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Bots: FACTS & FIGURES. (Part One) by jackmiller

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Bots: FACTS & FIGURES. (Part One)
Ever since the “Bid Bots” as we call them came out onto the market, there has been a lot of talk about them.
Most of the talk is either pro or anti “Bidbot” with a lot of opinion or partial information that is hard to track or completely left out.

Some time last year I was trying to accumulate first hand data on the id bots, however, due to the simple fact that I didn’t have the finances to do so, I kept my “playing with bots” limited and with all the fluctuations in prices and the overall reduction of bidbots available, this was just not effective.

Prior to Christmas 2018, I was able to get to some fiat and I invested it into Steem. 

Now that I had the money, I could do what I had set out to accomplish over half a year earlier.
However, to be totally honest, I didn’t think of it straight away.

What I initially did was loan out Steem to some of the community and project accounts for them to be promoted.
Note: all profits remaining to the communities and projects being promoted.

While doing so, it occurred to me that this was the perfect opportunity to go the extra mile.

Now, I understand that investing a few thousand Steem into first hand testing of services out there is somewhat risky, but then again, I did say that I was going to do this and relay ALL the Stats and Facts publicly in posts.


There are many aspects to cover in this process, for example:

Invested Steem vs Payouts (aka “profits” or “losses”)
Time invested 
The “Trending” page (as it is called)
Comments, reactions, feedback etc.
An accounts “Reputation” score (affects on etc)

These are just some of the things that are of general interest, then there are the actual bidbots.

I shall not go into any individual bidbot by name. I respect that they are privately owned business ventures and as such need to be addressed professionally.

I shall not at any point impose any of my “opinions” when stating stats and facts.

Any and all suggestions that I may or may not include shall be just that, general suggestions based on the stats and facts, with no intention of presenting them as something that any bidbot owner is expected to take action upon. 

I shall always, when doing this make sure that it is made clear how this hands on testing and all stats and facts are based upon the listed posts at their given time and at the rates at which SBD and Steem were going at the time of using them.

None of the information that I shall relay is being done so with any intention of promoting any service or in any way to be taken as a suggestion to use any service that is out on the free market, including but not limited to the bidbots and other upvoting services offered.

None of these posts are in any which way, form or manner “advice”.

All of the posts in this series are simply relaying Stats and Facts from the listed posts.

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This post with all this said shall be a part of this series and as such is a part of ALL future posts in the series of posts in which I shall be addressing this topic.

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The original post in which I announced that I shall be doing this is:

Experimenting With Bots & The Importance of Communtiy Bots (Services).
https://steemit.com/bots/@jackmiller/experimenting-with-bots-and-the-importance-of-communtiy-bots-services

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#### Why didn’t I mention anything about all this prior to proceeding with it?

My logic was rather simple.

I will give an example that most people have heard of to date.

A Mystery Diner, Restaurant Critic, Inspector, Reviewer or whatever else these people do.
They don’t announce to the restaurant owners that they are coming in for a meal, now do they!

For obvious reasons.
They want to experience the service first hand, as a consumer.

OK, maybe that wasn’t the best of examples, but it does get my point across.

Here is another example.

A test shopper in a store.

None of the staff in a store know of this person, not even the store manager.

This way it is assured that they get the real experience, without any possibility of  any interference from anyone during their “consumer experience”.

Either one, which ever you feel can be used as a good parallel.

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#### Where am I up to at this point?


I do believe that I have only 3 posts left upon which I need to use bidbots so as to e able to collect all the precise data needed for me to finish off what I started.

So why am I writing about it now and not after the fact?

Well, on Thursday I should be participating in the SOS show, held by @pennsif.
& I wanted to ensure that it was all made open to the public prior to the show. 
At one stage there I was considering “announcing it” during the show, but that could have been considered to be “self promotion” and abuse of the air time. So I decided not to go down that path. Hence this post.

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What posts to date shall the stats be collected from?

Here is the list of posts to date:

@UMVbot - Military Veterans of Steem - Upvote Bot - Update - 15 December 2018.
https://steemit.com/veterans/@umvbot/umvbot-military-veterans-of-steem-upvote-bot-update-15-december-2018

@UMVbot - Military Veterans of Steem - Upvote Bot - Update - 23 December 2018.
https://steemit.com/veterans/@umvbot/umvbot-military-veterans-of-steem-upvote-bot-update-23-december-2018

Merry Christmas, Seasons Greetings, Happy Holidays
https://steemit.com/veterans/@shadow3scalpel/merry-christmas-seasons-greatings-happy-holidays

Merry Christmas, Seasons Greetings, Happy Holidays
https://steemit.com/veterans/@shadow3scalpel/merry-christmas-seasons-greatings-happy-holidays

@LIFESAVERS • A Way to Give Credit Where Credit Is Due! ♥️ Our Way of Saying THANKS!
https://steemit.com/lifesavers/@lifesavers/lifesavers-a-way-to-give-credit-where-credit-is-due-love-our-way-of-saying-thanks

HAPPY NEW YEAR from @LIFESAVERS - STEEM ON!
https://steemit.com/lifesavers/@lifesaver/happy-new-year-from-lifesavers-steem-on

