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The Only Massive Marketing Hive Needs Is Through Applications by gadrian

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· @gadrian ·
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The Only Massive Marketing Hive Needs Is Through Applications
How should marketing be done for [Hive](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-what-is-hive) has been a recurring theme of discussion for a long time.

A few posts I've seen recently reminded me of that.

### Hive Blockchain Features in the Back-End

It looks like many of us converge on the idea that Hive as a whole doesn't need marketing. On each particular niche, [applications](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-application) should promote *__themselves__,* and by doing that, Hive would come up as their choice to build their app on for:
* its [quasi-feeless and fast](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-fast-and-fee-less-hive) [transactions](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-transaction), now with [one-block irreversibility](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-one-block-irreversibility-hive) too
* its already-established community
* being the "source of truth" for the [digital assets](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-digital-assets) and transactions of its users ([immutability](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-immutable) has the invaluable benefit of providing incontestable proof-of-ownership and transaction history on a [decentralized](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-decentralization) [blockchain](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/blockchain))
* its [account](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-account) management system
* a significant degree of decentralization of the [first layer](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-base-layer-blockchain)
* its dual-token [tokenomics](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-tokenomics) *at the first layer,* one [token](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-token) [volatile](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-volatility) ([HIVE](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-usdhive)), the other bouncing around the 1 USD level ([HBD](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-hive-backed-dollar-hbd)), with good failsafe mechanisms that have been tested over time
* its in-built system to [recover accounts](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-account-recovery-system-hive) (which were hacked or the last owner private key was lost)
* etc.

But none of these features needs to be mentioned **directly** unless the discussion is about blockchains and their capabilities or one of their features.

### Censorship Resistance

For example, [censorship resistance](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-censorship-resistance-blockchain) is something Hive is good at. But that's mostly useful if people understand how to use it if it comes down to it. 

Regular people, if you start explaining to them what that really means, that's not convincing. Because to them, once their regular front-end bans them, it seems like the end of the world. And that is still possible on Hive. The resistance is only at the blockchain level and can be taken advantage of by using other front-ends, from different jurisdictions, that didn't ban you. Or building your own front-end, which 99.9% of users wouldn't.

![appg0b282ac20_1280.jpg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmYHV1PmMuKjdFN2vkBCWyG9p861TD4MTvS1Hqp8MgejR2/app-g0b282ac20_1280.jpg)
[Source](https://pixabay.com/illustrations/app-software-contour-settings-1013616/)

But, in my opinion, most discussions that would attract users are not at the technical level or even for principles. They are based on specific use cases. And for that there are apps.

### Everything App

I know there is talk in the ecosystem about the "Everything App". I wonder if this is a direction Hive applications will excel at.

Twitter, yes, because they already have 400m users or whatever they have. They have a massive user base which they want to keep captive for almost everything they do online. That could work. And they have a huge development team, I imagine...

On Hive, the challenges are different, because we still need to grow a lot more from here before worrying about keeping everyone on the same app. Maybe it would work. I don't know. But it would require a massive push in development resources starting from a much lower user base. And an "Everything App" would probably be something more difficult to update, steer, and adapt. More massive and less agile.

### Apps Doing the Marketing

Moving forward, I believe that the main marketing effort on Hive should come from the apps.

Again, they don't need to promote Hive, they should focus on promoting themselves. That's what [Splinterlands](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/what-is-splinterlands) has done. That's what [Leofinance](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-what-is-leofinance) is doing, as far as I know.

Indirectly, Splinterlands promotes Hive where it matters. In their [whitepapers](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-white-paper), Hive is mentioned (here's a [sample](https://whitepaper.genesisleaguesports.com/hive-blockchain)). Whitepapers are often read by [investors](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-investor) (and sometimes, developers). Then, through their [weekly challenges](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-splinterlands-share-your-battle-weekly-challenge), they encourage people to become [content creators](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-content-creator) on Hive. I know for sure some players onboarded by Splinterlands expanded to other areas of Hive via [SplinterTalk](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-splintertalk-spt-token) or PeakD.

That's why I believe that instead of inviting someone to Hive, one should invite him or her to Leofinance, PeakD, Ecency, 3Speak, LikeTu, Splinterlands, Actifit, or any other app that suites the user's needs. Specific use cases, not something general and hard to explain!

One thing I also wanted to mention. In my opinion, marketing an app that is not ready for a wider audience is detrimental. The first impression will be bad, and that will be hard to change. Building up hype is ok, as long as hype will be justified when the launch date comes (or very soon after).



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@acesontop ·
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>Moving forward, I believe that the main marketing effort on Hive should come from the apps.

To some extent yes, but we still need some proper shilling in the media too. 
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@gadrian ·
I don't think shilling would do us much good. Although targeted marketing toward developers and potential business owners who want to start a crypto-business should have some impact.
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@adcreatordesign ·
RE: The Only Massive Marketing Hive Needs Is Through Applications
Thank you @gardrian.
This was an interesting article.
Yes some apps mentioning Hive would be helpful.
Barb 😊
!BBH
!CTP
!ALIVE

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@youarealive ·
@adcreatordesign, sorry! You need more $ALIVE to use this command.

The minimum requirement is 1000.0 ALIVE staked.

More $ALIVE is available from [Hive-Engine](https://hive-engine.com/?p=market&t=ALIVE) or [Tribaldex](https://tribaldex.com/trade/ALIVE)
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@alexvan ·
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RE: The Only Massive Marketing Hive Needs Is Through Applications
It needs easier onboarding, and then the app that is fool proof to use. So yes, we need the hype also.

