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# How Do We Continue to Build a Solid Foundation Under the Steemit Community. #

Over the last few weeks I have been in discussion with fellow Steemians about how to best scale the user base of Steemit. These ideas are 100% unofficial. As many of you know I am totally against paying new users a sign up bonus. I would rather see that money get paid to influencers who join the platform and share their content and their Steemit success with their audiences.

Anabell and I were riding back from the city the other day and we were discussing the topic. We thought about our situation and how much more motivated we would be as influencers to spread Steemit and teach others how to use it if we were paid a referral bonus and a small percentage of the profits of the new users.

Think about it for a minute. What is the biggest problem we have as a platform? Frankly it is the difficulty of using it. Many people who are not technical come to Steemit, try to post and get frustrated because it is not intuitive like other social networks. Now imagine if I was vested in the success of that new user. I would feel more obliged to help them with their first few posts. The problem is that it takes time to teach people. Most people, 95% in fact will not make the effort to learn on their own like we did.

For example, Anabell's Brother Ariel [aarauz](https://steemit.com/@aarauz) joined the other night and made his first post. It took over an hour and a half for him to set up his first post formatted  properly with Anabell's help. I personally do not have time to do that but I know for sure that I would find the time if I knew there was a long term benefit. Please follow him, he could use the love and support.

So what do you think? Would you be more likely to refer more people and help them succeed if you had a small incentive?

Merry Christmas!!

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@alexodavids · (edited)
The idea of teaching newbies about proper formating is very important because I, like many other newbies, faced formating issues when I was writing my first post. For people who have very busy schedules, having access to a comprehensive learning material that can explain the formating requirements and methods will go a long way in making the platform easier to use.

I also especially like the idea of motivating old members via some kind of incentives.
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@anotherjoe ·
Totally agree!

Give the initial Steem to the referrer, or at least reduce the amount for new users and give a specific amount, plus "commissions" to whomever recruited them.

I understand that there is a mechanism available to make this possible, but it has not been implemented. Not being very technical, I can't say much more about it.

Other features are being developed that can help with editing, but some of it is still a bit difficult. The Ladder project and Streemian's post scheduler both are helpful.

The idea of having a Disqus type plugin, as has been discussed, providing cross posting of articles, comments and votes, would be a huge benefit, IMO. This would provide a major means of pushing the use of Steemit far beyond Steemit.com.

For now, the simple task of importing articles and converting the format is problematic. Even getting that sorted would be a nice step.

Merry Christmas
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@hilarski ·
Since we are still in Beta I would love the focus to be on making the platform easier to use and make sure the Steem financial markets are stable. Then we can go scale the hell out of this gem. Cheers!!
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@the-ego-is-you ·
Interesting take on the referral idea. What do you think about the concept of hindsight rewards that I proposed separately in this comment section?
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@ashish343 ·
Give 5$ and Get5$, A Real Referral Program to earn free BTC. Join Coinswitch.co/referral.
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@baerdric ·
I've seen referal bonus attempts succeed and I've seen them fail. When they fail is usually when the draw is so great that a few sharks flooded the system with  unqualified people who only hung on until the payout. It tends to build it's own pyramid scheme within the established marketing plan, because some few of the shark's recruits will be sharks themselves. 

As long as that is prevented, referral programs that I have seen worked very well. Personally, I already have that incentive because as a newbie trying to earn with content rather than curation, every little vote counts. People I draw in will vote for me, and they also will improve the value of STEEM over time.
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@hilarski · (edited)
I think Craig has a great idea to make sure users can't game the system. Verified  accounts is key. We could also set it up where users who refer others have to stay active on Steemit. If they don't they lose their referrals after a set amount of time.  We all know their are affliliate marketers out there that will make a mess of things unless they are kept in check.
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@craig-grant ·
YES :)
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@stellabelle ·
exactly. The more people you personally draw in and help, the more support you will get. This has the effect of creating your own support system within Steemit.
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@the-ego-is-you · (edited)
Please see my separately posted comment, it includes a way to in part circumvent this possible issue.
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@barrydutton ·
Good points.   I chat with you more about some of the relateds here and I make no bones about it publicly --- I struggle on here with coding formations and formatting and all this stuff.  I don't like it, I don't enjoy it, I am not from this world and when you get involved here - you have SO much to learn about writing AND crypto stuff.  It is overwhelming,  you are right -- I know exactly why people give up.  

