RC, HP and BEE Delegation Leasing Came to Hive-Engine by gadrian

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hive-167922 · @gadrian · Nov 22 '22

$4.46

RC, HP and BEE Delegation Leasing Came to Hive-Engine

Aggroed wrote a short post yesterday [announcing the arrival of delegation leasing on Hive-Engine](https://peakd.com/hive-engine/@aggroed/hive-engine-launches-delegation-leasing-rc-and-hp).

We already had the possibility to lease [HP](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-hive-power-hp) via [dlease](https://hive.dlease.io/), but I'm not sure how involved the team behind it is at this point in the [Hive](https://leofinance.io/@crypto-guides/what-is-hive-crypto-hive) ecosystem. Also under their umbrella is the Gina discord notifications bot which never came back after [hard forks](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-hard-fork) 26/27. Of course, Gina was free to use and [cost](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-cost) resources to maintain, dlease produces some [revenue](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-revenue) through fees.

But let's get back to Hive-Engine because they added more options besides leasing HP.

### Leasing RC Delegations

The Hive-Engine team introduced the first [delegation](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-delegation-hive) leasing [market](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-market) for [resource credits](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-resource-credits-rc)! While as I write, there seems to be little interest in it, this will not always be the case.

To be honest, I would expect big projects to get involved with the RC delegation lease market right away. It doesn't matter that the influx of new users during this brutal [bear market](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-bear-market) is minimal. One should think in perspective.

And there are huge amounts of RCs sitting and doing nothing. I'm claiming [account](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-account) tokens with them, but let's be honest: I don't need those [tokens](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-token)! They do.

A big project on Hive with high onboarding perspectives when the [FUD](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-fear-uncertainty-doubt-fud) ends and the [bulls](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-bull-market) return could use as many account tokens as they can get their hands on, especially since they are not [tradable](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-trade).

So a decent [APR](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-annual-percentage-return-apr) for leasing RC delegations could convince me and others to lease them instead of "burning through them" with almost no real benefit since I will unlikely use hundreds of account creation tokens myself.

### Leasing HP Delegations

Unsurprisingly, this is the most popular feature already.

![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmVBXfEuPjbx7j24RujGSwHmFkyDBcfZG4kVy4iq3aUFiy/image.png)

The APRs are about 4% lower than on dlease when I checked.

One difference compared to dlease is that dlease returns are in [HIVE](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-usdhive), while on [Hive-Engine](https://hive-engine.com/lease), the returns are distributed as SWAP.HIVE (of another selected [currency](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-currency) - see below).

### Leasing BEE Delegations

People holding BEE tokens were almost screaming for more utility for them. Well, here it is. And those who [staked](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-staking) them and haven't [sold](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-sell) them (unlike me), should be happy to see there are some decent returns already for them: 5-6% APR. Although not very much interest yet.

### Currencies

Returns can be paid in one of the following currencies:
* SWAP.HIVE
* [SPS](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-splintershards-sps)
* BEE
* [DEC](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-dark-energy-crystal-dec)

and they are selected when someone requests a lease. I made a test too to see a different currency than SWAP.HIVE. That's a lost 1 BEE probably since it's very unlikely to get filled, lol. But it was a test. Frankly, I thought I could cancel it afterwards.
 
![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmVDyu2ZrjHi28VhYgGAospe4DQWoQ7c8JoSPX9YcN3qnz/image.png)

### Ending Words

It's great to see the new addition to Hive-Engine. I'm wondering if that'll make its way to TribalDex too or not, but Hive-Engine is fine. Great to see the first implementation of leasing RC delegations and hoping it'll get some traction.

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@beststart · Nov 22 '22

$0.04

RE: RC, HP and BEE Delegation Leasing Came to Hive-Engine

Leasing out RC would be really nice. I had not really paid much attention to my RC over the past few months until the latest fork.
I have delegated some already, and it hardly put a dent in my total RC.
Getting compensated for it makes it extra special.

!CTP

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👍 gadrian

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@gadrian · Nov 23 '22

Yep, I love seeing RC delegation leasing already. It will slowly become very popular, I'm sure of it.

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@ctrpch · Nov 22 '22

$0.04

How much HP do you need to have before you can claim an account creation token?

👍 gadrian

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@gadrian · Nov 22 '22

Not sure, it fluctuates. At one point it was about a dolphin-size account, minimum.

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@quinnertronics · Nov 23 '22

RE: RE: RC, HP and BEE Delegation Leasing Came to Hive-Engine

I have about 3500 hive power and can claim an account every few days...if that helps!

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@forexbrokr · Nov 22 '22

$0.04

RE: RC, HP and BEE Delegation Leasing Came to Hive-Engine

I'm just happy to see that we're putting the processes in place before a killer dApp needs them for sign ups.

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👍 gadrian

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@gadrian · Nov 22 '22

Releasing it during this bear market before the onboarding starts picking up was a great move.

