Hello, everyone! I hope I find you in good health and *with lower stress levels*. Last time I wrote about the stress-monster and how it could affect your well-being and physical health. As most of you pointed out in the comment section, we are all quite aware that it is a part of our lives. Furthermore, it would be rather naive to expect zero stress levels. However, *living with monsters* is not a good way of living. It is much better if one tries *to tame them* and turn them into something *more predictable and controllable*. Otherwise, as the endocrinologist Hans Selye warned, its roaring and scratching will exhaust your body and mind. Yeah, I know, Salye didn't mention any monsters. He was a well-established (and serious) scientist who discovered that when being under stress living creatures tend to respond in a similar way. First, they experience an activation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal system as the body is prepared for energy expenditure (fight or flight). Then, they try to resist the activation and calm down. This is the so-called *resistance phase*. If the stress endures for too long, they go into an *exhaustion phase*. This is the phase in which the body becomes prone to different deseases. ([1]( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2038162/pdf/brmedj03603-0003.pdf))  ### <center> This must be Salye and the Stress Monster </center> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some of you shared their great strategies for dealing with stress. Thank you for putting this effort! In summary, all of you shared your *conscious techniques* to cope with stress. I use the word *conscious* here to state that you were fully aware of what you were doing in order to deal with the stress. Furthermore, all of you listed a set of things you do to relieve your stress levels. It looks like each of us is *armed* with a collection of coping strategies in order to cope with everyday stress. We differ in many ways as far as our personality is concerned. *Everyone has their own unique set of personality traits*. Lately, there have been posted some great articles about this subject by @dysfunctional ([here]( https://steemit.com/psychology/@dysfunctional/are-you-stuck-with-being-yourself)) and @abigail-dantes ([here]( https://steemit.com/psychology/@abigail-dantes/the-thinking-emotional-and-behaviour-patterns-that-characterise-us)). However, not only we vary in our personality traits but each of us uses a different set of tools to deal with stress. In other words, *everyone has their unique set of coping strategies*. > Coping strategies are defined as conscious and voluntary efforts to regulate emotions, behaviors, cognitions, and psychophysiology and environment variables in response to the stress of everyday events ([2](http://www.psicothema.com/pdf/4337.pdf)) Let’s put this straight in case it sounds too complicated: > Coping refers to the thoughts and actions we use to deal with a threatening situation. ([7]( https://humanstress.ca/stress/trick-your-stress/steps-to-instant-stress-management/)) However, not all coping strategies lead to a positive result. One may engage in ineffective coping behavior like using drugs or being aggressive. There are many coping strategies that may look like a quick and easy way to reduce stress, but in the long term, they make things even worse. Another example of the unproductive (or maladaptive) coping strategies is alcohol abuse. ### <center> Adaptive vs Maladaptive Coping Strategies </center>  Generally speaking, coping strategies are divided into two main groups – adaptive vs maladaptive coping strategies ([8]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coping_(psychology))). As you have probably already guessed, adaptive strategies are the “good guys”. They help you*adapt* to the new circumstances and get back to normality. On the other hand, maladaptive coping strategies do exactly the opposite. At first, they seem like they relieve your stress levels, though they actually *prolong* the time you are under stress and lead to the phase of exhaustion ([1]( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2038162/pdf/brmedj03603-0003.pdf)). You may *instantly feel better* when you drink a bottle of liqueer every night. Does it help you feel less lonely? I doubt it. In the long term, you would continue to feel lonely and the chances of meeting someone would lower. Nobody likes dating drunks after all. Coping strategies are extremely important when it comes to mental health and subjective well-being. Using adaptive coping style may lower the probability of a disease occurrence and may increase the likelihood of achieving and maintaining excellent levels of health and quality of life ([3](http://www.scirp.org/S(czeh2tfqyw2orz553k1w0r45)/reference/ReferencesPapers.aspx?ReferenceID=1326592)). Nevertheless, maladaptive strategies usually correlate with emotional distress, including symptoms of depression and anxiety, as well as socio-emotional maladjustment (4, [5]( http://psycnet.apa.org/record/2001-14138-003)). If you start Cognitive-Behaviour therapy (CBT in short), your coping strategies will be one of the first things your therapist will assess. That is how important they are! In case your therapist concludes that you use maladaptive coping strategies, your therapeutic work will be focused on adopting more productive coping mechanisms. *Your coping strategy is your way out of your problem.