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An open-ended question to @ned and @dan
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Yesterday I noticed @ned downvoting @officialfuzzy posts to zero.

I tried to find out what was the cause.

I found out that @dan started downvoting @sweetsssj posts about 15 days ago.

@sweetsssj stopped posting, so did @officialfuzzy

So are these steemians pawns in some power struggle that we do not know about?

To both of you @dan and @ned , downvotes are not private they are public. 

People are not pawns, they have feelings, and hopes.

You should not downvote people in that fashion using your power on the platform without giving the community a reason.

This is starting to look like guilt by association.

If that's not what it is, then give these people a decent answer.

Not only them, "We" want to know why are you playing " Judge, Jury and Executioner " ?

On a platform you guys claim to have made for libertarians.
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@abue · 
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@ackza · 
Uh oh, I hope this is not true because this type of stuff will destroy the entire community and make the price of steem drop to pennies, fuck, i hope people with this much money are able to think about the well being fo everyone else .....

Yeah i hope thats not true that anyone with as much steempower as dan or ned are abusing their downvoting abilities..... thi is the type of thing that ruins all the hard work......
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@admyrer · 
Very good question . I see why it went HOT so fast .
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@alexpmorris ·
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I really don't know exactly what's going on, or maybe there's just a full moon out (or *strong* new moon or something), and instead of howling at the moon everyone's just become "flag-happy". 

Seemed to really start a bit over a week ago with the crazy mushroom guy flagging down hundreds of our posts.  maybe he ate the first 🍄 "zombie mushroom" 🍄 and now it's spread and gone viral... 

But at least I can add this... whatever it is, I don't think sweetsssj necessarily stopped posted *just* because of Dan's **ONE PERCENT** downvote, currently worth about 6 bucks... 

> (from steemdb) **-1%**  6 days ago @dan voted on travel-with-me-81-round-up-of-the-beach-tower-and-royal-towers-at-atlantis-which-hotel-is-better by sweetsssj
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@apple64 · 
Why did he downvote her?
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@inquiringtimes · (edited)
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yes, the two posts flagged are still valued at $1000 ! lol  I'm sure she is crying her way to the exchange.

obviously she can afford to take a break.  

Now that I see what the actual posts are I'm a bit confused why @joseph is so worked up about this....  
although the excitement makes for highly valued content.  

The voters have spoken!
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@patelincho ·
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All trolls , crazy and menatl  issued people seems to be on full mode activity !
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@apple64 · 
Yes, we all need the answers. Please answer
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@arcaneinfo ·
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Like how you used a poker term..open-ended..lol
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@arcaneinfo ·
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see people true color when the money stop coming in..! no post from them now no money flowing???
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@juvyjabian · 
If thats the case, its all about money for them then.
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@steemaccess · 
More likely the giant middle finger the largest stakeholders are giving them.
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@mrblu · (edited)
@steemaccess followed you..kindly give me a chance to share with you my celebration i have a poem for you .kindly check it out..i need your support..

thanks and more power to you @steemaccess

https://steemit.com/steemit/@mrblu/poem-to-my-followers-and-steemit-special-thanks-for-being-here-with-me-following-my-post-steem-poem

support for south africa and africa nation
https://steemit.com/poetry/@mrblu/to-my-brothers-and-sister-to-africa-be-bless-the-lord-shower-your-country-more-blessing
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@steemflow · 
@steemaccess
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@ura-soul · 
Greetings @steemaccess!

I found you because I am investing a lot here in the form of technical knowledge, time, creativity and tech hardware as I am now a witness for Steem and I noticed that you are voting for @picokernel - but that [picokernel's witness server is offline](https://steemit.com/witness/@netuoso/witnesses-in-top-100-on-old-hardfork-versions-of-steemd-and-their-voters-1508798598) and of no use to Steem (for quite a long time as far as I can tell).
I would really appreciate if you would support me with a vote to give me a chance to show what I can do for Steem and Steemit. I have a long background in software engineering and also in running social networks.

My witness application post is [here](https://steemit.com/witness-category/@ura-soul/ura-soul-witness-application).

Cheers!
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@arcange · 
Congratulations @joseph!
Your post was mentioned in the [hit parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20170801) in the following categories:

* Comments - Ranked 4 with 180 comments
* Pending payout - Ranked 7 with $ 244,02
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@arckrai · (edited)
Is this supposed to be a way to have more money available in the rewards pool?
It doesn't seem like it in the case of @officialfuzzy
I don't know the motives behind this but I don't think it is right for people who have high power and influence to be able to flag great content due to their own incentives and not because the post was bad or anything.
I guess that is one of the problems with some people having loads of SP and influence as any one of them can start censoring people's content @joseph
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@ats-david · (edited)
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I'm not sure why you're assuming that this is a @ned vs. @dan war, or that @sweetsssj stopped posting because of a couple flags. She was still making $500+ per post and I didn't see a bunch of Dan flags on her anyway. The largest one I saw was on a post that still received over $900.

