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Land SPS distributed to those who have surveyed - (A Splinterlands Proposal) by jarvie

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· @jarvie · (edited)
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Land SPS distributed to those who have surveyed - (A Splinterlands Proposal)
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**INTRO**
This is intended to be a temporary proposal that would last until the Splinterlands team creates a new proposal that implements what they shared in the Land 1.5 Whitepaper. @yabapmatt has indicated the changes indicated in this proposal would take very little work by the Splinterlands team. However it is up to the stake holders to decide if they would like this ~4 month change. 

# WHAT
This proposal is a simple change that states:
```~Subscript~
SPS designated for distribution to land holders should be distributed only to those who have surveyed their land.

```


# HOW
**IF** surveying is live **AND IF** this proposal passes
**THEN** each surveyed land plot will receive a proportion of the the SPS pool (designated for land) equal to the proportion of surveyed land. 

# WHEN
**This proposal would last from when surveying starts until a new more advanced proposal takes over.**
- This is estimated to be approx. 4months
- Surveying is estimated to begin the end of this month (march)
- A new SPS distribution system is estimated to begin June/July 



# WHY
- This proposal would align the SPS reward structure with the most up to date land products.
- It should speed up the process 
A. Claiming deeds / Getting the land-location you have been waiting for 
B. Surveying 
C. Purchasing surveying starter packs that the community already voted for 
D. Arriving at DEC par value (through quicker purchase of starter packs)

# WHY NOT
- Users who do not want to claim a deed (a location in Praetoria) in the next ~4 months or do not believe this proposal would accelerate the claiming process to get them the location they want may not be interested in this proposal. 
- Those hoping to get DEC at lower rates and need more time may be against acceleration of getting DEC to par value before they can get what they need. (If they assume this will accelerate and increase the consumption of DEC for starter packs)

There may be more WHY and WHY NOT in the comments.
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@aironeous ·
If you have ever played any other landlord crypto game it requires regular ongoing attention. If there is no attention/upkeep your properties start loosing value and producing less. So I am voting yes on this.
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@analrapist · (edited)
Hard disagree on this, just feels like a group of insiders voting to allocate themselves some time on the printing press before the other landholders who aren't actively involved don't notice and miss out.

I don't even own land, this doesn't impact me in the slightest, but we need to say no to all "quickly decide to allocate stuff from a general pool to the people who happened to do this one thing that wasn't previously laid out that it needed to be done."

This is pure insider nonsense. But of course it will sadly pass because those landholders who haven't been active and surveying won't be around to vote no.

Out of principle we should be against things like this that alter the terms after the fact. Imagine if you bought high dividend stock in a company and didn't attend their annual meeting and they decided at the annual meeting that anyone who wasn't present at the meeting would not be eligible to collect dividends. This is no different. Pure shady and dishonest insider shenanigans.
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@bronko ·
do you realize that the sps airdrop does not actually exist. it was only introduced because of a proposal and the waiting time.
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@analrapist · (edited)
You're missing the point entirely, out of moral principle we shouldn't be voting to only benefit those who are present to vote. This is simply a brazen attempt to exclude others who bought in.

This is how you kill an ecosystem and cut off growth by upsetting a lot of people who already bought in but weren't "active enough" by a few insider standards.

If we are cutting out even the people who bought in then why on earth would they ever buy in further or invite others to join?
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@azircon ·
I am trying to understand the pros and cons of this. The text above didn’t make it clear for me.

For clarification:

I am a land owner. I already receive SPS  for my land holdings. I have converted my land tokens to land deeds already and will survey all my deeds. How does it impact me if the proposal passes or doesn’t pass?
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@analrapist ·
It's a well worded way of saying "let's cut off those people who aren't active enough to read this and vote no"

Out of principle we should be against things like this that alter the terms after the fact. Imagine if you bought high dividend stock in a company and didn't attend their annual meeting and they decided at the annual meeting that anyone who wasn't present at the meeting would not be eligible to collect dividends. This is no different. Pure shady and dishonest insider schenanagins.
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@azircon ·
The proposal will pass
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@coldaz ·
I agree with you 100% even for those who are paying attention it is still not that obvious for land 
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@fighter4-freedom ·
It should help you get more of the SPS dropped daily. Since there are bound to be some people who don't claim and survey and they would be ineligible.
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@kingsclown ·
People who have not surveyed their deeds will cease getting payouts, therefore the pool will only be distributed amongst those who have.  The likely outcome with you surveying 1000 plots would be a larger share of the SPS pool until everyone has surveyed.
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@azircon ·
Well. I guess it's fine then. Maybe the purpose of this proposal is discouraging "not surveying"? Maybe land token flipping? I am cool with this. Likely will pass
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@bcarolan639 ·
Add it to GLX lps to stabilize them a bit with rewards since pretty much all sps holders are getting glx lets add that amount to the lp pools sps/glx and any others as a lp reward to add liquidity making it more attractive to do so.
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@bronko ·
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i don't think there is a sensible or logical argument for no. i can only think of egoistic motives for saying no!
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@digitspin ·
I can... We have no idea how much the survey tax will cost.  Did I miss something that has the pricing?
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@coldaz ·
Those who are voting yes are just looking at their increased sps air drops the reall game about land is in developing it and that we will see when it is actually finished, processes are coming in bits and pieces which makes it difficult to predict what your land is going to be even strategy is difficult to make about land at the moment because no one knows the actual outcome of it if people are not surveying their land that should not stop the development of land but i feel like the team is forcing people to move each step with them. I think if land was a finished product by now there was no need for this proposal. finish development first and we will survey knowing our expected outcomes basing on what will be there. At the moment land is a pure speculation thing i think 
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@davemccoy ·
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My objection to the proposal has been overcome by @jarvie's point about DEC-B only being available through April 9th.

