not crypto, but who says that crypto can't be used for giving in games all over the net!

and I could name at least a dozen more cases where giving/tipping is a normal daily practice and a gigantic market to tap into with a crypto currency. 


But, let's get back to the links supplied in the proposal to back the idea of Tipping. The point made was, maybe there are some other people out there in this world who back the idea of tipping as a provable and practical use case for crypto currencies. 

Why shouldn't that be HIVE?

Why let any of our competitors grab that market?

But OK, I do get your point and as I mentioned earlier, it is heavily influenced by the joys of the Hive ecosystem that we here are so aware of and so used to seeing, using and enjoying.


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On your opinion about what you feel to be a step backwards or forwards, is somewhat tackled in the above answer, so it is clear that there are differentiating opinions on that and there is nothing wrong with that, in fact, I love the fact that you voiced your opinion so openly. 

We don't have to agree on everything to work together to make Hive and HIVE everything they can be.


So, then we have:

> What is a step forward??

To address this from an angle that may just compliment your point of view, but add a new light to the reality of things:

We quoted the fact that there are currently some 4.5 Billion, yep, Billion people on the net.

WOW. 

The fact is, that number is expected to increase as time goes forwards.

We have tens of thousands of people on Hive.

Not all are bloggers, in fact, blogging is one of the lower ranking use cases of the internet. Big deal, the people who do blog, blog, just like gamers do their thing. It is all too good to be true, as diversity is BEAUTIFUL.

Without it, things would be "boring"!

This topic was addressed in the videos that are available here:

[Comprehensive Video Series on HiveTips](https://peakd.com/hivetips/@fullalt/comprehensive-series-on-hivetips-1598453971)

& it is fully understandable if you didn't get around to watching/listening to them. This post was long enough all on its own. If you did, then "Well done". A post like this one, with all the follow up justification and proof provided would take me two to three days to go over in detail.

In these videos, we did go over the networking affect, which is so important to Hive.

But, rather than me go over it again, I'll let you watch/listen to them, when you need to fall asleep, as my voice does have a tendency to put people to sleep. So at least some good use of the videos! :)

What I wish to throw your way is the idea, the notion that diversification of use cases for our crpytocurrencies all over the internet will definitely help build a demand for them. 
This may or may not, but most likely will have a positive effect on the market value, "more demand = higher price" (or so they keep telling us!).

More importantly, it introduces HIVE to people on other platforms. It also gives them a reason to utilize HIVE and hence the networking effect starts to take over. Humans have been humans since the first ones came to be. We are curious creatures!

Which then brings us to what you are saying and suggesting.

However, imagine how many great minds there are among the 4.5 billion people out there who currently do not own any HIVE, who have never heard of Hive, who don't have any use case for HIVE. Imagine if they find out about Hive and HIVE and HBD on sites that they want to hang out on doing what they like doing, instead of being pushed around or even bullied to do stuff that doesn't interest them.

PS. as for the creators sharing to and from Hive.


Check out: 

AltYes

https://www.fullalt.com/ps/

Another little freebie for anyone and everyone out there on the internet.

That is being worked on and has no need for any cofunding, as it is just about to be completed as soon as HF24 is over and done with. Then we will work on finishing that baby off!

Which is exactly what you are talking about and making it all too easy to do and accomplish.


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There is one more thing that I would like to mention though and I am sure we will agree on that:

Our crypto can be utilized in so many ways, it isn't limited to simply one use case. The more diverse use cases out there, the more it will be accepted by various people on the net.

The crypto markets are ruthless and if we don't do whatever it takes to compete then we can kiss any idea of going to the moon goodbye.

Tokenizing the internet, literally requires us to accommodate to the diversity of customer needs and wishes. Who are we to tell the billion or so people tipping hourly that they shouldn't do that.

We can however offer them a solution that is fast and feeless, unlike what they have to date!

Hive can do that.

Most of our competitor cryptocurrencies can't!

Man, I need to learn how to not type an essay when replying, but I'll blame you, you gave me a pretty good one pager to reply to, so well split the blame 50/50 on this long reply.

Hope that this helps give some different and positive perspectives on things, so that we can find common ground and build on them together.

Hive is Alive!

Cheers.
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@currentxchange · (edited)
# Thanks for taking the time to reply




> Why shouldn't that be HIVE?
Why let any of our competitors grab that market?