Did you ask either of them why they were downvoting before speculating on it?
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@ackza · 
OMG youre rright, who KNOWS what happened maybe it was even a mistake?? and yeah they obviously didnt flagat full power because @sweetsssj posts and reputation would be lower, right?? 

Oh this is a huge relief, also, how can you even see the list of flaggers when the list ends anyway? You have to use steemdb or busy.org right?  I mean theres no option to even see the list of upvotes it just says "and 440 more" like it does here up on this post when you click the people who upvoted
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@charles1 ·
$0.09
Good point @ats-david I also posted about this same issue today in my blog post and hope that it get resolved. Thanks a lot for your great comment.
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@cryplectibles ·
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Facts are for later, speculation first lol.  I'm know I'm finding some of these posts about the subject entertaining.
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@whatsup · 
If it were a minnow I would be amused.  From a witness, it is not amusing at all.
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@cryptogee · 
>I tried to find out what was the cause.

I think this implies he did try and find out . . I guess a Ned downvote will always attract a lot of attention,  I hope it isn't part of some kind of war though.

[*Cg*](https://steemit.com/@cryptogee)
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@playfulfoodie ·
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I was just checking out her blog and I have to say, even if she got downvotes, I would still not mind being in her shoes with the payouts she's getting!

I didn't know there was a lot of flagging going on. Here I was thinking it was okay ever since HF19 hit.  can't really find out much about the reasons though, so I guess I'll stay neutral here :-)
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@reddust ·
$0.09
@sweetsssj was traveling to another wonderful and exotic, incredibly expensive vacation location. She is back now....
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@themagus · 
Haha....yes, even first class needs 'flight mode'
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@berniesanders · 
Creepy cat lover LOVES to abuse his free SP.  @ned downvotes fuzzy but leaves all that EOS bullshit @dan posted at the top of trending.

This is nothing but their little cash grab playground.  That's becoming more clear as days go by.
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@dorman ·
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well as far as I can see Dan declines payout on all his recent posts, they are on trending but he wont make money of those
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@elfspice · 
That it is, bern! I hope you have at least got back out what you put in, unlike these assholes and their premined SP...
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@berniesanders · (edited)
$1.05
I also mined most of mine, just so you're aware.  But, I did not have inside knowledge like they did.  lol
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@valued-customer · 
Wow, that is the lowest rep I have ever seen!  

Followed =p

Clearly you must be rousing rabble.  Good enough for me!
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@command-center · 
Actually he was sexually harassing me about abuse I endured as a child.  Check the blockchain.
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@bourrbakia · 
I didn'tknow steemit could be a mexican novel
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@bue · 
I don't think @sweetjj should get that much pay from posting just some pictures of her trip. It is good to downvote her post to make steemit a fair place
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@carloserp2000 · 
Thanks to people like you have helped to grow this community of steemians without their votes many are not motivated to make publications, likewise their publications are quite interesting and productive, capture the attention for example of my person, thank you friend for providing this Unconditional support for steemit @joseph
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@charles1 ·
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@joseph good post and great question to @ned and @dan . I noticed it too especially with  @officialfuzzy 2 last posts ..both @sweetsssj and  @officialfuzzy are doing awesome job here and people cherish and respect them. It will be good if we can know what the heck is going on after whch this issue should stop. Our aim is to work together : All for One - One for all and hopefully take over social media segment. Therefore,  my only wish is Plurality, empathy, love and understanding. @Craig-grant and his wife was brutally attacked and downvoted too, hopefully that issue is coooling down now. I hope that this one will be resolved so my lovely steemians @sweetsssj  and  @officialfuzzy will continue their good work with open mind , dedication and hardwork.
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@charles1 · 
Thanks for posting about this. I also posted about the same today on my latest blog post and hope that the issue get resolved in a mature and community spirit way. Keep steeming, upped.
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@dankh · 
I have been nursing some suspicions about @sweetssj because some things don't fit. For instance when you examine the syntax of all the prior posts, they don't jive, as if they were written by different people, even within the same post. The photography was also changing a lot as I noticed that the lighting was being enhanced. It was my opinion that sweetssj was a team, and not a person.
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@surfyogi · 
I felt the same (not that it really matters).
Do the math; there is at least one other person (the photographer).
Lighting, could just be a flash..

