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Hive core dev meeting #33 by howo

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· @howo ·
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Hive core dev meeting #33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-MNCVYl8hU

Short meeting this time but a decent amount of updates from @howo and @blocktrades

meeting tl;dr:

# Dev sync

Listen to that one

# Testnet setup

@gtg is still tweaking the mirror testnet, @imwatsi has a local testnet running for HAF, we are aiming aggressively (read: will probably slip) for end of march for hf26, so we have some time before we can run tests. As soon as the mirror testnet is live I'll create a guide on how to play with rc delegations, meanwhile I'll update the various libraries to work with it. 

# Transferable claimed account tokens with costs

Some back and forth here, basically blocktrades is against the feature altogether, the idea is that if we make them transferrable at a cost to burn hive, might as well burn hive by creating accounts. Feature is on hold unless the community really pushes to have it.

# Additionnal topics here and there.

@arcange wished for a new option when creating accounts to set the recovery account while it's created, I created an issue on gitlab and will tackle it for hf27

Have a nice week :)

@howo
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@bashadow ·
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Tentative march date sounds good, looking forward to the RC changes. While it might be nice for me to transfer my account tokens, I think I understand where blocktrades stands on the issue. The setting recover account idea I think does have some merit to it, this way the account creator has no need to play the part of account recovery also.
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@bil.prag ·
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so is the idea to account creation not be free? looks like Hiveonboard is not working and looks like powering down. Ecency says my IP is not cool enough (or something like that).

Is the idea every app to find a solution for themselves?

logic tells me we would like more users, but i could be wrong.
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@howo ·
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> logic tells me we would like more users, but i could be wrong.

You're not wrong, the issue is that having users has a cost, and free accounts goes against of the way of sustainability, if we let everyone have free accounts we'd end up in solana's or eos's shoes where node operators are spending 10k a month on nodes and the blockchain would no longer be sustainable and decentralized
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@bil.prag ·
is just an account creating that much strain on the chain? without HP you can do 1-3 transactions a day? (not sure if it is even that). 
looking at the registration process yesterday i am sure that at least 80% of people that found Hive one way or another did not make an account only because it is complicated and on top of that we made it more complicated.

I mean i would pay 2$ for creation, but i am here for 4 years. most that have no idea what Hive is will not. and there are probably a number of people that can't even do that (didn't look how the payments are made, for 15 years paypal was not willing to work in my country, crypto should solve that)
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@bil.prag ·
is just an account creating that much strain on the chain? without HP you can do 1-3 transactions a day? (not sure if it is even that). 
looking at the registration process yesterday i am sure that at least 80% of people that found Hive one way or another did not make an account only because it is complicated and on top of that we made it more complicated.

I mean i would pay 2$ for creation, but i am here for 4 years. most that have no idea what Hive is will not. and there are probably a number of people that can't even do that (didn't look how the payments are made, for 15 years paypal was not willing to work in my country, crypto should solve that)
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@cmmemes ·
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wen next HF ? :)
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@howo ·
Optimistically end of march 
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@cmmemes ·
I'll read that as May :P hopefully RC delegations will be lucrative 
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@jarvie ·
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I have a question about RC delegation... is there a cooldown period on un-delegation? If so why and how long? If they get used then they get used but if they don't then why should there be a period of time to get them back. FOr an app like peakd we want to delegate to LOTS of users potentially tens of thousands of new users until they establish RC of their own. Being able to adapt quickly to RC needs of lots of users would be very important for us... so i'm pretty worried that it's using the logic of HP delegations which has multiple impacts that make sense for cooldown of the delegation but doesn't feel like RC needs or should have the same thing. So i'm just checking
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@howo · (edited)
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There is no cooldown per se, but when you undelegate you have to regenerate the rc, which takes about a week, so basically if you delegate 70 rc, and then undelegate then wait one day because that amount would have regenerated, you could redelegate 10 rc the next day. So it's a lot more flexible than hive power delegations in that sense, but there is still some sort of "limitation".

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@jarvie ·
Hahaha If that is not a "cool down" what do we call it a "burn"? So even if the RC never gets used when you want to undelegate it all just disappears without ever being used? If it's not a cool down then what? a "theft"? ... "Price of using the system" 

Sounds worse than I expected to be honest... Unless I'm not understanding something correctly.

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@shohana1 ·
Really very informative blog and glad that you shared the update on hive dev team activities.  We hivers like to be informed what happen inside and out.
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@tobetada ·
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Great stuff! I like arcange's idea
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