* Do you remember the fairy-tale of [Henzel and Gretel]( https://www.dltk-teach.com/fairy-tales/hansel-and-gretel/story.htm)? Your coping strategy is like the stones and the crumbs Henzel left on the path. The stones are solid and endurable. They will show you the right way. The stones are like adaptive coping strategies. The crumbs, on the other hand, are not reliable. They seem like they will do the work, but in the end they will simply leave you lost deep in the woods. The crumbs are like maladaptive coping strategies. (You can check another great article of @abigail-dantes about the [Dark Forest](https://steemit.com/psychology/@abigail-dantes/what-do-you-do-when-things-go-wrong) and your way out of it. ### <center> Perfect people </center>  Nope! There are no perfect people (as we all know). There is no human being on Earth who uses only adaptive coping strategies. We all engage in various behaviors. Some of them are adaptive, others are not. I remember how fascinated I was when I discovered the world of the coping styles during the first years in the university and my CBT training. Then the inevitable thing happened. I started to discover the unproductive behaviors I used in some stressful situations. So, I started beating myself up about it. Don’t worry! This is something that psychology students often do. However, it is another maladaptive coping mechanism. It was a long way until I got to the point in which I stopped to engage in self-blaming, but in rather more effective behavior like self-reflection and re-evaluation. The latter is much more likely to bring you a positive affect at the end of the day ([6](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312909049_Perfectionism_and_daily_stress_coping_and_affect_Advancing_multilevel_explanatory_conceptualizations)). Gradually, I started to reevaluate my reactions in certain stressful situations and consciously apply more adaptive coping strategies. For example, when being stressed and angry I used to socially withdraw and shut myself off. It was quite unproductive because it didn’t lead to any change. Furthermore, not dealing with the situation made me even angrier and more stressed. Realizing that, I started putting effort to speak my mind out loud and be more active in dealing with the distressful situations. Learning new behavior models, reflecting and reevaluating is a never-ending process, though. I keep doing all of these on a daily basis. And I am getting better and better in my *new behavior models*. Imagine what a super-woman I could be after 70 years of reevaluating and self-reflecting. Yep! A 90-year-old super-granny: D  ### <center> Meet the future me. A 90-year-old Super Granny. </center> > Jokes aside. I strongly believe that the coping strategies we use are a key to happy and fulfilling lives. That is why I decided to bring this issue up. Next time we will examine different examples of adaptive and maladaptive coping strategies. I am sorry, but I simply couldn’t put it all into a single article. ### A little task for you In the end, I have a little task for you. It is a small case based on two real stories (all the names and the irrelevant information have been replaced). If you find it fun to make assumptions, please leave me a comment with your hypothesis. I would enjoy discussing it. **Here is the case:** *Lessley and Michael **were** both in their late 50’s. Both of them were well established in their professions. Lessley was a newspaper journalist and Michael was an engineer.* *Unfortunately, both Lessley and Michael faced something unexpected. Their wives asked for a divorce. Lessley and Michael went into a deep crisis. Both of them felt like everything they had built for the past 30 years, was just slipping between their fingers. Or at least they thought so.* *Now Lessley and Michael **are** in their mid 60’s.* *Lessley is doing rather well. He is working as a freelance journalist for some online magazines. He has left his home country and moved to Italy. He has an Italian girlfriend (Adriana) who owns a small shop in a relatively small village. They met online after Lessley’s daughter sighed him up on an online dating site.* *Michael, on the other hand, is not coping that well. He was fired from his work as a constructor. He is not looking for a new job. He complains of poor health. He doesn’t shower and forgets to eat. He spends most of his time inside his apartment, drinking all day and watching TV. He doesn’t see his friends anymore and rarely calls his family. He doesn’t answer his phone either.