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What to Focus On? HIVE Power or HBD in Savings? by gadrian

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· @gadrian ·
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What to Focus On? HIVE Power or HBD in Savings?
That's the million-dollar question. Nah, the question may be important, but the answer to this question isn't worth a million dollars unless you have millions to invest already, in which case you'd better not search for the important answers in blog posts like this one. I am just a guy expressing opinions, not offering financial advice to anyone.

Speaking of a million dollars, I know someone who sometimes says "I wouldn't do this or that now, even if someone gave me one million dollars", where "this or that" are some mundane chores that nobody likes, but in the end, most people do or have others do the chores for them. Now, the dollar isn't what it used to be, but still, for one million dollars very few people in the world would refuse to do those chores, and I sometimes like to joke about that with that person. Of course, the next day or soon after, that person does the same chores, and for free (sort of).

But let's get back to our question. [HIVE Power](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-hive-power-hp) or [HBD](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-hive-backed-dollar-hbd) in [savings](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-savings-account-hive)? What to focus on?

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*Image from [this post](https://peakd.com/hive/@hiveio/hf27-is-coming-on-october-24th-some-slight-additional-evolution-needed).*

I'll give you two answers. One general, and one from the personal perspective.

## General Answer / Situations

The general answer is: It depends.

Let's expand on that. The answer depends on what you are looking for, and what motivates you.

* Do you want to help build [Web3](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-web-3-0)? If you understand this takes time, and it takes 13 weeks to power down completely, HIVE Power is the way.

* Are you unwilling to lock assets for a long time? Then HBD in savings is for you, with its 3 days unlocking period and 20% [APR](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-annual-percentage-return-apr) (at the time of writing).

* Are you interested in strategically building a stake in a "business" ([Hive](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-what-is-hive) base layer) that potentially will have a bright future? Then HIVE Power is the answer. But you have to have a long-term approach and assume the risk that it may not take off as you expect.

* Do you prefer an [asset](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-digital-assets) that is loosely pegged to USD, instead of a volatile one, like HIVE? Then HBD is for you.

* Do you want to shape the future of Hive? Then HIVE Power is for you.

* Do you prefer [bonds](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-bond) (less risk) over [stocks](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-stocks) (more risk)? Then HBD in savings is for you.

* Do you want to participate in the [governance](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-decentralized-governance) on Hive, voting proposals on the DHF, and curating content for HIVE rewards? Then, HIVE Power is for you.

* Do you want a stable-ish coin without [centralization](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-centralization) risks (but with its own failsafe mechanisms which you should learn about)? HBD is your answer.

* Do you want to play games on Hive? You need neither HIVE Power nor HBD for that, you need [resource credits](https://leofinance.io/@leoglossary/leoglossary-resource-credits-rc) (HIVE Power gives you resource credits though, but you can receive resource credits separately)

## Personal Perspective

From my personal perspective, my multi-year goal is to grow my HIVE Power. It makes sense for pretty much all of the reasons I described above.

Plus, if the Hive ecosystem grows, that will be reflected over time in the value of HIVE. If things "explode", the rate of growth would be many times more than the 20% APR offered to HBD in savings.

That being said, I also add HBD to savings. But I also withdraw from savings depending on opportunities.

Switching focus from HIVE Power to HBD and backwards also depends on the price of HIVE (will most likely switch to HBD entirely when HIVE will be above 1$).

I can see the possibility in the future after I'll reach, let's say 100k HP, to focus more on HBD. But it's still a long way to go until then. Before that time comes, I don't see myself setting a fixed goal for HBD in savings.

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@achim03 ·
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Nice post, I have been building my Hive and HBD stocks in parallel over time. However, for me the priority is Hive Power. Why? Because Hive Power gives you power. It gives you a return on curation and staking rewards but also it allows you to give value to people and content that you want. Like that I can participate into deciding where the inflation of hive is going. If I use my stake to favorise the people in my wider circle of influence, then I will indirectly also profit from their growth. 

HBD is a savings account and I like the 20% apr but I don't expect it to be this rate for ever. When people see a big swapping from HBD to Hive during price drops, this means only that people want to have Hive in the first place and they like the fact that you can have it for cheap. So it's a good sign. If people would be scared that hive goes down, they would keep the HBD...
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@gadrian ·
That's a very healthy way to think about it, both at a personal level and for the broader ecosystem.