The struggle is real and there is only so much time in a day we all have.
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@barrydutton ·
I  made this comment in the thread comments, I will post it here as a standalone for you to make it easier to find. perhaps:

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Have some of the payouts to blogger and mentor pegged to and auto-paid after 7th post.  

And again maybe at further legacy points on the chain or milemarker -- maybe even simple to remember ones like 5th / 10th/ 20th/50th -- the more I think about it the more that makes sense to me where I am at with things.  

-- encourages both parties to develop their habits and also reach an attainable goal / goals.
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@hilarski ·
That sounds like a great idea as well Barry.
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@cebymaster ·
This idea was proposed by  many others in the past but I didn't see any result. I support the idea with referral bonus
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@hilarski ·
It seems to work for many other business models in the crypto world. It should be easy to implement here.
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@coldmonkey ·
Incentives always help. Though I suspect that most referrals will come as link throughs rather than personal introductions.

The Steemit social network does have a relatively steep learning curve. But not one nearly as steep as getting to grips with a word processing program for the first time, or trying to edit a picture for the first time.

For me the main issue is getting a greater awareness of Steemit amongst the general public. I found out about Steemit purely as a result of a casual comment made by a fellow member of [CryptoCoinTalk](https://CryptoCoinTalk.com). Once I visited the Steemit site I was quite willing to put the time and effort needed to get to grips with understanding the underlying concept and complexities of the Steemit approach to improving social networking.
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@craig-grant ·
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great idea, I made a video about this same idea back in October

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcEVPZWY1QM
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@hilarski ·
I love the verification idea. Maybe rolling out verified accounts could be the way to avoid abuse. This is exactly what we are thinking. Thank you for making a video about it Craig.
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@riricoincoin ·
Bonjour , j'ai de la peine a comprendre pour Steemir  ( j'ai de la chance cela c'est configurer tous seul sous youtube!) Donc je me demande quel est URL a referer pour steemir ? est ce notre lien seemit ? SoS - merci

Hello, I have trouble understanding for Steemir (I'm lucky it's set all alone under youtube!) So I'm wondering what is URL to refer for steemir? is this our connection seemit? SoS - thank you
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@the-ego-is-you · (edited)
Interesting concept, though I'm a bit hesitant to see an infinite number of referral rewards so to speak, be implemented on the platform. I'm not sure what this would do to the economy at large. Please read my comment too if you've got the time.
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@craig-grant ·
if not for all time, then at least six months
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@thefutureisnow ·
I think a program makes alot of sense but we must be careful not to turn people off from it sounding like an MML. but it makes sense for steemians to get some reward for taking thier time to teach people how to set up a steem account and get them started. maybe just they get a one time referal bonus of a few steem.
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@ebryans ·
I like your thinking, @son-of-satire is on the same quest! https://steemit.com/steemit/@son-of-satire/how-dan-and-ned-could-use-trust-to-make-steemit-the-global-network-and-economy-of-the-future
I just put my two bobs worth into his concept but a meeting of minds may be apt!
Thank you for your constructive thinking!
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@hilarski ·
I do believe it would be cost effective. As you know influencers is the other way to build the platform but if they don't participate and support the users they bring to the platform it will be for naught.