* **So, what do you think happened in between? Why these people ended up in such a different way when a similar event happened to both of them? What are** *your assumptions* **about the effective and ineffective behaviors they used?** --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for spending your precious time reading this article. I hope I see you around. **Previous article:** [How to cope with stress (Part 1)](https://steemit.com/steemstem/@insight-out/cope-with-stress-part-1) Created by Valeria Sim, @insight-out. All rights reserved. **References:** (1) Selye, H. (1950). Stress and the General Adaptation Syndrome. British Medical Journal, June 17, 1383-1392 (2) F Rodríguez, F., Torres, M., Páez, J., Inglés, C. (2016) Prevalence of strategies for coping with daily stress in children. Psychotema, 2016, Vol. 28, No4, p. 370-376 (3) Folkman, S., & Moskowitz, J. T. (2004). Coping: Pitfalls and Promise. Annual Review of Psychology, 55, 745-774. (4) Lapointe, V., & Marcotte, D. (2000). Gender-typed characteristics and coping strategies of depressed adolescents. European Review of Applied Psychology, 50, 451-460. (5) Seiffge-Krenke, I. (2000). Causal links between stressful events, coping style, and adolescent symptomatology. Journal of Adolescence, 23, 675-691. (6) Dunkley, D. (2016). Perfectionism and daily stress, coping, and affect: Advancing multilevel explanatory conceptualizations. In the book “The psychology of perfectionism: Theory, research, applications”, Publisher: London: Routledge, Editors: J. Stoeber, pp.33 (7) https://humanstress.ca/stress/trick-your-stress/steps-to-instant-stress-management/ (8) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coping_psychology **Images (under CC0 Creative Commons):** https://pixabay.com/en/monster-laboratory-scientist-3080733/ https://pixabay.com/en/stop-shield-traffic-sign-road-sign-634941/ https://pixabay.com/en/superman-superhero-cape-sky-1016322/ https://pixabay.com/en/cell-phone-comic-characters-1298944/
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This post has all the ingredients that, in my opinion, deliver a great read to the audience Valeria. It is straight-forward , it adds valuable and practical information to the audience, and it gives us direction. Further, in this kind of discussion I also think it is paramount to invite people to engage in reevaluation. And you did that very subtly and tastefully. I used to believe that with age we naturally get "wiser"; nowadays, I suspect I misunderstood being wiser with being experienced. And I came to that realization as I come across more, and more people in their late 50's, 60's, and 70's who still react and interact with others and their environment pretty much as they did when they were much younger. I suppose our default, in a general way, is to go about life without stopping to think about ourselves, our thought processes and behaviours. Life is simply too busy for that. In the occasion that we finally do it, we do it judgmentally. Patience and kindness are definitely fundamental tools with which we need to equip ourselves to embark on the journey towards self-evaluation and, consequently, adaptive coping strategies. After all, who doesn't want to be a super-granny? 🙃
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>It is straight-forward, it adds valuable and practical information to the audience, and it gives us direction What a succinct guide to writing a worthwhile post. I went to sleep last night a bit discombobulated because I couldn't get a focus on a post. I started to work on another post and was still disorganized. Then, in your comment, I found a formula for writing a worthwhile post: Direct speech, useful information, and a hint about how to move forward. Thanks @abigail-dantes! As for changing while we age--I think it's important for growth of any kind to leave our comfort zone. Habit is the enemy of growth. We won't change unless we seek change. In some cases life circumstances impose change. An example: sometimes when people survive a terrible illness, they speak about how the experienced forced them to reevaluate the way they live and view life. As for using patience and kindness (I'll add forgiveness), I think sometimes it's harder to apply to ourselves than to others. And the goal of being super-granny--nothing more important than that :)