I think this is the winning point of the whole thing. While I see a well-served niche, it's obviously not. And why not Hive?



I apologize I haven't watched before replying. I was going off of what was presented in this post only (minus the video). I an now listening to the videos you mentioned now. The interviewer is talking about how liking is pretty much meaningless. I think this is the main point of Hive, this very fact, and I just have a different perspective on moving forward from what Hive is doing. 







> More importantly, it introduces HIVE to people on other platforms. It also gives them a reason to utilize HIVE and hence the networking effect starts to take over. Humans have been humans since the first ones came to be. We are curious creatures!

This is one point I did not gain from the proposal, except for the advertising. How can this get more people on Hive if they have to be on Hive to receive the tips? Or is the idea that you tell people about it and they join then to get the rewards?

I have installed the browser extension to see if my concerns were valid or not. Perhaps some things are not working (as you are obviously in an early phase) but I was not able to tip a youtube creator. I tried to put another account (my girlfriends hive handle) in the recipient field, but it didn't seem to work. Or is it their youtube creatorID? That's my main misunderstanding about how this will work.


Listening to the videos, you say that the person on the platform will know they were tipped in Hive, so do you leave a comment via the youtube api? What goes in the recipient field? I wasn't able to leave a tip to a youtube video with the extension as-is (but I assume this is normal, as this hasn't been developed, or you wouldn't need money!!)

Anyway, looking forward to seeing where this goes. I do want to say I do support this project and will be voting on it. 

Yes, I am VERY opinionated in this field, as I have been working on what I think will be the next evolution of what Hive is doing, provable democracy with Time Tokens, where "likes" are limited by time, so they are more meaningful, and each person's say is the exact same (not based on wealth [stake], like on Hive). See the web 4 link in my first post if interested.

So guys, I hope you can educate me on that point about how a person without a Hive account can receive a pending tip, or even better, I look forward to reading your documentation!

All Love, 
- Douglas
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@derangedvisions ·
Interesting concept. It will be cool to see this progress 
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@enginewitty ·
Follow follow, we are just getting started ;)
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@drakernoise ·
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This sounds amazing and I'm testing it asap and will give you feedback.
The idea, the development and deployment seems like a great job done here.
Perfectly explained proposal. Voted!
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@enginewitty ·
Sweet, do let us know if you have any questions with the ext itself. Can hop in the discord any time 😎
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@dunstuff ·
tbh tldr. im sure ill get all i need from the comments section. but from what i skimmed through, seems like something worth the time to look through.
suggest, for full transparency, the edits, as comments, as 'edited' concerns me on a decentral'd - if that makes sense?
maybe its just me
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@jackmiller ·
Edited:

1. adding the links to the proposal voting (so that people don't need to go looking for them)

2. Small edits to the text, that were left out from the Google Doc 5 of us worked on. (typical stuff when there is a few people working on one thing)

3. Edits as recommended/pointed out by people in the comment thread. (think 2 in total, maybe 3)

4. Added the video overview of the proposal, which was done, so as to accommodate to people who prefer video over text.

Not sure if there were any more edits done.

Hope this answers that question, don't ever say I never did anything for ya.

Cheers mate.
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@ecoinstant ·
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Voted on this proposal.  I like that you gave a nice long 2 years because you know that it can take some time to get all the votes.  Very smart.

Also, I would be interested in that the people do not need to make a hive account to get their tips, just withdraw to bittrex/binance etc.  
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@jackmiller ·
$0.03
Hmmmm , will have to copy paste this comment into the notes we are taking down from people like yourself who are giving constructive feedback. 

I like the idea of not being "pushy". Subtle can sometimes be much more effective. Interesting thought.
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@tuck-fheman ·
> I like the idea of not being "pushy". 

lol
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@eddiespino ·
$0.05
Great proposal! I just started using HiveTips on Twitter again today and it works great. Some minor bugs when using a slow node, but I did a node benchmark on PeakD.com and I switched to the best one available and I was able to complete my tips.

The cooldowns are a bit long, but I believe they are to avoid spam, right? I had to do 5 tips today and it took a long time hehe, and if cancel the operation it gave me a cooldown anyway.