Merry Christmas!!
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@ebryans ·
Merry Christmas to you too!
Here are the comments I made in response to the @son-of-satire post
https://steemit.com/steemit/@son-of-satire/how-dan-and-ned-could-use-trust-to-make-steemit-the-global-network-and-economy-of-the-future#@ebryans/re-son-of-satire-re-ebryans-re-son-of-satire-how-dan-and-ned-could-use-trust-to-make-steemit-the-global-network-and-economy-of-the-future-20161224t174249776z
It is all about taking care of and keeping newbies - you are on a pre-subscription concept - maybe the two dovetail?
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@exploretraveler ·
Since we have such a large social media base it would be great if we new when people come over. We know about the bigger accounts but have know idea when smaller people from twitter or elsewhere come over. Being able to have analytics would be huge.
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@hilarski ·
Tweeted @RandyHilarski

https://twitter.com/RandyHilarski/status/812709473395634176
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@karenb54 ·
It would benefit people, :)
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@hilarski ·
Anyone who is serious about it could build a nice income alongside of their post income. I would be super motivated to do it.
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@karenb54 ·
If you have a lot of friends to refer, I don't have anyone :(
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@knircky ·
I think younare right. Usability is an issue. However i think we cant expect anperfect solution from the start. 

I hope the team is working on it.

Im not sure about referals. I think in general its better to  create a product that is as good as possible. I would probably rather have these funds put into development.

I also think there are more structural issues that need adressing: usability is one. Reward concentration is another.
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@lichtblick ·
I support the idea too. I am a great fan of affiliate marketing espacially where it comes to passive income and why not share a small anmount with your sponsor.
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@hilarski ·
I bet that sponsor will be way more motivated to support the new user.  Seems like it would be a better way to recruit new users.
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@barrydutton ·
Have some of the payouts to blogger and mentor pegged to and auto-paid after 7th post.  

And again maybe at further legacy points on the chain or milemarker -- maybe even simple to remember ones like 5th / 10th/ 20th/50th -- the more I think about it the more that makes sense to me where I am at with things.  

-- encourages both parties to develop their habits and also reach an attainable goal / goals.
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@lichtblick ·
Until now I help new users too espacially if they bring value and good vibrations on steemit like our friend, the painting artist @jankasparec . 
But I totally agree that would be a good motivator to help much more on a daily basis. 
For now I have the luck that many of my friends which do not want to blog, want to share their content with me and like my LEGO constructor friend is so happy that his pictures Rock on Steemit while helping me with that too.
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@matrixdweller ·
I don't like the idea of a referral program here. I always give Steem free promo. Because I like it.
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@the-ego-is-you ·
My thinking is similar in some ways. We want dedicated users and "natural" growth more than anything else.
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@michaelpinson ·
So does Steemit pay me to refer others to Steemit? I have 45,000 people in my social media that i can reach.....michaelpinson6@gmail.com
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@quinneaker ·
Totally agree. It will greatly improve the active user base, I am quite sure of that. It's also very fair. There are people out there like my self who are responsible for literally 10,000 posts from users using Steemit because of me. What compensation or reward did I get from that great contribution to this platform? Nada
It's fine because I did it to support the community I love and believe in, yet I deserve compensation and it would greatly increase the community as ivity as a whole.
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@hilarski ·
Yup, it is the nature of being an influencer. We promote because we love it but imagine how much more promotion the community will do if they had a financial incentive long term.
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@rebeccaryan ·
As I have mentioned before, my biggest stumbling block when it comes to encouraging my family, friends and acquaintances to join the Steemit platform is being able to explain how the founders or anyone here is making the currency, we are all dabbling in.
At this point, I can't easily explain in under 2 seconds, who's pocket the currency is coming from.
It's one of the first questions that is asked as soon as I tell them that they don't have to "pay to play" on this platform. If it's coming from the bytes of information that are used to construct blocks on the blockchain, who is buying and paying for this?
The next questions are:
" What happens to the original content that I create? Do I still own it?"
I cannot answer these questions with confidence and certainty. 
Perhaps I have missed this basic information. If anyone can share how they respond when these questions are asked of them, I would really appreciate any guidance that might be offered from anyone reading my comment. 
I believe in Steemit and am happy to fill a role as a Steemit guerrilla marketer, but I require the ability to easily explain how it works accurately.
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@baerdric ·
I had the same difficulty. When I finally figured out a way to say it in one paragraph using no crypto-terminology I wrote it down so I wouldn't forget. 
https://steemit.com/steem/@baerdric/where-does-the-money-come-from
The second paragraph is so you can compare it to gold.
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@rebeccaryan ·
Thanks @baerdric. I appreciate your analogy of it being similar to physically mining gold and people who want to buy the gold already mined.
What I can't explain is:
Where did the currency come from to fund the whole thing from the beginning?
Was it only from Dan and Ned's pockets and a few of their closest friends or did it come from other sources?
How do the owners of Steemit make money from their platform?
People are looking for a catch and when I can't easily answer these questions I lose credibility and their interest at the same time. (These are the same questions that I am discussing with @zorg67.)
I have learned that if I don't give information that is simply enough, people won't even look into it.
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@zorg67 ·
As far as where the money comes from:

