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RE: Why the Steemwhales are upvoting Crap instead of Your Masterpiece - And why you should be Happy About it by johnsmith

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· @johnsmith · (edited)
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I wish I could figure out how to get a golf clap GIF for you, but apparently I suck, so I upvoted you instead.

You are, of course, completely right! But the world is a shitty and barren wasteland where dreams go to die and cockroaches thrive. 

So there was this thing called Facemash. Facemash was pretty simple - a college guy created an algo that gave college girls a numerical rating based on their physical attractiveness. Don't know the details, but basically a boner was a 10 and it went down from there. You get the idea.

So Facemash represents everything you just threw up all over - sexist, unfair, immature, exploiting, full of creepy guys. They didn't even pay the girls. Assholes. And you know what happened?

Yeah. Facebook happened. Facebook being the largest and most successful social media platform on the planet. And it didn't happen because all the girls called Zuckerberg a creep and left for the moral high ground.

Facebook is a veritable Victorian cess pool of creeps, fat white dudes, sock puppets, stalking, scheming and general human awefulness. Personal note, I had to sign up for a Facebook account to get a Steemit account and I'm still pissed off about it. I don't do reddit either, and needed karma, which I couldn't get fast enough, so had to give Facebook my phone number. WTF?

Where was I? Oh right. You're right. But humans are greedy and shallow and crave attention and money like a crack addict craves crack. So you're wrong, too.

Excellent comment, and thank you for taking the time to get it all out. Probably one of the best lessons in life is that you can't change people. They are who they are and as much as you want them to be something else they never will be no matter how hard you try. Same deal with the human race. You need to work with both sides, know and accept them for what they are, and not judge. For the love of god, don't judge. 

Zuck would probably give the chick in a bikini at the top of your post a 9, btw. Just sayin'.
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@apocaloptimisto ·
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So fecesbook blows and you're pissed that you had to sign up but steemit is going to turn into the new fecesbook and you're all psyched about it?

What about letting the greedy shallow humans keep playing on fecesbook and reddit and steering steemit in a direction that plucks the apples from the cesspool and provides them with the community and capital they need to develop projects that at least have some chance of making the world a better place?

So far, I haven't found your critical thinking skills or ethics to be very inspiring.  You'll probably do really well here if the whales don't wake up and reverse course!
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@johnsmith · (edited)
Fecesbook... awesome.

But I coudn't ride  your train all the way to the station. I'm not advocating, I'm postulating. 

You need to read the end of the OP again for the punch line. What I'm saying is that what you want is what is being done but because smart intellectual types don't generally do well running business they are confused and upset by how this business is being bootstrapped into an economy that can support smart intellectual types.

In time Steemit will probably become exactly what you and others like  you envision. But it's crawl before you walk. What you're asking for is actually more like flying. So there's a lot of dirty, grimy, smelly work to do before we can put on the white gloves.
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@apocaloptimisto ·
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Again, you're contradicting yourself. 

Crawling would be carefully curating to build the most intelligent, ethical, and innovative userbase slowly.  Flying is trying to attract a billion dolts in a month.

You're probably a fucking robot anyway....
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@apocaloptimisto · (edited)
No reply link on your ant post.  Ants are pests and mess up huge areas of land because civilization destroys and domesticates their natural predators.  Elephants are beautiful, create awesome soil, and set a great example as to how to live sustainably and peacefully as nomadic foragers and are only struggling because civilization creates sociopathy and psychopathy and rewards those traits.  It would weigh less on my conscience if I killed a human than an elephant but I kill billions of ants a year, just so plants will grow.  If you're excited about ant world, I genuinely hope that you are able to enjoy that world from inside a server sometime soon, before the ant people destroy everything.
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@johnsmith · (edited)
Biology is fun - you know what is thriving? Ants. Freaking ants are everywhere. They aren't particularly smart but man, somehow, they thrive and blanket the earth with their antness. There's like a billion of them born every month and they will probably never go extinct. You could almost say the ants have conquered the earth.

You know what is not thriving? Elephants. They are slow, they are smart and they are all stuck together in one little spot. You could probably say that elephants have not conquered the world and won't anytime soon.

Yes, this is a social media allegory involving ants and elephants.

If you want to bootstrap a new ecosystem, you breed ants. Not elephants. You get millions of ants in a few months but only one elephant after decades. I will be eating ant pancakes while you try desperately not to butcher a baby elephant. 

Ants are kind of gross and creepy, elephants are majestic and awesome. But which one wins the evolutionary race?
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@johnsmith · (edited)
Yeah, no reply link on your server post either. Weird. We must be overloading Steemit with the epic volume of excellent comments.

I'm right there with you. I have had this huge infestation of ants in my front lawn for years. Can't kill the bastards. They kill my grass and make a mess on the sidewalk. Ants are assholes. But they are successful assholes that keep growing no matter what sort of Home Depot horrors we bring to bear on their creepy little ant asses. 

There's what we'd like the world to be and there's what the world is. Ants are thriving and elephants are... not. I'd be ecstatic if that was the other way around. So would my lawn.