I think Dan and Ned know what they are doing in terms of reward pool and bots, etc.
There are a lot of bots out there; we know nothing about what may be involved there as well.
And then we have Whaleshares (I always wondered what Dan things of that).
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@dankh · 
I just wanted to say thanks for reading my comment, and if you are doing the other math, finding people who actually READ comments and blogs is a rare event in terms of the number of steemians. I believe HF-019 took care of some of the bot issues you have mentioned, but I also believe we will see some type of roll-back in HF-20 since there was a huge drop-off in real curation. A happy medium is out there somewhere.
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@danyelk · 
Good post thank you! We want answers....
upvote and resteem have a nice day :)
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@demotruk ·
$0.19
Power and responsibility go hand in hand. The whole community but especially those at the top need to recognize this.
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@dickturpin ·
$0.14
Well, I for one won't shed any tears over sweetsssj she's huge on the Internet and earns more than enough from her youtube endorsements. I'm not saying downvoting her is right or wrong just saying that with her dormant other minnows stand a chance of earning rewards.
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@juvyjabian · 
Yeah right, I believe it too. She could be receiving payment for every reviews she made for those hotels.
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@dickturpin · 
I would suspect ALL of these < air quotes> Holidays < /air quotes> were complimentary at the hotel's expense. Lots of Youtube 'influencers' of which sweetsssj is one go on these freebies for which they profess to write an honest review.

I don't have an issue with people getting fame and freebies my issue with her was/is that imv Steemit is a fledgeling community filled with some fantastic people some of whom need to be nurtured to grow. In my personal opinion, it appeared to me that some YouTubers who are already well established on that service joined Steemit, brought over a whole bunch of followers on YouTube and started hoovering up the rewards.

That's just my view, I may well be wrong but it's certainly how it looked to me.
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@dorman ·
$0.88
Well I think it is time that we see other people on trending and not  always the same people with their 500-1000$ rewards. They make good posts but I dont think  they are worth that much. 
Also if you dont get on trending your post will be lost after a few hours.
Those two things together can be discuraging for a lot of new users and the inequality in the steem distribution will just increase.

Maybe that is their thought process not sure if downvoting is the right way though.
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@fuzzyvest ·
$0.10
I give away more every post than i receive. How many posts can say that?
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@command-center · 
I'm sorry fuzzy but i've heard this 1000 times before.. "I donate all my rewards."  Hey how about just don't take them.. then they will naturally go to people who deserve them for their content.. no need for you to be a middleman.
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@dorman · (edited)
$0.60
It was nothing personal against you but more of a general statement.
If you do that I think its great and I thank you for that.  
It still does not solve the issue that we see the same people with big payouts on trending every day. Which makes it harder for new users to be seen.
But especially if you give away that much downvoting is not the right way to solve that (if it was even meant for that, who knows we can only speculate until there is a statement). 

Some thoughts I had on the issue were possibly to limit the payout a single post can get to a certain amount, which could be realised as a asymptotic or logarithmic correlation between votes and potential payout.
And limit the posts a single author can have in the trending section at a given time. 
I know there are probably also issues with my solutions but maybe something can be worked out.

Edit: After reading some other comments and posts there might be other issues which caused the downvoting. I have no idea what the reason for that would be thus I can not really form an opinion on it. I hope it gets resolved fast but my ideas probably wont help in this case at all.
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@dreamrafa · 
Maybe because those users where monopolizing the trending page and draining the pool? don't really know... I don't care, to be honest... There is curiosity of course, but i guess that the creators of steemit should have a good reason for doing what they do...
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@elfspice ·
$0.04
Also, why does nobody vote on my stuff. I've been causing quite a ruckus lately. Looks like maybe my provocations to get the story straight have reached their ears.
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@richq11 ·
$0.47
I upvote your stuff whenever I see it! I'm becoming concerned about a lot on here... maybe time to cash out and split!
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@elfspice ·
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I think that the events described in this post above may give some hint that the guys with their premine share realise that they are gonna have to up their game.

I have given suggestions... I think the best solution is they reset the chain, with all the accounts migrated (same like Golos), then tell everyone who is running a witness to upgrade to steemd-reloaded, with a new chain ID, everyone back to zero and one new rule: steemit account gets 5% of reward pool automatically, to pay the bills, and they at least migrate to the Dash business model.