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Oh, What a most wonderful way to finish my day in the office : reading your always heart-warming words! 😍 It is incredibly humbling to hear that **you** found guidance in my comment to get your work going. My Gosh ... YES: *'We won't change unless we seek change'*, although, for that to happen we first need to acknowledge that our ways are not really working for us, or for those we love. For that realization to take place, humility is paramount. But humility is very scarce these days, and like you explained, it mostly emerges when something extreme happens (eg. an illness, an accident). Forgiveness is a very, very important addition to that list. Several studies point to how essential this process is in our lives for subjective well-being to be maintained. The sun is setting over here. It has been a beautiful, fresh day. The first of my favorite month of the year :) So, I better go outside now to appreciate the blue sky for a little while. I will be thinking of you for a while and sending you much love from across the ocean ❤ :)
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I feel addressed by your answer here and want to tell you that I perceive it similar. It definitely is my "default" in many occasions ... I decided to reduce them and be more kind towards myself and others. I chose on having more time and being less busy. Difficult but possible! :) Oh boy, "kindness" is such a big word ... experiencing it, yes that we can make true. You said: > I used to believe that with age we naturally get "wiser"; nowadays, I suspect I misunderstood being wiser with being experienced. And I came to that realization as I come across more, and more people in their late 50's, 60's, and 70's who still react and interact with others and their environment pretty much as they did when they were much younger. Doesn't it matter what you want to see and what you don't want to see and how much you try to discover a surprising potential in an elder? Admittedly, I feel (if I'm not in a good mood myself) that instead of turning to what shaped an old person, I'm more inclined to see him in a way that he didn't learn anything after all. I don't know why this kind of "masochistic joy" to find this confirmed unwise in the other than just the other way around. What about letting this misunderstanding of yours nevertheless be true as just to add the term "potentiality" for wisdom in there? As life experience is a matter of fact - the older you become the more is adding onto your realm of experiences. Isn't there also the more fascinating and learning potential in those who give one a living example of having gained wisdom throughout their lives - no matter how many of them run around? To see that as one box which is constantly filled with those experiences and besides this box another one, which, if you open up to it and look into it, gifts you with what is wise and offers itself for your well being, which leaves you with inspiration as a consequence that you looked inside? The other box, which of course also stands open but one glance and you see that nothing new is offering there. Yet you catch yourself and others to constantly look into it nevertheless and not liking it. ... 😝 I assume every one of us - you, me and the rest of the universe - would like to be asked and encouraged to rummage into those experiences which we found of great inspiration and also intelligent acting to then give this examples to the one who asks as a friend. 🌀 ❤
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> I used to believe that with age we naturally get "wiser"; nowadays, I suspect I misunderstood being wiser with being experienced. I had the very same experience with that issue. I was so surprised when I met the concept of "biological age" and "psychological age". Then everything just fell into the right place. I could explain to myself the inadequate behaviors some people engaged with. Maturity is never a matter of age. I firmly believe that maturity is also a matter of *conscious* never-ending *efforts*. > I suppose our default, in a general way, is to go about life without stopping to think about ourselves, our thought processes and behaviours. Life is simply too busy for that. In the occasion that we finally do it, we do it judgmentally. I never thought of it in this way. But it makes a lot of sense. > In the occasion that we finally do it, we do it judgmentally. I couldn't agree more. Our "default settings" are definitely to be judgmental toward ourselves and others. It takes quite a training and self-control to avoid it and be more open-minded and accepting. > After all, who doesn't want to be a super-granny? 🙃 Well, I suggest we make a "Super-Granny" club :D Thank you for your wonderful comment, dear @abigail-dantes! And thank you a lot for your encouraging words!
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Lessley and Michael have different coping mechanisms used. One is successful and the other is not mainly because Lesley has better-coping behavior. As what I've observed, Michael was not able to adapt to the stress coping mechanism mainly because he avoided it. On the other hand, Lessley was open and accepted the situation and perhaps listened to other peoples advice. For me, it's really important to connect to positive people that will encourage you.