I'm not worried about the ant people destroying everything and having to shack up in a server. They're all too busy getting rich by posting packing lists on Steemit. ;)
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@steemiest ·
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@johnsmith ·
Why thank you. I'm not sure what question you answered, but it looks very helpful. And I like him. So I upvoted your post.
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@steemiest ·
I answered your question, John Smith:

"I wish I could figure out how to get a golf clap GIF for you, but apparently I suck, so I upvoted you instead."
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@steemiest · (edited)
@JohnSmith... you said that you couldn't figure out hot to get a golf clap GIF.   I was showing you how.  : )

Make me a dolphin!!!!
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@thedaddy ·
Totally disagree and here's why... 

https://steemit.com/opinion/@thedaddy/the-potential-steemit-content-crisis
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@johnsmith ·
Great post, upvoted! You're a Step 2 kinda guy, and I respect that.
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@williambanks ·
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The "chick in the bikini" is just Melissa Schwartz a good friend of mine.  It's no bikini, although she can choose what she wants to wear.  That's the photo she asked me to post because she didn't like the red wig photo.  She's a grown woman, a known photographer and videographer who's work was the subject of this month's Laika magazine cover.
http://www.laikamagazine.com/

She wants to join, but can't right now because ill guided attempts at marketing this platform have resulted in an influx of catfish and spammers that the system apparently can't handle.  Meaning legitimate new users are left out in the cold.

As for facebook, the difference is that Facebook already had the mind share.  They had it long before they opened to the public.

Facemash was quickly taken down for violation of terms of use of the computer network at harvard.  

Facebook was created as a MySpace for Harvard students and alums and was invite only for quite awhile.

I'm not judging you.  

I'm explaining that your post directly cost steem close to 30 users, mostly female between the ages of 18 and 24.  The demographic you claim you're trying to attract.

I was showing my daughter the platform while it's closed to new users.  She came across your post.
You lost upwards of 30 actual potential users from this posting alone.
Not because of anything I said, but because you underestimate the intelligence of the audience who is reading what you write.

My daughter, her friends?  They think you're a creep.  To quote her *I think he's got something I don't want to catch, issues*

The whole line of thinking in posts like these is sociopathic.  
That doesn't mean you're a sociopath.  In fact I'm sure you're a jolly fellow and if we met in person we would probably get a beer together.  But you are espousing a viewpoint that is in line with the views a sociopath would tend to hold.

You can in fact change people.  Moving hearts and minds through powerful, persuasive arguments and appealing to the inner good in people is done every single day.  You need to have the one thing that is lacking in people with sociopathic tendencies though... Empathy.

Put yourself in the mind of the people you are trying to bring to the platform.  What do they want to see?  Then build it for them and they will come.  But you have to leave the doors open.

Right now money is being spent to attract people.  It's your money too.  

People aren't going to go "ooh goody steemit is finally open, I hope they let me join!".  They're saying, "Wow that was a neat experiment, too bad I missed out and they had to shutter it like that.  I don't want to burn my social cachet by being associated with it, so I guess I'll just give it a pass".
Or worse...

"Yeah  right, some mommy blogger made $10k overnight?  Where have I seen that before?  Oh yeah, every scam ad ever!"

See my point?  Money is being flushed down the toilet and  you're encouraging the whales, which you evidently are one of, to keep doing so.

You can do it, but you'll build a reputation you'll never be able to live down while you watch the price of steem catch up to that of bitshares.

Thanks for the upvote BTW.  None of this is personal.  You guys have your platform, it's neat.  Reminds me a bit of  Friendster and MySpace back in the day.

I am really curious to see how a social media platform built, run, managed and curated by people who hate social media & social networking will play out.  If nothing else it's an interesting social experiment.
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@cryptoiskey ·
it actually just took me like 30 seconds to figure out where to comment.....great post and on top of the world..Fast becoming a Steem Jedi!
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@johnsmith ·
It's taken me like 6 hours to figure out where to comment on all these awesome comments. I've have scrolled at least 23 miles up and down this page.

Thank you for your feedback. Post is standing on the shoulders of the community, so yes, on top of the world!
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@johnsmith · (edited)
$1.57
This is why Steemit is going to be a force to be reckoned with!

We are having a pretty high-level conversation on the morality of reward allocations and their impact on a project that may become a major part of the human experience.

Now, we are having this conversation at my house instead of your house. And there's a lot of people watching us... and listening.

And we are both articulate. Sensitive. Producing quality content that raises questions, gets the blood moving and pushes boundaries.

So we have transitioned from boobs to brains... very successfully and in a very short time. My house is now full of good people debating an important issue in a constructive way. And it's benefiting the community, as this issue is bothering a lot of people who are trying really hard to be recognized for their work.

You're right and I'd love to see this economy bootstrapped with quality content. But my God, look at what's trending on the front page right this minute. It's a damn shame. 

A picture of some pot is the top post on all of Steemit and has a pending payout of almost $4k. Upvoted by most of the big whales. Next up is an 'attractive young female' that wrote out her packing list for a hiking trip. Yeah. $8500.

I'm not supporting what is happening. I've invested more time and effort into this post/comments than the top 10 trending posts combined. I wish my intro post got more than $0.06 . I wrote 11 posts that paid $15. In total.

I'm explaining what is being done, why it's being done, why it will work and why everyone will be happier when it's done.
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@boarddavid ·
I'll upvote you :)
I know where you are coming from, I've put some actual effort into posts that go nowhere, and I've posted links to other peoples youtube videos and/or "reposts" from other sites and they've actually done better in the votes and comments range...
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@johnsmith ·
Why thank you! I know where you're coming from too. Which makes a lot sense, actually.
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@mookosoo ·
Why am i having a ' Good cop ,Bad cop '  flashback now .  And it's not nice !  

And yeah , i wear a 3 layers security outfit : a nice uniform ( black & white ) , blue pair of comfortable boxers  ...  and only then you get to see my GORGEOUS pink bikini...  and if you sing well enaugh , they will start moving and will put any bellydancer on Earth to shame..

 Just saying..  

( When in uniform i am a taxi driver )
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@johnsmith ·
I have the weirdest boner right now.
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