But I don't really care. They have so much work to do to change it. really the whole thing needs to be completely rewritten from the ground up. And there's no point really. I am going to lead by example, and show how to use a generalised database with BFT replication and propagation, and turn it into what Steem wants to be. Where even the code is peer-reviewed and rewarded accordingly. I think this takes it to the next level - where your pay as a developer and system architect and document writer, depends on how well you attract investment, and how good your code and docs are.
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@wakeupsheeps ·
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You me both @richq11.  Maybe wait and see how the bitcoin HF works out and see where the price of steem goes.
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@emble · 
It's time to change the system. Steemit as it's now has no future. A remaking is needed. See my post: https://steemit.com/steemit/@emble/will-steem-succeed-or-commit-suicide
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@exx007 · 
This is a community where everyone has a free will to do what they want to do. And who are we to be a critic of an individual. We are not a jury to question anyone in this community. Let them fixed there problem on there own. We dont need to choose side for the better. This only my opinion and you have yours.
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@financialcritic ·
$0.02
I guess the downvote button is there for a reason. But, would be good to get a reason for it.
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@fkofficials · 
Nice post! thanks for shairing @joseph
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@frankbacon · 
I too would like to know more.
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@freiheit50 · 
Downvoting is allowed on this platform. If the reason is "disagree with the payout" no one should be blamed. But together with the downvote a comment should be placed to tell the author and the community the reason of the downvote.
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@fuzzyvest · 
I will never stop posting. Im just with wife prepping for surgery. We only fail when we give up. :)
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@gomo · 
nice job
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@heroeswill · 
Good information, tks!
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@hrhabibur · 
thanks for share
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@jasonshick · 
This is what happens when the few elites have too much power, they can control what happens and there is little anyone can do about it. Steemit in general needs to make changes or the few will continue to dominate the many
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@jwolf · 
**:(**

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@kainmarx · (edited)
$1.62
Personally. I'm glad. People who just post pics and stories from their vacations DON'T deserve to be making $1k a post or even $200.. All cuz what? It's some halfway decent looking woman and the men on steemit go crazy? 

Or posts analyzing markets or giving opinions or doing giveaways or whatever type of crap that is.. all useless.

The reason I'm happy that posts like that get downvoted by those with massive power is because those posts are useless. They are lacking any value on this site. They simply get upvoted cuz masses of people, mostly men, like what they see. That's counter-intuitive and those people who post useless, invaluable information.. do NOT deserve to make that much money OR recognition on this platform. Simple as that. Great job Ned and Dan! Keep the useless posts from getting more than they deserve.
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@alexpmorris · (edited)
$0.56
And I guess sports players shouldn't make millions either.  Perhaps "the house" should just keep all the extra money and pay each player a steady $50,000/year regardless of how much **attention** and **money** they might otherwise attract to the "**stadium**"...

but I do agree with @freiheit50, that downvotes should be qualified, although in this case dan's @sweetsjjj downvote turned out to be merely a 1% downvote, versus ned's triple -100% downvotes on @officialfuzzy, which also presented no "direct objection" whatsoever, despite being orders of magnitude more impactful.
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@kainmarx ·
$0.03
Nope. They shouldn't make anything near what they make. That money should be given to the people, those whose tax dollars generally are pirated from them to build these garbage ass stadiums.. Rarely are stadiums paid for with private funds. It's generally tax dollars.. So where's my cut for you using my money to build a stadium I didn't ask for that you're still gonna try and charge me $100 a seat to sit in?.. Are you really that much of a sheep @alexpmorris? or was that a bad joke that I just don't seem to get?...
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@crewjohn · 
There seems to be this small army of people that got in summer of 2016 and bought in. Now they are in the shark/whale category and simply have to post to get paid. 

By the way, I agree with your assessment that this useless stuff needs to go to the bottom of the pile.
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@fuzzyvest · 
This is mostly the case except for a few of us who dont abuse it...and instead build.
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@elfspice ·
$0.05
According to the self-voting crowd, it's their right to do what they like with stake. The purpose of promoting and rewarding quality, absolutely not the first paragraph of the whitepaper, is irrelevant. Get with the program!
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@freiheit50 ·
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Mostly you are right. But together with the downvote a comment should be placed to tell the author and the community the reason of the downvote.
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@kainmarx ·
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@tngflx - I agree, to an extent. I still hoped to see stories about people's lives.. Just not about constant vacationing.. About maybe their careers, hopes, dreams, daily life, likes, dislikes, etc.. I hoped to get to know more about people on here. I wanted to see stories as well, but not always what vacation you took or are on.. More like, what's your family like? How do they live? What's it like where you live? Etc.. I hoped to find more philosophical and intellectual posts, ones that actually make you research topics and give input in return. Idk, I had a lot of hopes for steemit and it's mostly come thru.. Just , to me.. I believe that the guy who's struggling in a third world country and can only manage to get on steemit once a week, maybe two.. deserves a larger chunk of what's here than someone who's living it up in luxury already at a fancy ass resort on some hardly known island.. Those people just don't deserve it. At all. IMO.