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> Lessley and Michael have different coping mechanisms used. True, they are different. > One is successful and the other is not mainly because Lesley has better-coping behavior. That however is somewhat circular. In the culture we live in one is successful and the other is not. In another culture that stones people to death who would take another partner, and rewards people who pine away forever, Michael would gain the upper hand. Both coping mechanisms evolved, presumably, and therefore they presumably gave some benefit in the past, in some kind of circumstance. Judging them requires much more, I think, than simply observing which one happens to be more successful right now.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts @alexander.alexis!
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> In another culture that *stones people* to death who would take another partner You mean that stones *women* to death :) Yes, I agree that different cultures acquire different behavior. But in this particular case, we discuss how an individual copes with a *certain stressful* event. *Statistically*, the so-called maladaptive coping strategies (like alcohol abuse or social withdrawal) correlate with lower scores in tests on subjective well-being. They also correlate with physical and mental health issues. > Coping strategies are extremely important when it comes to mental health and subjective well-being. Using adaptive coping style may lower the probability of a disease occurrence and may increase the likelihood of achieving and maintaining excellent levels of health and quality of life (3). Nevertheless, maladaptive strategies usually correlate with emotional distress, including symptoms of depression and anxiety, as well as socio-emotional maladjustment (4, 5). Of course, this is only statistics. From an individual perspective, there must be some cases in which alcohol abuse leads to a higher score in personal well-being questionnaires. Statistically, some behaviors lead to a better result in a stressful situation. This is what the article is about. You know, this reminds me of a discussion I had with a work colleague who happens to be a philosopher. We argued about *deviant behavior* amongst teenagers. As you probably guess, he stated that we cannot say which behavior is deviant. On the other hand, I argued that there are particular behaviors that are obviously deviant like taking drugs. What do you think about this issue? :)
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Hello, @acryptolover! I completely agree with you. Other people could be an amazing resource of strengths in difficult situations. Facing a problem instead of avoiding it gives you a better chance of getting your life back. Thank you very much for commenting! I hope the article was helpful! All the best! @insight-out
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It was such a helpful article @insight-out! Thanks really for sharing!
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> Lessley and Michael Lessley got over his wife quickly cos he didn't really love her. He only wanted a placeholder-wife and Adriana is as good as any. Michael on the other hand went full Buddhist on our ass and realized the absolute absurdity of attaching himself to impermanent things. He realized that, since every relation is contingent, having it is pointless. Hey, that's as good an explanation as any :D
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Lol. Of course, it is :D In this case, I would say that Michael adapted better to the stressful event and found a way to feel fulfilled, satisfied and perhaps happy again. So he must have used better (more adaptive) coping strategies. On the other hand, probably Lessley avoided dealing with his issues and found a placeholder wife - Adriana. We could even speculate that he had an issue with being too dependent on his life-partner and he couldn't deal with the situation of being alone/ single. Thus, he probably used an avoiding coping strategy and didn't deal with his dependency. The success of the coping strategy depends on the final result. If the individual feels OK and the distress is gone, so it's OK. Whatever works, right? I was wondering, is their a *permanent thing that worth attaching to*? :) Or if you are a Buddist, you never attach to anything? P.S. How are you doing, btw? I am looking forward to your next part about Sex and the sexes :)