1-When you post people vote on your content.
2-The votes earn you points. Those points are called Steem.
3-You can trade those points for local currency on an exchange or for merchandise on [Peerhub.com](https://www.peerhub.com/?q=&filter=marketplace) or with a merchant that accepts Steem.

Think on how when you use a credit card you can earn rewards that you can later use to make purchases.

As far as ownership of your content:

You are the owner, Steemit Inc does not own your content. You can publish it somewhere else if you desire. However it cannot be taken off the blockchain. The bockchain is a public record of who created the content.
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@rebeccaryan · (edited)
Thank you @zorg67.
I can explain the  first 3 points, easy enough...
What I can't explain is:
Where did the currency come from to fund the whole thing from the beginning?
Was it only from Dan and Ned's pockets and a few of their closest friends or did it come from other sources?
How do the owners of Steemit make money from their platform?
People are looking for a catch and when I can't easily answer these questions I lose credibility and their interest at the same time.
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@zorg67 ·
Also, it's not free money. You have to put in wok when creating a post, gain followers, etc.

It's an opportunity not a giveaway.
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@steevc ·
A referral scheme might help recruitment. It needs to encourage quality of users and not just quantity. Tsu had it and some people spammed other social sites to try and get recruits, which got Tsu blocked by Facebook. There should be multiple ways to earn that suit all types
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@anotherjoe ·
Good point. I left Tsu early because it just never did anything for me. But I never collected on my earnings. Not sure what I had in there. :) 
I wonder if direct signup would be the way to go then. For instance, rather than just being able to spam links all over the place, someone has to sign in to a registration form on a site in order for the referrer to get credit. Then that site is associated with the new member, which can be monitored for abuse.
I don't know if that's a solution or just a headache...
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@hilarski ·
Tsu was definitely a lesson in how not to promote. I had over 2,000 followers on there and never earned a freaking dime. They came to influencers to promote the platform and then refused to pay them which caused many people like me to abandon it.
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@the-ego-is-you · (edited)
All very good points. I should have included an "@steevc" in my separately posted comment.
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@stellabelle ·
$0.07
I'm considering teaching classes. I think Steemit is complex enough to warrant a class approach. I've taught classes about YouTube before to teens within the public libraries, and I've got connections. I also am thinking of teaching through another way, a local communiversity. I guess I should just start doing that.
Steemit needs to form groups, because many people need support. Coming in isolated I think is a real problem.

As far as your approach, I was very motivated to spread the word in my various entrepreneur groups and I realized that I would be successful if others found success too. Basically, it's in all of our interests to help others figure this out. If we fail to onboard people, our investment won't be powerful. 

What I am afraid of in the scenario you've mentioned is that Steemians start to get spammy with their links, just the way that business people tend to be. If we approach this as a teaching and helping role, I think we can all be more successful in helping others. I was responsible for bringing in many people, and many are successful Steemians like @infovore, @kaylinart, @ericvancewalton, etc. In the beginning, many got frustrated and were about to give up....some have given up, and this learning part (that could be solved by having learning groups within Steemit) is the area of failure.
I am going to push for a change in adding groups to Steemit. Then we can have greater communication and learning.
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@the-ego-is-you · (edited)
I agree that it's hard to get going with the platfrom.

This is yet another reason in my opinion (though not at all suggested as a complete solution to the specific problem you are discussing here) to implement the idea I proposed earlier; Reward early supporters of good writers. 