@freiheit50 - I agree, in fact. I believe that along with the transparency of steemit as far as who you are and how much your wallet holds.. should indeed carry over into downvoting posts. I might be sitting here thinking they got downvoted cuz they're useless or not worth that much.. but for all I know.. there could've been a real-life altercation between these people.. lol. Never know. On a platform of clarity though, it'd be nice to have solid reasoning behind a downvote. :)
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@inquiringtimes ·
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I don't know much about the situation, however if it is an issue of downvoting because they feel the posts are incorrectly valued, fine.  I agree a comment explaining downvote would be nice.  

As far as not seeing payout related to value that is fine for now.  We are new.  Right now, steemit is a numbers game.  But guess when this site is huge,  the cream will rise.  I believe the most valued posts a year from now will be held to a higher standard than today.  However, this takes time.  I believe in steemit.  my job is to create the best quality content that I can.  Perceived value will come in it's time if I keep doing my job.  No need to bother that vacation posts and pretty girls make bank.  I like exotic lands and pretty girls.
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@sjennon · 
I agree that some posts are incorrectly valued, however I think that is not to blame the author. After all, the community upvotes it (and ofcourse a billion bots I bet).

> No need to bother that vacation posts and pretty girls make bank. I like exotic lands and pretty girls.

There's a reason the sex industry makes billions, haha. It is simply what people like. But the author is not to blame. I think they should either do something about the bots, or the upvote curve or something - but punishing the author sounds kinda unfair to me..

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Honestly, if they start downvoting big authors like them, they should return the favor and give big upvotes to small authors.
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@juvyjabian ·
$0.44
Time to change those names on trending page more often.
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@lexiconical ·
$9.02
Who do you suggest should be the arbiter of subjective value?

*"They are lacking any value "*
*" like what they see."*

These can't be both true.
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@fuzzyvest · 
I giveaway more voting powerin my posts than i receive.
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@liondani · 
That would make a lot of sense if both downvoted the same post's. Now it seems more than a conflict between them.
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@kainmarx · 
Exactly..

Are we witnessing a Steemit feud? ;)
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@kevinwong · (edited)
$5.42
before you downvote everybody should be forced to enter a commemnt why you downvote.

Edit: I have no idea who typed this. Must be a mistake from someone with my posting key!
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@olivercuico · 
@kainmarx i agree and it's unfair. Actually i write some other blogs too and recently nominated somewhere but i felt like the other curators doesnt really liked me because it seemed like that. i know i have to up my game next time to have my future travel blogs more valuable. However, i have some other writings that i hope to be seen by them to determine their wrong about who i am.
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@kainmarx · 
All I can say is to not give up! You may feel like you're not getting the attention you want or deserve and at times it may seem like everyone else is earning a lot more than u think you're going to.. but just keep at it! At first, I was a little turned off by the fact that everyone around me was making $1k a post and I was making pennies to dollars.. Then I hit my first $600+ post and I felt gratification. I still feel that, even all this time later. I've just been busy with life, but now I'm back and I've got a lot better content to start posting soon and only the future will tell how they do. Keep it up though and don't give up!
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@patelincho · 
Intresting who make this comment ............. maybe all trolls around must look first themself ?How you contribute to steemit ?
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@kainmarx · 
I contribute unique information from my life or my thoughts. It doesn't have to be deemed valuable by anyone, idc.. That wasn't the point.. You seem to miss the concept.. Cuz while you may think my posts are worthless.. So do I to yours.. Where's your originality? All I see is resteemed crap and attention whoring about how you got "cyber stalked.." Why even be a troll and comment in the first place. No one was trolling here. We're expressing our opinions.. There's a major difference. I don't post things with an intention of getting under someone's skin or annoying them.
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@tngflx · 
I agree. I thought this platform would provide something really productive. Better than fb. Instead it's just mostly for travel blogs with people posing how they have fun. Instead of some tips or tricks. Hmm...
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@dwinblood · 
Only if you fixate on the trending page.   The real problem there is also with the curation emphasis on rewards.   People try to dogpile things they THINK will be popular to maximize their curation rewards instead of just voting things they actually read, watched, listened to, etc. and liked.

This is a problem.   Though I rarely look at the trending page.   It has been rather cyclic and repetitive for the more than a year I have been on steemit.
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@tuck-fheman ·
$1.01
Yes, nothing is more satisfying than watching 2 oligarchs control content on a platform! 