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@ijat · Nov 22 '22

$0.04

I had someone looking to turn their excess RC in an income stream just the other day. 
!PIZZA

👍 gadrian

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@gadrian · Nov 22 '22

Well, if there will be demand, we'll be able to do that.

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@jfang003 · Nov 23 '22

$0.04

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It's nice to see the changes but I don't see that many people using the platform. If it does work out, I don't mind leasing out some of my power but I just don't see myself doing it much. I'm going to be starting a rental bot soon and I claimed my first account creation token yesterday. 

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@jfang003/re-gadrian-2cblrg)

👍 gadrian

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@gadrian · Nov 23 '22

>  I'm going to be starting a rental bot soon

What kind of bot will that be? What will it do?

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@jfang003 · Nov 23 '22

RE: RE: RC, HP and BEE Delegation Leasing Came to Hive-Engine

I mistyped. I meant that I would be using a rental bot soon so my RCs would be used there.

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@jfang003/re-gadrian-58bsq9)

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@pizzabot · May 2 '23 (edited)

RE: RC, HP and BEE Delegation Leasing Came to Hive-Engine

<center>PIZZA!


$PIZZA slices delivered:
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@rcaine · Nov 22 '22

RE: RC, HP and BEE Delegation Leasing Came to Hive-Engine

Thanks for the information.

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@rcaine/re-gadrian-2motkq)

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@rzc24-nftbbg · Nov 22 '22

$0.04

RE: RC, HP and BEE Delegation Leasing Came to Hive-Engine

Thanks for this update. I will check it. 

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@rzc24-nftbbg/re-gadrian-djell)

👍 gadrian

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@gadrian · Nov 22 '22

Sure RZC, do that when you have time.

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@rzc24-nftbbg · Nov 22 '22

😊

!CTP

👍 savvytester

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@slhp · Nov 22 '22

$0.04

RC delegation will be very powerful when HIVE matures and when applications demand more resources.

👍 gadrian, yibbiy

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@gadrian · Nov 23 '22

I think we are already close at that point. Just remember what happened with Splinterlands when they started growing immensely last fall. They ran out of account tokens, they started using other services' tokens for a short while, and then they had to pay for creating new accounts.

This can happen to any project at any time. Maybe not right now in the bear market, but usually any amount of account tokens one thinks is enough will be insufficient when that happens.

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@stdd · Nov 22 '22

$0.04

Great news! It will be interesting to see how much this will be in demand in the future or in a bull market!
!CTP

👍 gadrian

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@gadrian · Nov 22 '22 (edited)

In the bull market, I'm almost sure it'll be in demand. But for account creation tokens, amassing as many of them as possible should be a continuous process, and taking advantage of the bear market to get more of them possibly cheaper seems like a great strategy (I'm talking about projects here, not about regular folks).

👍 stdd

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@stdd · Nov 22 '22

Got it! 💪

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@tobetada · Nov 22 '22

$0.04

yeah seems like a great addition; I think account tokens will be worth at least $1-$2 in the future, so the RC cost of claiming one should have an equivalent APR

👍 gadrian

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@gadrian · Nov 22 '22

> I think account tokens will be worth at least $1-$2 in the future

The only way they'll have a price would be if a change will be made so that they become tradable. Otherwise, it's every account with its own account tokens. That has been discussed in the past and there doesn't seem much willingness to do that.

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@vaynard86 · Nov 22 '22

$0.04

RE: RC, HP and BEE Delegation Leasing Came to Hive-Engine

This is awesome! thanks for sharing!

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@vaynard86/re-gadrian-7bicqw)

👍 gadrian

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@gadrian · Nov 22 '22

You're welcome!

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@yibbiy · Nov 22 '22

$0.08

If you delegate using the hive-engine market, is there a cool down at the end of the lease?

👍 slhp, gadrian

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@gadrian · Nov 22 '22 (edited)

Yes. You still delegate HP and it still has the 5 days cooldown period. No cooldown for RC delegations though.

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@zealous4ever · Nov 22 '22

$0.04

It is really great that Hive Engine introduced this, because I am not a friend of complicated system or platform. Hive Engine is really simple to use for me, though I see people call it old school. 

In between, what is account token good for?

Thanks

👍 gadrian

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@gadrian · Nov 22 '22

Well, the interface was improved a bit, but this was their first attempt, thus maybe why old school. Now they have TribalDex which supports diesel pools and NftShowroom which supports a kind of NFTs specific to Hive-Engine.

About your question, account creation tokens allow someone holding them to create free accounts on Hive. Otherwise, the cost is 3 HIVE. Someone could use a service that facilitates the creation of a free account but that service consumes their own account creation token to do that.

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@zealous4ever · Nov 22 '22

Yeah, I like the Hive-engine the way they tried to improve it, but I think more could be done to bring it to the LEOdex level or even better. 

And thank you 😊 so much for explaining the importance of account creation token.

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