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> The success of the coping strategy depends on the final result. If the individual feels OK and the distress is gone, so it's OK. Whatever works, right? Well I don't know. I was watching the trailer for the new Death Wish (with Bruce Willis) and there was a scene with a psychologist who was telling Bruce Willis (who decided to deal with his issues by taking the law into his hands and killing villains) "whatever you're doing it's working, just keep it up" :D (I'm quoting from memory, but you can look up the trailer, probably the main one on IMDb). > I was wondering, is their a permanent thing that worth attaching to? :) Or if you are a Buddist, you never attach to anything? Well I'm not a Buddhist but I love Buddhism. Depending on where one stands on Buddhism I might praise it or argue against it (like I did with Erica!) Buddhists would probably admit there's some certainties maybe, like math, but perhaps they'd argue that attaching to them might still lead to potential suffering. For example if you get drunk you might get equations wrong, or if you become a mathematician you might get jealous of more accomplished colleagues :D I think they'd argue that practically speaking you should just pay attention to the 4 Noble Truths, which are basically all about impermanence. As I keep reminding Erica, Buddhism is in the end a nihilistic religion, in the sense that its goal is to escape Life, which it deems as a bad thing. "Why not kill themselves then?" you might ask yourself. Well, as all anti-life (to borrow a Nietzschean term) religions, they always got a clause against suicide and killing! In the case of Christianity for instance it's just a sin (how lazy!) In the case of Buddhism it reveals attachment to an outcome and therefore as soon as you're dead you'll just return to serve your sentence in another life, so your killing yourself was pointless. But the goal is to escape and never return, to escape from the 'cycle of birth and rebirth', and that's what Nirvana is all about, and that's what the Buddha achieved: not just the temporary illusory death that suicide achieves, but permanent actual death! :D I'm okay, preparing my next posts amidst many other hobbies that I try to juggle. Thanks for asking :) I like the title Sex and the Sexes! ))
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It is more complicated than it seems, dealing with the strees is practically impossible, every day people are stressed by any circumstance, just as it is easy to stress is also easy to get rid of. However, we must learn to live with this monster. In my case I live in a country where stress is part of our lives, you can stress for any example, I can not find food, medicines, internet service is deficient, electric service does not work properly, I have to do hours to fill my car of fuel and when my car is damaged I do not get spare parts, the money does not reach because the prices increase day by day ... it's crazy! But we must learn to use this monster, in my case I get stressed every day, when I arrive at my house I try to relax a bit like that. Fantastic publication congratulations
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Thank you for your comment, @carloserp-2000! You are right - we must learn to live with the monster and make it a little bit more friendly :) I know that things have been crazy in Venezuela lately. When communism went down in my country things were similar. People's savings were gone over night. All factories were shut down. Many people lost their jobs. Money worthed nothing. At some point in the early nineties, we had coupons so that we could buy the essential things to survive. I remember my father waiting all night long to load fuel in his car. I don't remember much because I was a child and didn't understand what was going on. However, now I cannot even imagine how difficult it was for my parents to take care of their family in the post-communism jungle. But they survived. We survived. I think all this experience made us very resilient. Bulgaria is still the poorest country in the EU, rotting in corruption and bureaucracy. But things are changing slowly. I hope things will change for Venezuela soon! Thanks again for stopping by and thanks a lot for the resteem!
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> I strongly believe that the coping strategies we use are a key to happy and fulfilling lives. I would add that they are sometimes responsible for our misery also. You cannot change the outside world, but you can change your response to it. Healthy coping mechanisms mean healthy life and relationships with others :) You did a **great** job with this article! Thanks for the mention also !
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I think you *can* change the outside world — we've been doing it since the dawn of civilization, and all animals do it too (anthills and whatnot). And changing ourselves is only a manner of speaking, if determinism is true. A tree does not so much change *itself* when it grows as it simply *changes*. So we, too, change according to our combined influences and inheritances. It's something that happens to us, rather than something we do to ourselves.
