  Coinbase is poised to launch lightning network (LN). This is significant because of the long standing criticism against BTC's scalability and since LN has been in development for more than a year.  Coinbase going live with LN is surprising to many because highly respected oracle of Bitcoin Andreas Antonopoulos weeks ago shared his expectation that Coinbase would not. *“I don’t think Coinbase will run Lightning, and I think there are many reasons why we’re not going to see regulated exchanges run Lightning Hubs,”* -Antonopoulos Antonopoulos cited stringent regulatory pressures that rest upon Coinbase with respect to AML and KYC would make their implementation of LN unfeasible because of how Lightning enables trascations to occur without the traditional record keeping typical within the Bitcoin blockchain protocol. Suffice it to say with LN money can pass back and forth between nodes in a manner that does not require transaction "closure", in fact transactions can pass from one node to another on a pathway to the final destination, which makes KYC impossible and AML more difficult.  Antonopolous elaborated on this concern on Jan 21, 2018, in an interview with Adam B. Levine titled ["Let's Talk Bitcoin"](https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-352-lightning-in-real-life), and this interview is fascinating and informative, but WARNING this is 65 minutes. In that interview, Antonopoulos said: *"They have a fully KYC/AML-ed customer on one end of their connection, but if they receive a payment that’s going to that customer over the Lightning Network, they have no idea whether that customer’s the final destination… If they receive one coming in from that customer, they have no idea if that customer’s the origin… Which means their KYC just fell apart – completely fell apart."* And he concluded this point by saying that beacuse of this criticism, Coinbase would be *"...if they do that they are in violation of those regulations, they MUST know the original source and final destination of every payment their routing, which means they cannot run a lightning network."* In related news Bitfinex announced their own implementation of Segwit, which according to [Bitfinex's own 'Medium' post](https://medium.com/bitfinex/bitfinex-adopts-segwit-8e6c5d72fcf9), means significant benefits for users and bitcoin's development. *"By supporting SegWit addresses, Bitfinex is tackling three of the biggest crypto-enthusiast concerns: transaction fees, transaction speed, and total network capacity."* -Paolo Ardoino, Bitfinex CTO *"SegWit is the process of increasing block size limits by separating signature data from transactional data in bitcoin transactions. SegWit will also effectively fix transaction malleability. This process will also provide future for also Bitcoin development efforts, including the implementation of Lightning Network."* My Thoughts: - This is an enormous step forward in the scalability of Bitcoin and the resolution of the largest criticism against BTC, its fees and time delays in payment resolution. This growing network of Lightning nodes will dramatically improve speed, fees, and therefore functionality of Bitcoin. Critics have long said Bitcoin's "value" is lower than its price, and their arguments are nearly always centered on the issue of scale, and how scale was holding the functionality of BTC back, but no longer. Bitcoin is known, it is desired, it is attractive, reliable, secure and now it is scaleable. It is functionally instant, relatively free, and yet secure. The wider implementation of LN, starting with major exchanges like Coinbase, and even implementation of Segwit by Bitfinex represent an answer to the long standing criticism against Bitcoin, that it cannot scale adequately to be "peer to peer electronic cash". It can scale, it is scaling, fees and speed of delivery are being resolved. Bitcoin is stronger than ever, and 2018 is an exciting time for BTC holders. It is yet to be seen whether this will have a short term impact on the price action, and I am not a financial advisor, but as a holder of Bitcoin I am excited and I believe justifiably so. I am now more convinced that the future growth of BTC will be positive than ever, and that the future is bright for cryptocurrency investors, involved today.  If you enjoy the content let me know, leave a comment, follow, and upvote. Thanks so much for your time and attention.
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I enjoy, thank you for sharing. ;)
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thanks sir for your information @infidel1258 
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Hi @infidel1258, thank you for your post. As I see you perceive this event positively. I'm interested in BTC only because it's high influence on other altcoins, I don't hodl any BTC. My last BTC transaction was in December and it was terrible. It took hours to process payment and cost me about 5 USD, so I agreee, this is very good news (adopting LN). But I see threats as well. Especially it must lead to centralization...I won't try to explain it since I can post great link about it: https://medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/mathematical-proof-that-the-lightning-network-cannot-be-a-decentralized-bitcoin-scaling-solution-1b8147650800
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In December or January, I paid $40 USD to move about $1500 USD in BTC from Coinomi wallet to an exchange! I did pay for priority transmission but still, it wasn't much cheaper for normal transmission. Recently I sent bitcoin from my Coinbase wallet to another wallet and found that it was far cheaper, maybe $3-4 USD. Time delay in transmission and fees paid are both at their worst at the same time. When fees are highest it is because there is at that time a backlog transactions which means time delays, unless you pay the higher optional fees. :( I have heard the criticism against lightning such as centralization, and there are many voices that disagree with those assertions, if you want to hear his thoughts, check out this Youtube rebuttle. - https://youtu.be/c4TjfaLgzj4 But more than that, I think we need to remember that scale is a problem that is currently holding back bitcoin's wider adoption. This is a problem that is present and dangerous. Lightning is an answer to that problem, and it is helpful in that respect. While it may result in other challenges, like centralization through lightning node centrality is yet to be determined, and should be tackled as we move forward. The reason I support this approach is because I really think scale is hurting BTC, costing it market dominance, and holding cryptocurrency back in general, so it is too important to delay any further. Hope that makes sense, and thanks so much for the thoughtful comment.
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Wow, that's almost 3% transaction fee, it's like the Middle Ages...3-4 USD sounds good if you send 1500USD, but if you send about 100USD it's still horrible. Do you know some guess how much should be tx costs in LN? Every time I read "tx fees are gonna be really small..." but not finding more concrete numbers...I guess it's gonna be something like LTC. But generally I agree with you. Let's try LN (it makes sense) and then we'll see. Not everything can be accurately predicted since we're humans not machines and cryptos are in large measure about psychological aspects...thanks for videos, just watching it. Hearing common misunderstandings I see I've understood it well :-) For other readers there is another interesting post I've read: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/02/bitcoins-lightning-network-a-deep-dive/
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Another good point is that your wallet will open channels, close channels, so basically you'll know just about lower fees and faster transactions
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You wrote that Antonopoulos said Coinbase wouldn't be able to implement the Lightning Network, but it seems they are. How does that work? Did they find a way around KYC?
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Yeah they didnt really explain how or why they overcame that, but they are apparently not worried. This is one RARE example for Antonopoulos appears mistaken. :)
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Hola amigo, gracias por la información estoy muy interesada en BTC, por todo lo que representa pero escucho y he comprobado muchas cosas que no me convencen. Estaré al pendiente como siempre de tus contenidos relacionados con BTC, y cualquier duda te la sabre llegar. Gracias saludos.
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