@Witnesspage - Update
https://steemit.com/witness/@witnesspage/witnesspage-update

CONTEST: 150 STEEM - "PROMOting STEEM" - GO 4 IT! (Closes 31 December)
https://steemit.com/promo-steem/@steemaustralia/3dv7fn-contest-150-steem-promoting-steem-go-4-it-closes-31-december

WE WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS! & A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
https://steemit.com/christmas/@millers/we-wish-you-a-merry-christmas-and-a-happy-new-year

Photo Story Telling of Christmas 2018
https://steemit.com/photo/@millers/photo-story-telling-of-christmas-2018

@millers - Family Budgeting, Financial Plans & Goals of 2018 Recap.
https://steemit.com/budgeting/@millers/millers-family-budgeting-financial-plans-and-goals-of-2018-recap
"Goodnight Post" - Those Were The Days My Friends!
https://steemit.com/funnies/@mypics/goodnight-post-those-were-the-days-my-friends

@jackmiller & @millers WISHING EVERYONE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
https://steemit.com/happynewyear/@mypics/jackmiller-and-millers-wishing-everyone-a-happy-new-year


New Years Resolution (G'DAY Post) - "BUGGER ME"
https://steemit.com/funnies/@mypics/new-years-resolution-g-day-post-bugger-me

The Advantages Of Having A Muck Around Account! (G'DAY POST)
https://steemit.com/funnies/@mypics/the-advantages-of-having-a-muck-around-account-g-day-post

Why I Want An Account For Having Fun & Enjoying My Steemian Experience. by @jackmiller
https://steemit.com/steemian/@mypics/why-i-want-an-account-for-having-fun-and-enjoying-my-steemian-experience-by-jackmiller

Have You Heard About The "TOO NUTS" Show Yet?
https://steemit.com/toonuts/@mypics/have-you-hear-about-the-too-nuts-show-yet

Spunkee Monkee Kickstarter Promotion
https://steemit.com/steemians/@mypics/spunkee-monkee-kickstarter-promotion

There Are Many Things That I Love About Being An Aussie! (Goodnight Post)
https://steemit.com/funny/@mypics/there-are-many-things-that-i-love-about-being-an-aussie-goodnight-post

Would You Like To Make "@fundraisers" Happen on Steem? WELL IF YOU DO, THEN READ THIS.
https://steemit.com/business/@fundraisers/would-you-like-to-make-fundraisers-happen-on-steem-well-if-you-do-then-read-this

Would You Like To Make "@classifieds" Happen on Steem? WELL IF YOU DO, THEN READ THIS.
https://steemit.com/business/@classifieds/would-you-like-to-make-classifieds-happen-on-steem-well-if-you-do-then-read-this

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#### What accounts shall the expected three posts be posted by?

2 more by @mypics & possibly one by my testing account @labrat
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#### What am I going to do with any profits (if they exist)?

I will probably do one of two things, either donate them or delegate them, idk, but I do know that I shall use them to help out community projects. 
As I have done with a lot of my Steem to date. As I say, “I can always earn more, so why not”.
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#### Who am I going to tag in this post?

I have decided to tag some of the relevant people out there, who I know won’t go around talking about it.
As from what I see, I seriously doubt that this post shall be read y many people and the fact that I won’t be sharing it to the account @mypics reduces any potential “influence”. (Based on what I have seen to date).

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I wish to again state that this is not a “witch hunt” of any sort, nor shall any “opinions” as such be put forwards.
It is for the sole purpose of ensuring that a consumer experience, along with all the relevant stats and facts are presented transparently, openly and publicly.
Likewise, the goal of this testing is to help ensure first hand precise information be available so that it can be used for the good of all Steemians.

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I guess the following parties should be made aware of this endeavour:

@pennsif , @steemcleaners ,  @patrice , @guiltyparties , @whatsup , @anthonyadavisii , 

& these two accounts that I am not sure of exactly who they are, but saw that some troll was calling upon them in the comments of one post: @steemflagrewards , @abusereports  



If any of these persons or groups want to contact me, please do so at any time via Discord, same name and surname/ username, I’m no “phantom”.
Likewise, now that I have a precise source of data, if there is anything that you would like me to look into and extract from this testing process, please forward me what it is and if I haven’t already got it on my list I will add it (if it is possible).

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Glad to have finally been able to get the job done without any hickups and except for a few frustrating trolls here and there who aroused my need to let off some steam because of their lack of ability to look any further than what was in front of their noses, it has gone very smoothly and I truly believe that this shall help everyone on Steem as far as Bidbots, Bots and “Trending” are concerned.

Without any “hearsay” all backed with Tx # (data from the blockchain).

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Appreciate your time, hope to get all this finished NLT by the end of next week and then start presenting the results and data to the public without the “FUD”.

PS. I deliberately did not include any "clickbait" type of graphics in this post. For obvious reasons, I am also interested in seeing some of the stats from this post, based on the behavioral patterns I have seen on the above listed posts. So that I can make a clear comparison later on. ;)
 

Yours truly


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@anthonyadavisii · (edited)
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Funny story, recently coined an acronym /term for what you are doing.