I hope this proposal is founded. I have already voted for it, I'm proxied to @aliento.
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@enginewitty ·
Correct. We have to approach the 'centralized world' cautiously and carefully as we introduce new things to them. We definitely do not want to be placed on a blacklist as spammers.
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@enginewitty ·
$0.02
#### Marketing:

<div class="text-justify">I would personally like to add that, coming from a marketer, the proposed professional budget is a very meager one. I could have easily created one that cost $250,000 for a single year alone. The truth of the matter is, we have to throw some serious money into making Hive great by marketing it beyond just our inner circles instead of constantly waiting and sitting on funds that are there for our disposal. OUR disposal. Everyone on Hive. This proposal has everyone in mind. What we do literally benefits everyone here as we feel fervently that the mass exposure will exponentially increase the adoption and userbase of Hive as a whole. So, we would love all of you to vote and approve this if you agree. Thank you.</div>
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@jackmiller · (edited)
For our crpytocurrencies to go "mainstream" then one has to face the facts and the facts are:

<center> https://www.ngpf.org/aaa-content/user/files/internet-minute-820.jpg?1573958976789 </center>

<center> [Source](https://www.ngpf.org/aaa-content/user/files/internet-minute-820.jpg?1573958976789) </center>

So we either take HIVE and HBD to the mainstream or we keep waiting for the mainstream to come to Hive.

Which will it be!

PS. Was leaving this for a post on the topic, but what better place to put it than on the topic that has reality looking the readers eye to eye (face to face).
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@enginewitty ·
$0.03
188 million emails holy shit. Some big numbers up there for only a minute. Seriously need to tap into that. Hope people can see what we're doing.
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@fbslo ·
I'm sorry, but $256k for a browser add-on?
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@currentxchange ·
Life should show you there's a lot less productive things to spend a quarter mill on!!

## Looks like something valuable from here!
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@jackmiller · (edited)
Where does it say that it stops at that?

& no, it isn't $256K for just a browser extension, read the proposal, maybe you will see what every single cent is for.
With full backing up of all costs and proof of pricing.

However, you are entitled to an opinion, even if every single fact stated is backed with cold hard proof and justification.

PS. "Tokenizing the internet" means that we tokenize the internet and people have been known to use browsers to surf the internet. 

You can't tokenize the internet without the utilization of the tools that people have for surfing the net and using the sites that they use.

Cheers.
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@fbslo ·
> “Is the amount of HBD requested the same as the amount described?”

![slika.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmSrJMLVdtLvMZ9eU1YZSufxetL8g8S2YAbUk8WHeaKWtv/slika.png)

It says your proposal is for 1.46M HBD, almost 6x more.

<sup>P.S. You should add tl;dr</sup>
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@lightproject ·
You clearly did not read the proposal, did you?
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@felt.buzz ·
$0.03
Happy to support this. I thought it was a great idea when you released it and my view hasn't changed! This is an excellent report too.
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@enginewitty ·
Thank you Bruce, took a bit to compile all the necessary info and find time for everyone to sit down together and go over it. 
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@forykw ·
$0.05
Post is huge man! But describes and justifies very well the proposal. I am sure it will quickly run into more support.

Still testing since yesterday, and also feel how huge this will soon become.
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@enginewitty ·
Thank you for the support and confidence!
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@forykw ·
$0.03
Hi folks, sorry to unvote this... at least until I see the benefit I had imagined 2 months ago. Something is not quite working... or this bit is not working:

> Marketing: $7,000.00 + 24 month advertising plan $61,150

Don't wanna doom all the work done so far, because it was indeed something that made the news and spread the word of #HIVE around, added by all the investment done so far.

And, I still love the idea, but to be honest, would have thought it would take off faster in terms of impact. It's unfortunate, but you guys need to pause and rethink the project (my view).

A couple of ideas/suggestions to help get traction:
- Stop the advertising to reduce costs (I don't real evidence that it's being effective, not at this stage).
- Change the current full long term costed model to "a maintenance support model" per activity, which both alleviates the proposal costs by distributing them via the tips being issued. I know that would not make tipping free, but I think it would be better viewed and would support the cause long term way better for you guys.
- More updates on a "for the purpose" account - it gets confusing to read news about the project when all is mixed with other posts on the @fullalt account.
- Reach out for more participation from the developers already in the community (there might be someone out there whiling to help for a much cheaper price). This one requires sharing some of the code of course.

Another detail I would like to highlight here is how the proposal updates are being done and the controversy of trying to lock investment as soon as possible to something that the DHF does not allow yet to do. Which could be a merge request to the code.