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> So we, too, change according to our combined influences and inheritances. It's something that happens to us, rather than something we do to ourselves. Well, I don't quite agree. Of course, we change due to the course of time and the experience we have. You used a beautiful metaphor here - like a tree. And most of the time we are not even aware of it. However, I firmly believe that an individual could *consciously* change their beliefs, attitudes, behaviors, and their view of the world. For me, that is where hope lives :D
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> I would add that they are sometimes responsible for our misery also. They are, indeed. > Thanks for the mention also ! No need to thank me. Your work has been an inspiration for me :) Thank **you**! Thanks for your nice words :D
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You gave me much to ponder and to say. I probably use too many words. But was too lazy to cut them short after they had been written. So apologies upfront. > There is no human being on Earth who uses only adaptive coping strategies. We all engage in various behaviors. Some of them are adaptive, others are not. :) Smile. I feel that is true. For this, I use something like a picture of a world where people are all the same, do the same, say, think and feel and if this were so - everything adapts to everything in the exact same way - then we probably wouldn't exist at all. I think it is inherent in all of us to understand when someone is making a healing or a sinister adjustment to stress. I see that you sense that, too. But it is difficult - if not impossible - to define a starting point and an end point. Someone who takes drugs or alcohol to feel relief for themselves - is he acting exclusively destructively? Is it possible, the drug is the only way for a human to act rationally in an irrationality, for what should he be able to say "yes" to when he subjectively doesn't see an offer? Is it not also so, that an addict is a living example and representative of the pain/ignorance surrounding him? > “To expect an addict to give up her drug is like asking the average person to imagine living without all her social skills, support networks, emotional stability and sense of physical and psychological comfort. Those are the qualities that, in their illusory and evanescent way, drugs give the addict. People like Serena and Celia and the others whose portraits have appeared in this book perceive their drugs as their “rock and salvation.” > Thus, for all the valid reasons we have for wanting the addict to “just say no,” we first need to offer her something to which she can say “yes.” We must provide an island of relief. We have to demonstrate that esteem, acceptance, love and humane interaction are realities in this world, contrary to what she, the addict, has learned all her life. It is impossible to create that island for people unless they can feel secure that their substance dependency will be satisfied as long as they need it.” ― Gabor Maté, In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction source: https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/4068613.Gabor_Mat_?page=3 To your question in the end and what I assume you might want to trigger your reader (?): One has to be very careful not to choose a more "superior" one of your two examples in the end. Both people cannot be seen as detached and investigated in their situation then or now, but should be known for how their environment reacts to them. The whole system of family, friends and work colleagues and how they react to each other is significant. This means - as I see it - that although the circumstances are similar (since they can never really be completely the same), what significance it has for one or the other man, how the ex-wife behaved in the conflict, for example what the respective parents or friends said, how supportive or rejecting they appeared in each case, etc. may be decisive for the current situation of the two men. Basically one would not have to look at the man from the outside and take the 60th as set in terms of his well-being, because life is a process and it may be that the one who currently appears to be the loser goes a deeper, more painful way, but afterwards finds his way out of this deep valley and fears with 70 such things as separation and conflict less than the one who in the ten years has found a supposedly more successful strategy to deal with a separation. Who wants to judge this apart from the men themselves? Also, it is never that easy as in your given examples. Which might also be a trick from you ;-) What I did here, were to reveal my process of thinking and noticing a judging part in me who wanted to give the one man a star in success and the other one a minus for his failure. Now, that is not very fair of me, isn't it? What makes a human adapted/unadapted or succeeding cannot objectively be described as this is being done by you and me (with our own subjectivity) and we influence what we perceive through our lenses. In the end, all my words are probably too much and on a deeper basis I just could have said: Forget analysis and become a wise person in understanding and not only "knowing".
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> One has to be very careful not to choose a more "superior" one of your two examples in the end. I'm glad you take a more nuanced approach to this, unlike some of the other readers who immediately side with the 'winner'!