Go Dan & Ned! 

Destroy everything you have built simply to save us from the content we can easily ignore on our own!

Yay!
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@frankbacon · 
Ditto!
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@playfulfoodie · 
I think this is just a little bit unfair. Plenty of people feel that some big whales shouldn't be earning as they are. They were lucky (or smart) enough to get in early, or they were able to invest big, but their content isn't necessarily much better than that of a minnow, who earns $3.00 for a similar post.  There might be a lot of disagreement on flagging and when it should be used. Some say it should be reserved for plagiarism, others say it should be used for curating, just as much as upvotes are used for that.

If you look at it like downvoting, so it's simply to curate good/bad content, then flagging gets a less bad rep. Plenty of people would like to downvote some content that they don't feel is very good (or simply over-rewarded by __bots__), but they are afraid of retaliation from a pissed off whale who can destroy their acount/reputation within minutes. I know I would be, so I use flagging for plagiarism and spamming only. I'd love for it to be called 'downvoting', placed right next to the upvote button, so people wouldn't be so scared to use it. It would feel like a fairer curating system, but that's not the Steemit we live in. In this case, we can only try to speak our mind and hope for some whales to fight our battles for us.

If we want fair, we need to change the way people look at flagging and we need to accept that it's used for curation aswell. If we want to be okay with big whales (not just Dan and Ned) ruling the platform, then we'll have to be okay with the whale war flags and hope we don't get on anyone's bad side. Flagging will simply keep its bad rep and everyone will be afraid of it.

I, personally, don't mind if > $1,000.00 payout posts with no more value than those that earn $3.00 get downvoted somewhat. I would love for that to become socially acceptable, but I know it won't.

*In this case, fuzzy (in case you're reading), I don't mean your posts specifically. I really don't know enough about them to form any sort of opinion there.*
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@st3llar · 
>Destroy everything you have built simply to save us from the content we can easily ignore on our own!

^that's it!
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@walterz ·
$0.04
It's funny when it's coming from someone that mostly posting about the "useless" stuff .
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@kainmarx · (edited)
LOL. God forbid I've posted maybe 1 vacation post out of the entirety of my time here. *rolls eyes*

I'd love for you to show me all the things you consider "useless" from my blog. At least mine has variety.. instead of a bunch of the same garbage.

** - Coming from a guy who literally just posts pictures of insects and reptiles?! And enters those stupid contests I mentioned?!... LMGDFAO!!
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@kellypaul ·
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@alexpmorris · (edited)
$0.07
now *this* is a downvote I can agree with... even stopping at "Hi @joseph" would have added more value and relevance to the topic at hand.
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@joseph ·
$0.50
Totally agree, I posted about these type pf comments not long ago and we still get them. Sadly the big powers are busy downvoting hard working people.
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@orionvk ·
$0.02
Everyone who scrolls this low has read all 135 comments. :D
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@patelincho · 
Is it downvote time ? I was stop on just mute but maybe its time to stop ignore and take action  :)
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@kingmotan · 
I was wondering why sweetsssj stopped posting :(
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@kingscoin · 
https://media0.giphy.com/media/mMJEqU3pCuuac/200_s.gif
wow yes we have been longing for this kind of post well done joseph!
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@kryptokayden ·
$0.03
Meanwhile, my dank meme post i generated from some online meme generator barely get a few bucks. Dank meme posts are worth at least a grand IMHO. /s
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@leotrap · (edited)
![Upvoted-Reestemed-y-Following.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmT2bXazt13qvPgNGU5ZhizN7ibwrYRyJdpmQXbZtr4G6W/Upvoted-Reestemed-y-Following.png) 

So true, I've wroted in a tiny way  yesterday about who is in charge of the on/off. As a Minnow really seems strange that this happens... because is not the way I think. 
 
https://steemitimages.com/0x0/https://s19.postimg.org/46wu95rqb/chaos1.png
https://steemit.com/steemit/@leotrap/the-day-that-steemit-fell
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@lindabasilick · 
Good question..needs a response....following
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@liondani ·
$32.64
### Can be a winner on a nuclear war? Only high intelligent members are allowed to answer. Thank you!
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@adconner · 
ROFL - Only High Intelliweenie Answers.  Hahahahahahaha
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@alexpmorris ·
$0.22
don't know if I'm "intelligent" enough to answer, let alone "highly", so I'll just "not answer" this...
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@karenmckersie ·
$0.03
Haha good one !! Me too !!😂🐈🐱🐈🐱
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@madmaxfury ·
$0.03
I see what you did there. Well-played ...  or rather, well-***not***-played lol
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@apple64 · 
Haha...made my day with your pic :D
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@cryptogee ·
$0.43
Tic tac toe, Wargames showed us there are no winners :-(

[*Cg*](https://steemit.com/@cryptogee)
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@elfspice ·
$2.13
It's all moot if you ask me. Graphene is already creaking with 1 years worth of UTF-8 blobs. You would know very well, @liondani just how likely it is that within 6 months the whole database will come to a grinding halt, for good.