And to be honest, all of this would have been solved by more programmability. Something within the lines of the SMTs, but maybe here is simpler to implement. All it needs is a soft and hard caps. If hitting the soft caps, then it means there is enough for the investment to be put to "useful" use, if not, then the strategy would need to be re-thinked. For last a hard cap, to automatically say "that's it, no need for more". This would solve the problem you guys are having with trying to lock investment for this project and would be visible by anyone as a trustless function of the blockchain (if implemented of course).

Will try to follow the developments and comment as I can. I would love to see this finish the success line.
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@foxon ·
Is there any reporting already available to show the number of accounts claiming their tips vs tips refunded. How about age of Hive accounts claiming the tips? Pretty easy way to prove the value and wouldn't be hard to make
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@frankbacon ·
HIVE.D!


![HIVE In Vertical Energy @barge.jpeg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmXyNeT3tGk4iitAaN6J2zJRSoKYt1ZYApaRAafYoGAuoa/HIVE%20In%20Vertical%20Energy%20@barge.jpeg)
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@ganjafarmer ·
$0.03
Absolutely killer way to put us on the map and get more people interested.

here is a share and definitely I am excited to see this become a reality
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@fullalt ·
As are we! Thank you for the support!
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@ganjafarmer ·
Thank you
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@gentleshaid ·
$0.04
This is the kind of proposal I've been waiting to see on hive. Let's give this our push. 
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@jackmiller ·
I'm finding that most of the people who have come to me with the question of "Where? or How? to vote on the proposal, seem to find this link via Hivesigner as a quick and easy way to vote for the proposal:

https://hivesigner.com/sign/update-proposal-votes?proposal_ids=%5B128%5D&approve=true

Thanks for the support.

Hive is Alive!
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@hetty-rowan ·
Voted for this excellent proposal. It will bring so much more value and visibility to hive. 
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@fullalt ·
Yes! We fully believe this as well, thank you!
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@hiveqa ·
$0.06
I shall be voting on this. You've done an awesome job!
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@enginewitty ·
Most appreciated and thank you!😎
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@lordbutterfly · (edited)
$0.03
Guys cmon. Seriously cmon. A tipping extension for 2000 USD per day. 1.5 million USD for 2 years. You know what you can do with 1.5 mil in 2 years for HIVE? Jesus Christ.

This is like a pet project, a insignificant little addition to HIVE. Its cute. Its like 20 HBD a day type of project. Its a non-inovative addition from 2012. 

You think someone will waste their time to pick up 1-2 HIVE someone sends them in a twitter thread or will click a unknown gmail link? 
I know its legit when i get a hivetips tweet but even to me it looks scammy. 

Im not saying HiveTips are bad for Hive, its a cute addition, but you guys are completely out of touch. 

This proposal is so absurdly idiotic that i cant even get mad. Netouso, Justine pissed me off but this... this is just insanity. 
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@nathanmars ·
$0.10
Voted on the Proposal. 

Hive Tips will bring huge value to our HIVE
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@enginewitty ·
Thank you Since you are proxied to @theycallmedan,...
Thank you! Since you are proxied to @theycallmedan, maybe you could convince him to put both your okays on it😎

 Posted using [Dapplr](https://app.dapplr.in/aNy35d88imVyTzYn8)
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@nathanmars ·
I’m sure he will see this :)
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@nickyhavey ·
$0.03
Great proposal and professionally put together, love the concept of integrating with existing social media sites - gets my vote! 
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@enginewitty ·
Awesomeness. It will definitely put Hive in front of so many faces, it will be virtually impossible to ignore.
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@nickyhavey ·
Sounds very promising mate, keep it up! 
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@poshbot ·
https://twitter.com/LAMBDF/status/1304775723475968001
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@poshbot ·
https://twitter.com/hiro_hive/status/1305852617415782401
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@poshbot ·
https://twitter.com/Ambigui43820977/status/1308070990442831872
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@poshbot ·
https://twitter.com/LAMBDF/status/1321823472566284288
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@roomservice ·
$3.49
For this amount of funding I would expect a way more innovative approach like:
- native integration into Brave Browser for adding a wide audience of new user or
- adding those HIVE support and tipping feature into Meta Mask extension

Comparing this with funding of dapplr and what I've seen what was delivered so far from both - the funds requested are way off!
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@fullalt · (edited)
> native integration into Brave Browser for adding a wide audience of new user or

Brave is a Chromium based browser and as such - is already up and running.