If a good writer comes on the platform and you were the one introducing them to Steemit, chances are you're gonna be among the first ones voting for them.
However if they don't get noticed as good writers (maybe because their first post isn't actually that advanced in nature and they just want to test things out, or because they're just one of the unlucky few that didn't get a whale welcome) then you will hardly be rewarded for this curation and as such there's an even greater "risk"/"cost" to voting for this new user, than voting for someone "safe".

That's why I suggest we reward early supporters in hindsight, as the next few couple posts start to rack up some dollars. That way we'd have a semi "referal like" program + we would further incentivize the entire community to vote for 1 "expected to be good writers" and 2 good content that may not get noticed, not simply out of the goodness of their hearts, but by putting the profit motive to work in a new way. 

-To me this seems like good economics. @smooth @dantheman @anyone with more knowledge than me, tell me if I'm being too short sighted?
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@anotherjoe ·
What does this look like in application? Can you give the steps along the way, kind of an outline or flowchart?
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@the-ego-is-you · (edited)
Thank you for the idea. I will try to make a post about this and include something like that. 

(although I could not give you the technical details of actual implementation in the blockchain, since I'm far from educated in that department)

Let me try to explain it like this though;

1 You vote for an "unknown" new blogger that just arrived on Steemit - or for a friend that just joined, thanks to your efforts.

2 The rewards are payed out as normal and maybe this time there is little to nothing given to this "good" new writer, though had they been on the platform longer or were a celebrity they would have been paid handsomely.*  -Thus, neither did the voters so far get rewarded for the use of their votes and they may even experience some "pain".

3 In x amount of time after the first post, the average total payout on all posts made by the blogger would be automatically calculated.

4 This would prompt a payout to the original voters for the first post made by the blogger. -Thus reincentivizing those voters that had been feeling the pain of no initial rewards, to continue voting for unknown authors - or for those promising users they successfully onboard.

This is of course only a very brief explanation, but maybe the best I personally can do without making a post about it. There would be many parameters to consider before actual implementation.

*(Nothing wrong with celebs or verified users getting more money though, that's not the issue here. The issue is that a really good post could end up bein priced at nothing or "too little" and the really creative writer would end up with nothing other than a bad first impression; "Quality is not rewarded on this platform, only status". My idea primarily seeks to reduce this risk for the author, by reducing risk/increasing the chance of rewards for the voters.)
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@hilarski ·
Sounds good to me, I am open to anything that will help us grow with a solid foundation.
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@thecryptofiend ·
I think it would help give some people an incentive so is definitely worth trying.
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@hilarski ·
We had the signup bonus before and it did not work. I wonder how much Steem sits on those dead accounts. 50,000 X 10 Steem would be 500,000 not a ton but it could have been used for better things.
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@the-ego-is-you ·
Excellent point. This ties into matrixdwellers, baerdrics and my own answer as well I think.
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@thecryptofiend ·
Yes.  Those people might come back if the Steem price rises though.
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@wagnertamanaha ·
I found this Steemit referral code explained in an old @future24 post [Tutorial: How To Use The Steemit Referral/Affiliate Program? (English/German)](https://steemit.com/howto/@future24/tutorial-how-to-use-the-steemit-referral-affiliate-program-english-german). But I'm not sure if it continues tracks the clicks or will give rewards someday.
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@zorg67 ·
I am against referrals. There is a set amount of Steem created every day. That would take away a piece of the pie that could be used to pay content creators and curators.
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@hilarski ·
Referrals as part of the profits of the content generated by the new writers. If they are good the referrer does well. If they don't perform they earn nothing.
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@exploretraveler ·
With over a million people we have to balance where we focus our time. Steemit is not our most influential channel. So we have to focus our time carefully, and there is only five of us managing everything, and there is never enough time to finish. So if it showed financial promise then we would change our focus.
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@zorg67 ·
Hey Randi I was writing a long response so I figured to make a [post about it instead](https://steemit.com/steemit/@zorg67/response-to-hilarski-s-proposal-for-referrals).
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