I'm betting that the answer to the question of wtf ned and dan are doing, is probably not that complicated. They know I am right.
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@ilvstranger ·
$0.20
Thanks for that detailed information.

So the lags i see from time to time and some services not working on steemdb or other ones are related to what you said?
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@inquiringtimes · 
can you please explain this statement?
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@reddust · (edited)
Sounds like l  need to powerdown and invest in other currencies until @ned invests in better infrastucture.
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@lasseehlers ·
$0.96
Interesting.
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@matrixdweller · 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4APPX5uYLaQ&feature=youtu.be
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@muhammadsharukh · 
hahaha.. good one
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@melvin0906 · 
jajajajaja esta re social me encanta
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@mikenevitt · 
Sometimes Steemit seems quite a unfriendly place, we are definitely not all equal it would seem behaviour like this will ultimately put good people off, rant over cheers mike
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@missk · 
http://www.sugardaddyfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/whos_your_daddy_1.jpg
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@muhammadsharukh · 
good work brother.. keep it up
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@nancyyepes · 
Congratulations for your excellent post, I invite you to follow us and we grow faster, greetings
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@nauval ·
$0.44
If that's true and without a definite explanation, I am on behalf of users of steemit join the grieving, and hope this in the near future can be explained to the public with the relevant reason....🤘🤘🤘🤘
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@nilim · 
great post..
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@padmakshi · 
good post ! thank's for sharing
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@condra · 
good comment! I look forward to your future offerings.
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@patelincho · (edited)
We all need some answers .....Hmm did you also noticed ned flaged dan ?
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@ppita · 
Hahahaha OMG!
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@reddragonfly ·
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I'm not sure what's going on with this @joseph, hard to tell whether it's part of some greater intent or merely a reactionary *"Wait... this isn't how Steemit was meant to work!" afterthought."*

Sometimes, I can't help but have this feeling that Steemit was created out of a truly wonderful "vision," but done so without any kind of cohesive long term planning. Sure, there's a "roadmap" and a "White Paper" but where's all the goal setting and benchmarking. My point being that corrective measures to address (perceived?) issues don't amount to much unless there's a comprehensive standard against which they are being applied... like an eternal series of "course corrections" on a journey that doesn't really have a *destination.*

What IS Steemit? Where does it want to go? What's the target for the end of 2018? And 2020? And 2025? And *"well, I'll have cshed out and be gone by then so it doesn't matter"* is not an adequate answer.

I don't mean to be too much of a harsh critic here... being newer to Steemit and all, but *not* "new* to social content venues. 

ARE we building a social content venue here... or is this just a "temporary cash dispenser" for the fortunate few till the next greatest thing comes along?
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@reddust · (edited)
I find the trending page boring and I can't relate to most of the articals , I'm not a technology person and I don't have the time right now to take vacations or look at vaca rentals. Actually I have never had the money to do so! I like reading the interesting stories, people's lives that live all over the world, art, and gardening. I spend most of my time working on my art, the rest of my time here on Steemit I spend looking for new content creators and voting on some long time steemians who never have made big money making posts.
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@ronaldmcatee · 
Did i posted a comment on your profile ? and you didn't checked out my blog ? 
 https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@ronaldmcatee/bitcoin-cash-bch-bubble-or-real-thing
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@rose98734 · (edited)
$0.04
I'm guessing here, but they monitor the rewards pool and if one person is consistently getting too much, they downvote in order to allow others to get something. They've done this before (in the old days before the curation bots were a thing and some people were hogging the rewards).
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@rudystyle · 
They can use their votes however they want. The sytem's built that way. And I think taking away a few $$$ from those regularly making in the hundreds and distributing to the minnows ain't too bad.
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@sjennon · 
A lot of their upvotes is also generated by the bots. Honestly, it is not the author's 'fault' they are successful and get a lot of money thanks to their vacationing posts. It is the 'fault' of all the bots who make this able.

They are tackling the wrong person... 