> adding those HIVE support and tipping feature into Meta Mask extension

Isn't Meta Mask primarily for ETH based tokens? I believe there is a custom addition where anyone that wants to add a token can to their wallet and since there is wHIVE now, perhaps that can go in there - if you want to pay for the gas.

@dapplr is great, no doubt about it. I (@enginewitty) was voting for their proposal before any of the big whales came and pushed it into the spotlight. I am also curious to see what kind of professional marketing they have in mind on only 30 HBD a day. In my mind, they did it right. They came with a fairly finished product and asked for a little bit of help. They got it. We're asking for major funding that takes up less than half of what is available. Is there a sufficient reason not to approve #hivetips based on that alone? To save it for what? Is there a $4000 HBD a day or a total of that in combined proposals that are coming up the pipeline for something that is fantastic? Why not vote now, and when those present themselves, feel free to remove your vote and place it elsewhere. You can vote on all the proposals if you like. Or none. It costs you nothing either way. It costs you nothing to advance Hive. It costs us all a lot to sit on idle hands.
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@jackmiller ·
Read the proposal, it is all spelled out.

But then again, some have seen a figure and not read anything without a $ figure in their trail of thoughts.

Who has to date tackled Gmail, Youtube (Google), Twitter?

You dare compare brave or Meta Mask to those giants of the internet!

Really.
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@jackmiller · (edited)
You really wish to compare Youtube, Gmail and Twitter with Brave browser and Meta Mask?

OK!

idk, but I highly doubt anyone else out there would put them anywhere close on any scale/comparison. But OK, if you think they are, who am I to judge your personal opinions.
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@roomservice ·
$1.99
> You really wish to compare Youtube, Gmail and Twitter with Brave browser and Meta Mask?

No not at all.

I'am comparing the distribution of existing Crypto Extensions to your current product.

MetaMask: 1,000,000+ User
Brave Browser (Ships with build-in Crypto Wallets): 15,000,000+ active User
Hivetips: 165 User

So from my point of view it makes way more sense to extend those open source products with Hive Wallet/Tipping features than putting more efforts into Hivetips extension. You could build the best product in the world but all your efforts will fail because of lack of mass adaption.

While extending existing products, which are already are widely used around the world, you won't even need a marketing budget, since people will start using those features in the moment they discover it when an updates comes in.
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@snook ·
$0.05
Once the 256k has been received...in whatever time frame that would be, the proposal will then be deleted.

The highlighted sentence is where this is stated.

I hope this clears up any questions.


![pro.JPG](https://images.hive.blog/DQmWB3Pa2EP9zDgC6p4PNS8vUQzhbkJAoEMZsgN14hVvSaQ/pro.JPG)
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@tipu ·
&#127873; Hi @fullalt! You have received 0.109 HIVE tip from @amico!<br><p><strong>Check out <a href=https://www.steempeak.com/@amico>@amico blog here</a> and follow if you like the content :)</strong></p><p><a href="https://peakd.com/steemit/@tipu/tipu-tips-guide" rel="noopener">Sending tips with @tipU - how to guide.</a></p>
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@underground ·
$0.06
# THIS IS BY FAR the best proposal I have ever seen...
Greater potential for growing this platform than anything else laid out to date! PERIOD!!!
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@fullalt ·
Appreciate the confidence and thank you!
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@veteranforcrypto ·
$0.03
Got My support Brother Now and Always this definitely needs to be a thing! Reblogged!

<center>https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/veteranforcrypto/I7H8mq23-VFCwitness.gif</center><center><sub>**Designed By fellow Veteran @derangedvisions for the Witness!**</sub></center>
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@fullalt ·
Awesome, most appreciated!
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@wesphilbin ·
$0.03
Gave it my vote of course, with a reblog to spread the positive energy  !tip

<center>![akrw8oO7AltYes.gif](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/wesphilbin/aSnK2Fno-akrw8oO7-AltYes.gif)</center><center><sub>GIF created by @suheri</sub></center>

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@enginewitty ·
Most appreciated Wes!
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@tipu ·
Sorry, the tip is higher than your deposit.<br>You can check your deposit by sending 0.001 HBD to @tipu with memo: status<br>(the minimal tip is 0.1 HBD/HIVE)
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