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My Pledge Going Forward: ZERO Self-Votes! by gadrian

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· @gadrian · (edited)
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My Pledge Going Forward: ZERO Self-Votes!
Self-votes are an issue on this platform, but there are various nuances we can think of.

It's one thing if you upvote mainly yourself, it's another if a low percent of your total upvotes' value goes to you.

It's one thing is if you are a whale who can influence the reward pool drastically, and another if you are a plankton or a minnow.

It's one thing if you have delegations to run a service, which return profit to delegators (bidbot, for example) and self-vote, it's another if you run a community account with delegations, which will upvote members' posts based on certain criteria, and which also upvotes posts created on the community account.

And I think we can find more such distinctions.

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Since I started on Steemit, I upvoted my own posts, but have not upvoted my own comments. I know people who do the vice-versa, not upvoting their posts, but regularly upvoting their comments (at least for visibility). And, of course, there are those who do both.

I think none of these practices are bad if
* *they don't have a high influence on the rewards pool or the posts rewards toward the end of voting period*
* *the percent of upvotes' value that goes to the community is much higher than that of the self-votes*
* *they don't self-vote using delegated Steem power which is expected to have a return on investment (bid bot style)*

But something not being bad doesn't make it best either.

For example, if I start with the habit of upvoting my posts when I'm a minnow, I will probably continue the same practice as a dolphin or, to dream with the eyes open, as a whale.

Now, my 5-10 cents upvotes are not really so impactful (not even to myself) as full dolphin, but mostly whale upvotes.

So, it's better to cut it while it's green. :)

In fact, the rationalization for my self-votes don't really stand at closer scrutiny. I thought they are a way to say I value my own time (to write the posts). But if that's the value I put on my time spent to write these posts, then why should I expect more from anyone else, ever?

**So, I made the decision to _STOP upvoting my posts_, and _continue not to upvote my own comments_ (maybe I'll make an exception on this when visibility is important).**

*I will continue to upvote all non-spam comments on my posts.*

Going forward, roughly 10% that were my self-votes will be directed toward the community, which will get 100% instead of 90%. Will it make a difference? Probably not much of a reward-wise influence for the community, but at least I won't have this to hold against myself if I will ever doubt my involvement.

Steem on!
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@jongolson ·
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Yeah I've never voted my comments, that seems weird and self serving. But upvoting my own posts I've been doing since day one. 

Now if I just sat back, never upvoted other peoples posts or comments, I can see an issue with self voting. But I spread it around as much as I can :)

To each their own, but if self voting was an issue I think they would have not allowed for people to do that in the code?
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@gadrian ·
Well, I guess we've taken similar approaches with self-voting until now.

In some cases, self-voting would be bad. Imagine any of the accounts of Steemit Inc. (or personal accounts of Ned and staff) self-voting. They rarely upvote, as far as I know, but a self-vote from them is almost unimaginable.

As always, there are abusers, and they will take this freedom to self-vote to the extreme. And they will continuously find new ways to game a system, if that's their plan.

When done with moderation and especially by small players with little influence on the reward pool, trending page and so on, I don't think there's an issue with self-voting.

It's more a situation of personal choice. As I said in the post, it might be more difficult to change my mind later on, when my vote worth would be higher, than now, when it's only a few cents.
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@gadrian ·
Well, I guess we've taken similar approaches with self-voting until now.

In some cases, self-voting would be bad. Imagine any of the accounts of Steemit Inc. (or personal accounts of Ned and staff) self-voting. They rarely upvote, as far as I know, but a self-vote from them is almost unimaginable.

As always, there are abusers, and they will take this freedom to self-vote to the extreme. And they will continuously find new ways to game a system, if that's their plan.

When done with moderation and especially by small players with little influence on the reward pool, trending page and so on, I don't think there's an issue with self-voting.

It's more a situation of personal choice. As I said in the post, it might be more difficult to change my mind later on, when my vote worth would be higher, than now, when it's only a few cents.
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@jongolson ·
Dude if my account ever got that big, I would love to have that personal problem LOL To self vote or not! lol
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@minnowsupport ·
<p>Congratulations!  This post has been upvoted from the communal account, @minnowsupport, by gadrian from the Minnow Support Project. It's a witness project run by aggroed, ausbitbank, teamsteem, theprophet0, someguy123, neoxian, followbtcnews, and netuoso. The goal is to help Steemit grow by supporting Minnows.  Please find us at the <a href="https://discord.gg/HYj4yvw"> Peace, Abundance, and Liberty Network (PALnet) Discord Channel</a>.  It's a completely public and open space to all members of the Steemit community who voluntarily choose to be there.</p> <p>If you would like to delegate to the Minnow Support Project you can do so by clicking on the following links: <a href="https://v2.steemconnect.com/sign/delegateVestingShares?delegator=&amp;delegatee=minnowsupport&amp;vesting_shares=102530.639667%20VESTS">50SP</a>, <a href="https://v2.steemconnect.com/sign/delegateVestingShares?delegator=&amp;delegatee=minnowsupport&amp;vesting_shares=205303.639667%20VESTS">100SP</a>, <a href="https://v2.steemconnect.com/sign/delegateVestingShares?delegator=&amp;delegatee=minnowsupport&amp;vesting_shares=514303.639667%20VESTS">250SP</a>, <a href="https://v2.steemconnect.com/sign/delegateVestingShares?delegator=&amp;delegatee=minnowsupport&amp;vesting_shares=1025303.639667%20VESTS">500SP</a>, <a href="https://v2.steemconnect.com/sign/delegateVestingShares?delegator=&amp;delegatee=minnowsupport&amp;vesting_shares=2053030.639667%20VESTS">1000SP</a>, <a href="https://v2.steemconnect.com/sign/delegateVestingShares?delegator=&amp;delegatee=minnowsupport&amp;vesting_shares=10253030.639667%20VESTS">5000SP</a>. <br><strong>Be sure to leave at least 50SP undelegated on your account.</strong></p>
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@obest ·
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I believe self voting your content that you spent valuable time and resources to write is not a bad idea becauae it is just a way of rewarding your hardwork and bring your post to spotlight for others to see, but self voting your comments regularly is what I frown at especially those minnow, dolphin and whales. Because the have more influence in the reward pool and which will drain the pool rewards to a certain fortunate few individuals @gadrain
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@gadrian ·
Well, yes that is roughly 10% of my total upvotes, apparently. Not a huge amount, and that was my justification too, that it's a way to value my time spent writing the post, but  on one side a few cents (or even a few dollars) is hardly a value I could find satisfactory in terms of value of time, on the other hand, why not return everything to the community and let them be more objective judges.

In the end, I'm more of a long distance runner than a sprinter, so I'll be the judge of this time spent writing for a dollar or less maybe a year, maybe few years into the future.
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