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· @holoz0r ·
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I am thinking a lot about money lately. Unemployment tends to do that to a person. I was going to say it does it to a man, but I'm trying to be as appealing as possible to a broad audience here with my rambling. I'm a person. 

Anyway, I recently got a new car, a 2.5L Mazda 6 Wagon, and I love it. But when I look at what job I might end up doing in the future, travel times, distances etc, I need a good way to work out the economics of travel, particularly so if public transport isn't a viable option to arrive at my location in a reasonable amount of time. 

I purchased my car outright, and it is fully paid off, so I don't have any loan repayments, interest or the like to worry about. 

Having owned my new car for about eight months now, I've settled in to about 7.8L/100 KM, which is one of the baselines for my calculations. With an average fuel price of around $2.2 a litre my fuel comes to...

Fuel costs about 17.2 cents per kilometre. 

I have calculated the annual servicing (over ten years) to cost an average of $858. Not all of these expenses are incurred each year, but rather, if I have the car for 100,000 KM (with a 10,000 KM service interval) - each of the services would cost this on average, based on Mazda's calculator on their website. 

So for each 10,000 kilometres I drive, I pay 8.6 cents per kilometre to keep the car serviced.

Then, there's the cost of tyres. They're around $1500 for the ones I like to get - and they should last a minimum of 25000KM (though, in theory would last much longer) - this is a conservative calculation to allow for the provisions of spares, punctures, or repairs. 

This means then, for every 25,000 kilometres I drive , I pay 6 cents per kilometre for tyres. 

Then, there's insurance and registration. This are annual costs, and with the assumption that I drive 15,000 kilometres each year, with insurance costing around $1300 and registration being $690, the equation is a bit more nebulous, but still easy: 15,000 kilometres a year is 42 kilometres a day, and thus: 

$1990 / 365 = $5.45 a day. 5.45 divided by 42 is 13 cents a day. 

To drive, I need to renew my licence every year. Currently, that costs $55 a year if I pay for ten years at once. Again, with the assumption that I do 15,000 KM a year, that ends up costing less than a cent per kilometre. So let's call that cost a cent a kilometre. 

I pay a cent per kilometre to keep my licence up to date and legal. (Which is a massive over-compensation) 

So, I can then come down to adding these normalised costs together to get my final running costs for my car:

| Expense                  | Cost Per KM (cents) |
|--------------------------|---------------------|
| Tyres                    | 6                   |
| Licence                  | 1                   |
| Fuel                     | 17.2                |
| Registration & Insurance | 13                  |
| Servicing                | 8.6                 |

So my total costs per kilometre are 45.8 cents. 

This doesn't include parking if I need to pay for it, so any assumptions I'll make about that are that parking is free. 

As a simple example to analyse my expense, If I drive from my home to the city, it would be 48KM. The means it would cost, on aggregate, $21.98 one way. By contrast, a train ticket costs $4.4 in peak periods for a one way trip of the same distance. 

**Therefore, by taking the train, I'd be saving a whopping $17.58! ONE WAY.**

But what about the time difference? 

Driving takes about 45 minutes. The train takes an hour and twenty minutes door to door.

Therefore, driving costs 49 cents per minute. For a journey to the city, the train costs about 9c a minute. 

That means that the train journey is 40cents a minute , or $24 an hour cheaper.

If I get a job in the city, I don't think I'll be driving. 

I want to use this logic in the future for other calculations, So I got gemini to create a HTML / JS calculator for the logic I've outlined in this post. 

You can use it [here](https://holoz0r.github.io/TravelCompare/).


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@beatminister ·
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Its a bit of a fuzzy calculation though, as it only focuses on you commuting to work. But if you use public transportation - do you get rid of the car? I suppose not. So actually you are only saving certain elements of your expenses, like the petrol used for commuting, tyre wear and so on. While other elements just stay the same, like insurance and servicing. 
And you have to pay AUS$ 55 to keep your license? Thats scandalous! Here in Germany you make your licence once (which is admittedly very expensive, due to the high cost for the driving school) but then you have it for life without further cost.
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@holoz0r ·
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Yeah, and that reduced $55 fee is if you renew it for ten years at once, after which you need a new licence photo. :) There's no retesting, until you become old and need medical checks to assess your fitness to drive, or if you need glasses as a condition on your licence. 

And you are right, it is a fuzzy calculation. So the fixed expenses of ownership like insurance and registration would stay the same, but insurance (at least here) - is based on your kilometres and some insurers give higher risk factors if you're driving to work x number of days a week vs from home, so the cost would probably be higher for that fixed cost. 

Where I am living, getting rid of the car would make life a lot more difficult, but it is good to quantify the numbers, even if they're a little bit over the top. I'd rather budget more and spend less, and be left with a surplus in my account I can spend on nice things :) 
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@mattclarke ·
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Ironically I've used this as an example when explaining the difference between Samsung and Apple phones. Apple is catching the train. You can't get lost but you can't detour. Samsung is driving. You're behind the wheel, but you need to pay attention.
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@holoz0r ·
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Are you saying I'm an Android? I'm *always* paying attention! :)
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@mirroredspork ·
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Smart research.

!ALIVE
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@holoz0r ·
Thank you :) A spork is my favourite kitchen utensil, so great username :) 
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@riverflows ·
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Ha, try having five cars. Lucky Jamie does all of the work/servicing. It's ridiculous. I mean you can only drive one at a time - and hopefully we can have the new old Landie on club plates, and the one in UK on free UK plates soon (historic vehicle). 

Then there's my VW t5 that needs a lot of work doing to do it - he'll do all the work, it's just havint the time to get around to it. 

And the VW passat needs a few things done to it. 

The Defender is fine, just Jamie is spending money on a new nanucom and wants to get lockers for it - sigh. 

But then, cars are kinda his hobby as well. 

Woudl you consider an electric car? 
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@holoz0r ·
> Woudl you consider an electric car?

Funnny question, because the new Mazda has a 62 Litre tank, compared to my Old Focus having a 50L tank, the first week I needed to refuel I regretted every second of a petrol car. 

We have a large solar set up, and a battery, so on reflection, I'd probably never have to pay for fuel ever again if I had purchased an electric car; but I won't be selling / "upgrading" until this one is beyond economical repair. 

My sticking point about not going electric was 

- I wanted a wagon (and there's no wagons that fit the bill)
- I still wanted the sensation of gear changes (selfish, I know - but I did go from a manual to something with flappy paddles)

And finally, I don't wanna pay an electrician several thousand dollars (yet) to upgrade our board to get a charger placed in the right position. (I'd also not be keeping an electric car in the garage, I'd leave it in the drive way). 

Only one car here, but also only one licensed driver, @ursa never wanted to learn. 
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