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We weaklings often fall for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwtMrDX2o8 ;-)
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Hey, Erica! You will never believe it but I was actually thinking of you when I decided to add "the case" at the end of the article. I was even tempted to leave you a note at the end of it because I was really curious about your perspective. And I was right. You left an extremely valuable comment. I know that this way of viewing the human psychological world is contrary to your professional and personal perspective. Dissembling personality into its parts is quite the opposite of viewing everything as a system of relations. Still, I think that both perspectives add value to the better understanding of the human psyche. > One has to be very careful not to choose a more "superior" one of your two examples in the end. Both people cannot be seen as detached and investigated in their situation then or now, but should be known for how their environment reacts to them. The whole system of family, friends and work colleagues and how they react to each other is significant. I couldn't agree more. No human being exists alone. We are always in an interaction and in a relation. However, I believe that each of us has a core-Self, consisting of personality traits, beliefs, learned behaviours. Maybe the various systems we are involved provoke different aspects of our core-Selves but within the range of traits, beliefs, behaviours. I think that it is never only you. And it is never only the system. It is you and the system. > life is a process and it may be that the one who currently appears to be the loser goes a deeper, more painful way, but afterwards finds his way out of this deep valley and fears with 70 such things as separation and conflict less than the one who in the ten years has found a supposedly more successful strategy to deal with a separation. Yes, indeed. There is no limit to personal growth. I appreciate that you decided to state it so clearly. One never knows where the journey is going to. There is always *a tomorrow* - a new chance, a new beginning, a new way. > Also, it is never that easy as in your given examples. Which might also be a trick from you ;-) Yes, sadly it is never that simple. However, I simplified the examples on purpose and made them a bit too obvious in order to build a basic understanding and knowledge in the non-professional reader. The aim of the article is to give a simple start in this subject. > noticing a judging part in me who wanted to give the one man a star in success and the other one a minus for his failure. Now, that is not very fair of me, isn't it? What makes a human adapted/unadapted or succeeding cannot objectively be described as this is being done by you and me (with our own subjectivity) and we influence what we perceive through our lenses. I hear you! Wisdom is built upon interaction, experience, thoughts, and discussion. This is what makes one's perspective wider :) Thanks for doing it for me!
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> you will never believe it but I was actually thinking of you when I decided to add "the case" at the end of the article. I was even tempted to leave you a note at the end of it because I was really curious about your perspective. ...laughter - for some reason I knew that :) > Dissembling personality into its parts is quite the opposite of viewing everything as a system of relations. Still, I think that both perspectives add value to the better understanding of the human psyche. Oh you know, when I experience you in such a way that you have an open interest, the method or school is not as important to me as what one can be for each other (for example in our work or private relationships). Those views or schools are good servants to find a position and if they are helpful, it does not matter so much which tag they wear. > However, I believe that each of us has a core-Self, consisting of personality traits, beliefs, learned behaviours. That I am still not certain about. I actually have asked that myself many times: Is there a core? I also think that sometimes people want to cheat their way out by saying: "That's how I am!" And to mean a kind of solid being that doesn't change. That damn thing - I beg your pardon - often causes more nuisance than the other way around. LOL! > Maybe the various systems we are involved provoke different aspects of our core-Selves but within the range of traits, beliefs, behaviours. I think that it is never only you. And it is never only the system. It is you and the system. What is it like when you think that something deeply shakes your chosen identity? An experience of such violence that it throws your previous view of you over the top? If you had something like an unchangeable core, how can the aspects of the self that interact with the respective systems be different at all? To put it another way: if there were a fixed core of identity, what would go in or what would go out, by definition does a core seem to be something like an unchangeable quantity? But what good would it be if it didn't change? More questions than answers you caused me. :) I'd say: if you know human emotions of one person you know them of all. ... I was just thinking that maybe you could think that if you know someone typically (tendencies, habits), you could better estimate them? Yes, I would see that the same way. Fortunately, it's a big surprise that someone who I always assumed would be pitying himself forever, shows a completely different trait. This happened with an important person for me. Whom I hardly recognize anymore. That impressed me very much. Thank you for taking your time to answer me in such a caring way! Say hello to Baby Ru and cuddle him for me.
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I didn't know about these coping differences. Very insightful, my wife would love having it a CBT approach. Brava Val and congrats for a well deserved curie!
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Thank you, @f3nix! :D Next time I will get into specifics. I hope your wife finds it interesting, although she is probably familiar with the matter :)
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