Wouldn't you continue to post about your vacations if that is what the people upvote? I would.
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@skreza · 
what's the cheat code for getting high volume upvotes even in comments
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@snakiest · 
I guess that's what makes Steem interesting? I remember @randompic had a bone to pick with @sweetsssj just a month ago. Everyone downvoted him like mad. You are doing much better backed by the whales. Waiting for further development. =)
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@steemboad · 
New news for steemit friends getting more and more okay. Hopefully we are in this steemit can share vote to friends all friends 

Nice po
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@steemboad · 
@steemit is forward now until so on do not stop
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@steemit.nemesis ·
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Of course @officialfuzzy's and @sweetsssj's posts are of good content and Quality. But I have seen so many other very very good posts which got only a payout of a few dollars. So I think downvoting is a possible way to adjust the payouts. If a follower of the named authors notices a post which has already apotential payout of several hundred dollars, is it clever to upvote it further??? Why dont these people search some good, but undervalued posts and make some new authors a little bit more happy?
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@juvyjabian ·
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You are right, time to give others a change to set on trending page. Those names are there for i guess almost a year :)
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@command-center · 
That was their plan @JuvyJabien.. top witnesses and guild owners control the platform completely now.
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@patelincho · (edited)
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Hmm this is not the case with @officialfuzzy post , all money from them go to the people ............... Chek the posts they are giveaways !
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@whatsup ·
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He was flagged one day after often having several posts on trending at any given time.  I respect the work he does also, but are his posts the most valuable posts on SteemIt... EVERY DAY?  I think not.
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@steevc · 
There are others who can make hundreds every day. Are they worth it? I think that with the current size of Steemit some rewards are out of proportion. These guys created it and are entitled to use their power as they see fit.
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@syrianmaher · 
Abusing steemit is awful. Being biased or against someone for hidden reasons or to malicious intentions is expected anywhere, but I like our steemit to remain clean and wonderful.
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@tha199 · 
Good @tha199
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@theblindsquirl · 
Maybe someone got tired of seeing post after post after fucking post about Atlantis and complained? 

Maybe Atlantis refused to pay for the advertising she's been doing for them for the last couple of months?

<a href="http://www.atlantisbahamas.com/rooms/thecoveatlantis">![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmZJu4pT3gyb31L9qkvbudW75BxZuAeZuR7rQpDotf18Ua/image.png)</a>
How much is this comment worth?

FYI, that's not me.

<a href="http://www.atlantisbahamas.com/rooms/thecoveatlantis">![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmbB8K2WFJKsoS4Eu7xRuEsALbXXH1yLneUNgrf2EvHd7T/image.png)</a>

I've never been in the lobby either.

These are just cut & pasted (with links to Atlantis's pages) from their web site.

Poor little lonely Asian girl, all alone at these expensive resorts.
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@wakeupsheeps · 
I just assumed that she lived there, in the promotional suite.
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@theblindsquirl · 
You have to look back a ways but she has been in other places, apparently.

Sadly, she had to fly Budget Airlines once.
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@toughguy · 
Definitely worth an upvote and a resteem :)
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@tuck-fheman · 
I said this a year ago and nothings changed. =/
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@turtledance24 · 
happy fork day guys!!! Fork ya all!
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@tylerdourden · 
Nice post!!
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@ugetfunded · 
https://i.imgflip.com/1j6hku.jpg
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@ura-soul · 
[Puts on Slippers and Lights Pipe]

Ahh, this takes me back to my distant post of 7 days ago where I asked [if Steemit was more supportive of Oligarchy than Anarchy](https://steemit.com/steemit/@ura-soul/does-steemit-support-oligarchy-more-than-anarchism-does-real-anarchy-lead-to-world-peace-how-will-steemit-evolve).
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@wakeupsheeps · 
It appears that wheels are getting a bit wobbly on this ride.  Strange downvoting by management, 70% of upvotes are bot-based, and new accounts that have no idea how to behave, have all led to a cloudy future for the platform.
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@whatsup · 
I have no idea why people do what they do with their stake, and both Steemians mentioned are great Steemians, and deserve success.  That doesn't mean they have to be on the trending page EVERY DAY.

It isn't personal or a dig to either of the people that you mention that it is "Stale" as hell to continue to vote up the exact same articles, by the same people each day.  Surely the voters could find some additional talent to vote for once in a while.
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@writtenbird · 
I'm actually pretty glad she isn't taking all the rewards now. Her posts were inane.
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@youngjerv · 
i strongly hope they can resolve this issue,  and i'm grateful for post like these thanks for the share
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@yukimaru ·
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*Monitoring how the story unfolds....*

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@zeidlitwhips · 
Jheez, I was wondering why @sweetsssj is not posting as usual anymore. Thanks for this post it explains alot.
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