Almost everyone that is paying attention will make a decision about the starter packages by the April 9th deadline to purchase the DEC-B since it will give them a 20% discount.

Therefore, I have switched my votes to YES for this proposal and glad to support it!!!
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@dstampede ·
Im reading the splinterlands post that linked this proposal, but what happens to plots that were not claimed until idk what date?
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@femisapiens ·
Terrible, selfish idea

Truly appalled at the greed.
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@analrapist ·
100%, the real issue with voting power being directly attributed to staked sps is that a handful of whales can determine all results and thus will propose and vote to enact whale friendly policies

would love to see a change where staked sps is scaled logarithmically or just capped. For example, someone with 100 staked SPS doesn't have 100x more voting power than someone with 1 staked SPS but more like 10x or 20x.

but of course it's a waste of DEC to propose this because nothing will pass without whale approval and no whale will vote to neuter their voting power
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@michealb ·
$0.18
>but of course it's a waste of DEC to propose this because nothing will pass without whale approval and no whale will vote to neuter their voting power

it's a waste of Dec cause people then just split up their accounts into 100 smaller ones etc. Whales have more to lose, gain from decisions made. I haven't seen any 'loose cannons' yet just people with different ideas
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@jarvie ·
$0.30
Speaking of greed... those who do NOT vote for this proposal may qualify as greedy in our opinions. 

The SPS airdrop for land was meant to be an intermediary step (as a side note that proposal in my opinion should have never happened but people voted on it because "hey free money" and i have come to terms with it) but the  concept of getting money for no action simply holding something most people bought a long time ago seems greedy.

It seems that SPS should go to those who actually participate in Land not simply hold it. SPS goes to those who play. Those who risk by putting into the liquidity pools or those who risk staking for 4weeks (which btw is not that big of a risk)

 Well for many months people got money just for holding land because real land usage didn't exist and there was no way to participate. My only regret was not doing this proposal like 1-2 months ago when deeds came out. But when surveying comes out people can and should participate in interacting with land. 

There is a case for saying that: Wanting more SPS and NOT participating is the real GREED!

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@holoz0r ·
$0.14
I agree Jarvie, its clear that the people who have voted no to this proposal are not prepared to survey and get their land working immediately :) 

The wonderful thing about blockchain is that everything is transparent and motive and be inferred. :) 
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@jarvie ·
But i'm interested in hearing from @davemccoy ... he doesn't strike me as being this greedy maybe he just doesn't understand the "money for nothing" greed I see when people vote against the proposal. 
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@fighter4-freedom ·
$1.13
Another reason why.
The community voted to start the SPS drop to land holders in large part because land has been delayed for sooooo long. Now that the process of getting land going is well under way, it doesn't make sense to be rewarding people who are not actively wanting to participate in the latest updates.
This SPS was originally intended to be ONLY for people actively working their land. This proposal is in line with the original intended purpose of this SPS.
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@bigdizzle91 ·
"The process of getting land going is well under way"
So still not here?
Give me land, usable land. Then I will consider "participating in updates"

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@digitspin ·
I agree it great to reward those involved.
But How can you vote yes for this forced land tax to get SPS when you have no idea how much itll cost.

Bad Idea till pricing for surveying is defined.

Or did I miss something that stated the cost?
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@holoz0r ·
$0.21
Agree 100% 
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@mister-rko ·
Why force to play it does not make sense even for your brains Freedom I follow you for years ;)
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@omegasplinter ·
$0.10
Agreed.
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@palasatenea ·
$0.38
Couldn't agree more with this, give the SPS to people participating also encourages claiming land, otherwise, we will be in Land for posterity much more time. Enough is enough.
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@golfcain0001 ·
$0.12
The white paper was shock to some with the amount of DEC which will be required to survey your land , i feel this proposal has merits but for myself i do not have 2m DEC lying about to purchase the build and time crystal starter packs for each land. Which i will need to, to make sure i have for my best plots. A gradual surveying of my land would have happened but i lose out on SPS rewards if i do it that way now if this passes.
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@h3llowizard ·
I still don't understand Surveying.