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@gadrian ·
Yeah, our onboarding process is not suitable for very large communities joining. Splinterlands, in the end, found the solution to pay for creating Hive accounts, but only for those who bought spellbooks. So, they reduced their profits to create accounts for these users during the massive growth period. Nobody had enough account claim tokens to sustain such growth.
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@dagger212 ·
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RE: The Only Massive Marketing Hive Needs Is Through Applications
I agree, it's gotta be the dApps that bring in the users.  Otherwise the learning curve is too steep.  It would be one thing if we were in a bull run and people were actively searching for cryptos they could get into cheap.  There people are motivated.  But now?  During a bear market?  Most people have no interest in crypto at all, let alone doing *work* to get involved.  Just gotta keep building so that when that time comes, the dApps and Hive are ready to make that perfect first impression.

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@gadrian ·
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Even when we talk about the learning curve... People are using an app to learn things, right? What if the learning process is gamified? That's what people love and can't stop wanting to reach for the next level.

About the bull market, I wouldn't count much on people joining in because of it. Many are speculators or will turn missing in the next bear market. While they provide some temporary activity and price boosts, few are here to stay. While if someone joins because he or she finds an app interesting, and then grows to appreciate the community around it and what is being built, that forms stronger bonds.

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@dagger212 ·
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Gamifying it all is a great idea.  That's kind of what they're trying to do.  

I agree with what you're saying but I disagree about the bull market making a difference.  I joined because of a bull market.  Most people who have gotten into crypto have done so during those bull markets.  While many of them *do* wash out, there are plenty who stay.  So, like I said, while I agree that people joining because they like the app are more likely to become "stronger" users, the eyeballs that are brought to that app during a bull market are far more numerous.  It's a numbers game.  That's why it cost more to advertise at the Super Bowl than your local high school football game.  More eyeballs equals more sales, regardless of whether the demographics are perfect or not.
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@jfang003 ·
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RE: The Only Massive Marketing Hive Needs Is Through Applications
I agree. The apps are what we should be pushing to people and they will use the app so long as they want to use the features the application gives. It makes things a lot easier for people to get involved and I just find it easier to get people sold on just blogging alone.

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@gadrian ·
Exactly. Plus, what really means joining Hive? Creating an account? Then what? End users use apps, or their Hive account means **nothing** to them.
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@p1k4ppa10 ·
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I fully agree with you, bringing an unprepared audience closer would be harmful.

Taking advantage of apps, on the other hand, can be an excellent move, because we tend to bring people closer, according to their interests, to something that may interest them more than the general picture.
Surely later, when you are inside, you tend to inquire and increase your wide-ranging vision.
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@gadrian ·
Exactly. There was an expression: 'came for the rewards and stayed for the community'. This could very well extend to something like 'came for X app but discovered Y and Z apps too once inside'.
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@rzc24-nftbbg ·
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RE: The Only Massive Marketing Hive Needs Is Through Applications
> But, in my opinion, most discussions that would attract users are not at the technical level or even for principles. They are based on specific use cases.

From my personal experience, I came to know Hive while looking for an NFT blockchain-based game. 

> Again, they don't need to promote Hive, they should focus on promoting themselves. 

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@gadrian ·
> From my personal experience, I came to know Hive while looking for an NFT blockchain-based game.

Just curious, did you come across a list of top NFT games or individual sites, Splinterlands included?
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@rzc24-nftbbg ·
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No, I just asked our IT who happened to be playing Axie at that time. He recommended me several games like CryptoBlades, MyDefiPet, Splinterlands, and others. What drew me to Splinterlands is the affordable entry price of the Spellbook. Only later that I realized that the game operates on top of Hive. The IT who recommended Splinterlands to me doesn't know anything about it.
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@slhp ·
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HIVE has a very strong foundation.  Need a lot more users, many of the front end apps need serious polishing. 
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@gadrian ·
True to everything you said.
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@vaynard86 ·
Thanks for the information sharing. 
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@wanderingmoon ·
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Interesting read. I think you made some pretty valid points. I think after this I will change my strategy for hive advertising. 😁
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@gadrian · (edited)
At least that's the strategy to bring more end users. For onboarding app developers and business owners, a more nuanced approach may be useful.
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@whatsup ·
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RE: The Only Massive Marketing Hive Needs Is Through Applications
Marketing is a lot more than advertising.  People confuse the 2 words.  Advertising falls under the Marketing bucket in a specific category.  "Promotion".

It's a bit over simplified but Marketing tends to include the 4 Ps..

 product, price, place, and promotion.

And while that is over simplified it includes identifying your target market and making your product is .. attractive, affordable, somewhere it can be found, and that people know about it.

Most of the Apps want "End Users"...  And you are correct they are different for Splinterlands than for Leofinance.  (although there could be those who have shared interests between the two.)

This is a lot of words to get to my point which is simple and this..

Leofinance should be marketing to content creators and consumers, BUT Hive should definitely be Marketing, it's just their target audience is developers, pre-existing apps, Blockchain developers and more.

Hive SHOULD be marketing, but you are correct that it is unlikely they should be marketing to end users.

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@gadrian ·
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Thanks for making the necessary clarifications!

The interesting fact is that I initially used "promotion" instead of "marketing". But by extending the scope with the second term, I agree, things aren't reduced to advertising.
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@whatsup ·
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Yeah, I understood what you meant, but I used so many words that I diluted my message, which is..

What is Hive doing to attract application developers and why don't we spend some money on that in any number of ways..  Kick backs, support, assistance, financial bonuses.. etc.

More apps, more apps more apps, that should be Hive's focus in my opinion, while the apps should focus on End Users.

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@yibbiy ·
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Splinterlands also allow login using Metamask. I haven’t tried.  If a player uses Metamask, do they still need a HIVE account? 
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@gadrian ·
They also allow logging in with a password. Currently, they only create a Hive account for users who buy a spellbook. In the past, they created it for everyone.
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