<sub>Because you know how us military types love our acronyms! 😉</sub>

## B.A.S.P.

**Bot-Assisted ShitPosting**:

_The practice of using bots on minimal effort and / or low quality user contributions with the intention of increasing the payout above what would generally be considered reasonable._

You've already caught a downvote from a Top 10 witness [@ausbitbank](https://steemit.com/@ausbitbank) ([Witness Voting Link](https://steemconnect.com/sign/account-witness-vote?witness=ausbitbank&approve=1)) so maybe you should be rethinking the ethics of your strategy here.

What it seems you are doing boils down to BASP with the justification of "testing" and raising funds for projects.

You know there are many undervalued projects on this chain. What makes you think you or yours are special that you can rationalize taking from the reward pool in this manner.

I don't know if you are working some agreement with your friends to do so but it counter to the goal of any project owner that is trying to raise rewards using proof-of-brain to do so.

[@steemflagrewards](https://steemit.com/@steemflagrewards) and [@sfr-mod-fund](https://steemit.com/@sfr-mod-fund) grind away for the SP they get and we rely in proof-of-brain over proof-of-bot. Every BASP you have in [@mypics](https://steemit.com/@mypics) comments is an affront to the hard work of proof-of-brain aligned projects and communities.

I will bringing this to light in hopes of your repentance. Remember what I said about being a Blue Falcon? That's basically how I see it until I see more information.

Screwing over a larger community to benefit the interests of a subset. That is where you and I differ. My interests are that of the larger community versus any faction or tribe.

That is the [@steemflagrewards](https://steemit.com/@steemflagrewards) way and we have partners dispersed throughout various places and communities. Our goal is to make abuse an unprofitable venture broadly across the platform.

As we grow, our platform reaps the fruits of proof of brain but we are going to do it the right way. Not like this.
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@jackmiller ·
Well, idk what posts you are talking about and no, I didn't notice ABBs downvotes, must have been while I was either asleep or out registering my car today.

I asked you for two weeks, so that you can see the results and you couldn't do it.

Sorry.

I tagged you, so that you see it and if you read the post from 8 months ago, you would see that it isn't a joke or abuse or anything of the sort.

In fact the first community bots set up with community governance were set up by myself, using all the suggestions made by those who don't judge, but review and analyze.

As for "centralized" self proclaimed police forces, I see how they can be useful, but again, even though technology moves forwards, human nature obviously doesn't.

Cheers and good luck with your "mission" to downvote anything that you or others around you consider to be not worthy a vote as per "your opinions".

Centralization of what should be decentralized, absolutely fantastic.

This is the last you have literally heard from me on anything, as you couldn't even hold up for 2 weeks.

PS. Where did you serve?

I see you have USMC written on your wall.

Just out of interest.
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@enforcer48 ·
> Cheers and good luck with your "mission" to downvote anything that you or others around you consider to be not worthy a vote as per "your opinions".

Platform working as intended.
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@grow-pro ·
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Looking forward to seeing the data! 
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I’m bias so I chained up my opinion (for science). Here’s a visual representation of my Hypothesis:
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😆
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@jackmiller ·
Nope, no bias, will address each and every topic one by one when all posts are finalized.

Thanks for your help in all this, sometimes even the simplest of tasks gets a little overwhelming, especially with all the FUD flying around lately!
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@grow-pro ·
Nothing speaks like the cold, hard facts, M8 ✌️😎
Looking forward to seeing that presentation!
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@j85063 ·
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Looking forward to the results.

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@jackmiller ·
I was hoping to have the posting/bidbotting side of things all completed before tomorrow, but there is no way that I can get it done as things stand right now with some of the payouts and powerdowns all waiting to happen.

But that too is a part of the stats and info/facts that I am monitoring, so it all adds to the final review of the different related topics that I will be presenting.

No more "talking", just facts and figures, so that anyone who wants to talk about them can refer to these and have all the backing behind it.

Like I said, "no taking sides" in this. Just facts/stats and figures.
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@steevc ·
$0.06
My main issue with the bots is that the posts using them take so much of the rewards. There are people using them on every post. Some do it to stay on trending, but others just seem to be after whatever profit they can make without caring if anyone reads their posts. Either way it's the vote sellers who win.
👍  , ,
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@jackmiller · (edited)
$0.02
We all have justifiable opinions and no matter what our opinions may be, I have not seen anything lately that was based on actual hands on usage and then relaying the information publicly. 

It isn't "cheap" to do, but I do hope that it was/is worth it, so that when in future people go into the topic they shall have something transparent, open and public to refer to.

I have tried to cover as many of the voting services out there in this little exercise without holding back on any of them.

So at least the stats and figures I put out are backed and I will include as many Tx #'s as necessary, so that everyone can see the facts on the blockchain.
👍  
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@steevc ·
I'm going by what I see every day. I never buy votes, so I don't know how profitable they are. Some operate blacklists for the worst offenders, but many don't. I believe its justifiable to flag over-promoted posts to adjust their rewards.

Good luck with your project
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