I agree with your opinion regarding the reason why people are swapping from HBD to Hive. It's because they want more Hive when it has a lower price. In the end, when things go sideways most of the time, any volatility can be a good way to either take some profit or buy some more HIVE, if you have liquidities.
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@adcreatordesign ·
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RE: What to Focus On? HIVE Power or HBD in Savings?
Hi @gadrian
This was a good article on explaining the different areas of HIVE.  Thank you and it helps me to understand more how Hive works.
Barb šŸ˜Š
!BBH
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@gadrian ·
I'm glad it was helpful.
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@adcreatordesign ·
Yes thanks again @gadrian 
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@beststart ·
RE: What to Focus On? HIVE Power or HBD in Savings?
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to put a million dollars into HBD savings?šŸ˜ƒ

But back to earth and reality.
I like the way you laid out the pros and cons.

I, too, want to increase my Hive Power, as it would enable me to give out greater rewards and delegate more.

I guess, at this point, I am doing some of each.

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@bigtakosensei ·
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RE: What to Focus On? HIVE Power or HBD in Savings?
I'm with you here. It's all about timing and the price of Hive. I just like that Hive is set up the way it os tp give us these options. 

Hive is king on this platform for sure. I kind of look at it as the chicken comes before the egg meaning I need Hive to get HBD. But Hopefully, we see Hive explode in this next cycle though. I think people are wanting something real in web3...

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@gadrian ·
> I kind of look at it as the chicken comes before the egg meaning I need Hive to get HBD.

Not necessarily. The HBD author rewards can play a role too, and you don't need HIVE to get those. Plus, you can get HBD with other tokens, both on Hive-Engine, or somewhere where HBD or one of its derivatives are listed.
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@djbravo ·
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Right now my biggest effort is to do as much of my Hp as possible within this year. There is no job here in Pakistan so I go to cash my HbD. If there is a job arrangement here then I will power up my HBD too. 
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@gadrian ·
I like your plan and I hope you succeed with it, including in getting a job.
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@fiberfrau ·
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RE: What to Focus On? HIVE Power or HBD in Savings?
Good explanations. !BEER

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@gadrian ·
Thanks, Kimberly.
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@itwithsm ·
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I think 50/50 is the best option from my point of view. Put half in HBD savings and put half in hive power.  
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@gadrian ·
That's certainly the easiest to manage. And you'll have both HP and HBD liquidities in savings on a 3-day lock period.
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@jfang003 ·
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RE: What to Focus On? HIVE Power or HBD in Savings?
I don't see any problem with doing both. I like the stability that HBD gives and my HP will also go up as well. I find it much easier to just do both.

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@gadrian ·
Yep, I also do both, and I know most people do both. But I also focus more on HP at this time.
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@kenechukwu97 ·
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Nice. Your approach to this is wholesome and it always depends on what we want to get by the end of the day.

I will always pick Hive Power at every given opportunity, but I'm preparing to remember my annual rent on first week of June. Just for that reason, I've been trying to accumulate some HBD in savings for that same purpose. Hehe.

Both HBD and Hive Power are unique in their own way.
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@gadrian ·
I also consider HIVE Power more important now, both personally, and at the chain level to ensure a middle class is growing on Hive.

HBD definitely has its role, and while someone could focus entirely on HBD, that to me shows little confidence in the future of Hive or involvement in building/securing it.
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@mypathtofire ·
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Those are some good things to consider. I would like to rebalance my holdings when hive goes higher, but giving up benefits of HP is hard, regardless of the price.
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@gadrian ·
Well, that may be a smart thing to do after we get well into the bull market.
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@nicklewis ·
This is a handy guide to which path or indeed paths to follow. Iā€™m much more interested in my HP goals but I do use HBD for smaller purchases or use it to discount them, to go toward the cost of something. 

HP is also great for delegating and in return you can accumulate liquid hive rewards, which can then be powered up or converted to HBD. 
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@pizzabot ·
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@princessbusayo ·
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RE: What to Focus On? HIVE Power or HBD in Savings?
Having Hive Power or HBD in savings really depends on the individual and what factors to consider. If you want to grow on the ecosystem, then Hive power will be the best option. Once we are in for the long term and do not mind the 13 weeks process of powering down, then we can choose Hive Power. But if we do want to have our tokens not being volatile to price, then, Hbd is good. Above all, it all depends on what we want. 