If any plot can be surveyed, there might be some issues.

If a tract has a keep already, there is no reason for someone to survey their plot at the current region/tract.  

I don't know if there are any guardrails in place?
Plot land can only be surveyed if part of a complete tract exists.

Castle/Keep are pre-determined to be on a specific location, you don't want to let anyone survey the land on an ongoing tract that is still partially claimed.  Does anyone have any more insight into this?
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@h3llowizard ·
I still don't understand Surveying.

If any plot can be surveyed, there might be some issues.

If a tract has a keep already, there is no reason for someone to survey their plot at the current region/tract.  

I don't know if there are any guardrails in place?
Plot land can only be surveyed if part of a complete tract exists.

Castle/Keep are pre-determined to be on a specific location, you don't want to let anyone survey the land on an ongoing tract that is still partially claimed.  Does anyone have any more insight into this?
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@holoz0r ·
$0.39
I'm all for people getting off their backsides and surveying their land. Go, touch grass. Don't sit on parcels of undeveloped land. It'll be an eyesore among my towering structures. :)
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@jarvie ·
$0.65
As a disclosure I have a region that I have not yet claimed and i have specific area i'm hoping to get ... and so there is a chance i would be negatively impacted by this proposal. And yet I'm still happy to vote for it for the greater good.
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@digitspin ·
why would you vote to give away your SPS reward to Big wallet players?
Did I miss something?
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@yanbima ·
why you are so cool, amazing personality.
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@joshman ·
$0.59
At first glance this makes a lot of sense. If you want to be rewarded in land 1.5, you need to participate. 
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@lookplz ·
$0.13
Why: Why not? :D

lol
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@lookplz ·
In all honesty, I'm torn, acceleration is appealing but so is letting things come to terms at their own pace. It's a 50/50 split for me on which I prefer. They both have benefits and both have drawbacks. I guess we'll see what the consensus is. 🤔
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@maximusmx ·
This makes a lot of sense!  Helps align "productive" actions in the ecosystem with rewards - something Splinterlands should be all about.
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@michealb ·
$0.13
see benefits / reasons to vote both ways.



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@mister-rko ·
Such a dead community
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@nebulusx ·
This makes perfect sense. YES
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@nytehawker · (edited)
My position. People are waiting for specific areas on the map are now forced to claim and survey to continue rewards (from what I am understanding) or wait and potentially miss out on rewards. If we had had access to all tracts and parts of the map to pick our locations and we'd all be ready to go for this proposal. The flip side is maybe this will speed up unlocking the Wild Northeast where I want to claim but it's a no guarantee time frame. I feel like people like myself will potentially get punished for having to wait (even if it's sped up, there is no guarantee my position will be open when the rewards pass on to surveyed status) while others who have already secured their locations benenfit from being able to progress and get rewarded and call greed on those of us for being hesistent to a proposal that would see them unjustly ripped away from rewards? Maybe I'm reading the proposal wrong but that's how I see it. And maybe I wont be affected and misunderstand the proposal. But some of us do want to wait for our location and are ready to survey but will potentially stripped of rewards citing we are not active enough for not claiming yet while more than half the map remains unclaimed? Come on that's a cop out statement and while it will absorb assumed dead weight rewards, those of us who have been waiting patiently for our area to become available will now be acceptable collateral absorbing our rewards too because our desired location isn't available yet? That is where I take issue.
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@sharkmonsters ·
I did vote for this, but I could definitely understand why someone who wanted to hold off on surveying their land would vote against it. 
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@splex.proposals · (edited)
Proposal 8444
Thank you for participating in SPS DAO Governance @jarvie!
You can place or monitor SPS Stake Weighted votes for and against this proposal at the link below:
[Link to this Pre-Proposal](https://splex.gg/proposals/8444)

> ***This Pre-Proposal is over!***
> 846 Users voted with 3% of the staked SPS supply at that time!

*Updated At: 2023-03-26 18:49 UTC*

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@therealwolf ·
$0.20
The proposal could be a reason for people to get incentivised to claim their deeds, thus speeding up the process. Though I'd argue that the 60 days drop-off for the starter packages is also an incentive.

With this said, the lack of non-cards asset locking would be an argument against this proposal, since I would have to move my land to my hot-wallet without any mechanism to lock my surveyed land.
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@thorlock ·
$0.40
It's a yes from me.  I don't see a drawback. It encourages people to survey their lands right away instead of waiting and also get the dec/dec-b they need.  Anything that helps us burn through some DEC faster I am for.  
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