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@gadrian ·
Exactly. This is a personal decision and it depends on what we want, need, or where we are on our Hive journey.
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@relf87 ·
Hmm personally, I am sticking to the 50/50 split. Somehow it just feels like a good balance of both the benefits you mentioned for Hive and HBD. Thanks for sharing!
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@takhar ·
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This general approach to the question brings much clarity on which option to choose. For me, at this moment, it is accumulating Hive Power. I want to build stake. And there's a potential explosive growth to Hive. 
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@gadrian ·
I believe the most important aspect is to believe in what's being built and that it has a future.
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@vaynard86 ·
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Nice and comprehensive sharing!
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@gadrian ·
Thanks.
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@yintercept ·
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RE: What to Focus On? HIVE Power or HBD in Savings?
The answer is fairly easy. HBD pays 20% interest which compounds every 30 days. Best of all, the price of HBD is guaranteed!

HBD is so much more attractive than HIVE that one should invest every HIVE penny in HBD.

Of course this is not good for the blockchain. The system guarantees the HBD with HIVE. One can convert HBD to HIVE.

There is a scary thing called a "HBD haircut" which will take place when the market value of HBD grows to 30% of HIVE. [Ausbit Bank](https://hive.ausbit.dev/hbd) says the HBD marcap is currently about 6% of HIVE.

When the price of HIVE drops, investors need to be prepared to withdraw their HBD from savings and convert it into HIVE.

So, you see, every time there is a market correction, investors will pull their HBD and convert it into HIVE.

In both of the last two corrections investors converted over a million HBD to HIVE.

The conversion destroys the HBD and mints shiny new HIVE in its place.

In both market corrections, the system generated about 2.5 million HIVE that investors dumped on the open market.

The HBD price guarantee dumps huge quantities of HIVE on the market during down cycles.

I suspect that this pattern will continue.

Investing any money in HIVE is rather absurd. Not only does HBD have a higher price. Since the system guarantees the price of HBD with the value of HIVE, HIVE (and all of the alt-coins on Hive Engine) are extremely bad investments.

I suspect that the destruction of HIVE will take place in waves; I've been putting my earnings in HIVE during dips and putting it in HBD whenever the price is stable.

I am scared of the haircut and plan to pull my HBD if the price of HIVE drops below $0.3 . 

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@gadrian ·
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> HBD is so much more attractive than HIVE that one should invest every HIVE penny in HBD.
>
> Of course this is not good for the blockchain. The system guarantees the HBD with HIVE. One can convert HBD to HIVE.

Not everything should be driven by the highest profit. Sometimes we need to take the decisions that are the best for the blockchain/ecosystem, even if that may not provide the best return for the time being. At least that's my take on this.

As long as I have many investments in the Hive ecosystem and they provide a good (some great) return, I will do my part to decentralize the chain.

From the people reading this post, very few would pay as much attention to details as you do, and some would likely remain with HBD in savings even after a haircut would occur (which is still very far away). And even after many others would issue warnings to get the HBD out of savings.
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@yintercept ·
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>  very few would pay as much attention to details as you do, 

The people who are investing large amounts of money in HBD clearly are paying attention to price of HIVE.

The fact that we saw over a million HBD converted to HIVE during last two market corrections prove that the big money pays attention to the price of HIVE.

The attentive HBD investors dumped over 5 million HIVE on the market during the last two market corrections!

> As long as I have many investments in the Hive ecosystem and they provide a good (some great) return, 

I've seen a continuous slide in the value of both my HIVE and alt coins since the decision to raise the interest on HBD to 20%. My HE coins have lost about 80% of their value since the increase in HBD interest rates.

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<sup>Congratulations, @yintercept You Successfully Shared <b>0.100</b> <b>WINEX</b> With @gadrian.</sup>
<sup>You Earned <b>0.100</b> <b>WINEX</b> As Curation Reward.</sup>
<sup>You Utilized <b>1/1</b> Successful Calls.</sup>

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