@joshman

Greetings!

Why reinvent the wheel, here is a method that has been successfully used by "twelve million registered freelancers and five million registered clients.Three million jobs are posted annually, worth a total of US$1 billion, making it the largest freelancer marketplace in the world." [Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upwork)

I strongly encourage everyone to review this page:

https://www.upwork.com/i/trust-safety-mission/[Text here](https://www.upwork.com/i/trust-safety-mission/)

I would love to see THAT implemented directly on-chain!

No need to reinvent the wheel, just decentralize the wheel and let code be law!

🕉️☀️♥️🙏

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I voted every proposal under 50 and unvoted every proposal over 50. Okay, some of those under 50 ones are vague and probably not really important, but they either won't get funded anyway or are worth the value without too much thought.

I'll reconsider the ones over 50 based on your standards and a sample of what they plan to include in their report. Also, I think if the proposal is funded rewards for the report post should go dao or null.

I'm extremely skeptical of having 63 million Hive in the dao account. At this point, I think burning it all is appropriate since we have seen a lot of dodgy proposals get funded and not burning it will just be confirmation it can continue.

It's a real shame that some of the people who have been so closely involved with Hive are now paying to reward themselves. You know who else decided that community dao funds were their own private property? Hint they owned and or founded the previous chain. Founder's rights are really scary and a few people gleefully used this excuse without noticing the dangers and irony.

Very well compiled. It makes sense, it's a lot clearer to me now how DHF works, and I hope the funds to be used properly and not based on affinities and friendship votes. The communication of value part totally makes sense and as I commented on other similar posts, it's obvious to have some sort of *proof of work* since you're being paid for a task. Are you a witness by the way?

Your proposal seems to be reasonable to me. In an office environment there are supervisors that can see if an individual is working. In this decentralized world we are all the supervisors for the proposals, and as such we do need to be kept aware of on going progress and to ensure the funds are being used for the purpose requested. 

I've read a few proposals and they've not been thorough enough to warrant the requested fund. As much as I wouldn't want to discourage the continuous development of the platform, I think any fund given to people must be earned by convincing the community. The irony of it all is that the ONE proposal from Justine that I don't agree with because I feel it is exhorbitant,  is probably among the few that elaborates and is eloquent enough in the post. 

I think micromanagement can lead to very undesirable results. We have to be clear about the type of work we'd like to see. To my mind, we want to see work that considers the long-term benefit of the community and ecosystem. This type of work usually requires a lot of thinking and rethinking. It also often requires doing things that don't yield immediate results or that most people wouldn't necessarily understand, like setting up foundations.

With that said, I have made some suggestions myself [here](https://peakd.com/hive/@borislavzlatanov/re-markkujantunen-q9titf). And lots more suggestions and discussion are needed so I'm really glad to see you and others creating this discussion. I think it's exactly what we need, and a lot more of. Not pointing fingers but creating standards, guidelines and systems that work as intended.

Funneling the ninjamine into the development fund has extremely bad optics. 
We need to destroy the ninjamine no matter what. 
If we need more money for development, we can always just print more inflation. 
With this dynamic in mind, there is 0% reason to not destroy the ninjamine. 
It will only serve to make this network look like "thieves". 
Destroying it and printing more inflation is effectively the same thing, but the optics are better and people are dumb. 

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### As far as the core message of this post is concerned: 
# A+
We must have a way to hold people accountable if we are funding them. 
I'd rather not figure this out the hard way. 

Hola amigo muy interesante la información proporcionada. Me parece muy bien lo invito para que ande acerque a mi blog

You nailed it! So far, most of the proposals seem very vague. But like I read earlier, unless you're a whale, your voice/opinion really doesn't matter.
It only takes 14 of the top whales here to pass a proposal. If back door deals were to go on, there wouldn't be anything any average content creator would be able to do about it. 

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Under 50 HBD is what I'll give a lot of proposal. I feel hive is early and well we might still get the the range of  250+ HBD, I might be wrong but this is what I think

Transparency and accountability are always good. “Policing” not so much. This is a DPOS system and the DHF is stake based. 

There absolutely should be an effort to communicate and show the work done. In open source development that’s easy as there are applications like github that can easily document some work.. but not how many hours someone spent to code that commit. How would one show that? 

Individuals who understand development would understand the work that goes into some aspects of it, then others like the little pink man here, knows nothing but tweeting and doesn’t even understand that a blockchain core developer is extremely hard to come by and charges quite a lot. 

So a daily log to tell every hour spent seems a bit odd as that’s not required in any other aspect of the industry. The end result is the work done. Who cares if it took one developer 20hrs to get there if a better one could do it in 10? Is the end result the same? Did the community benefit the same?

So I think these details are something the community needs to consider. It’s ok to not understand many aspects of development, but it’s then a bit strange to pretend they do and state what they feel is an acceptable payment.

 Perhaps along with these “guidelines” Some research should be done into going rates for the specific work done, and not just compare it to some wage that has nothing to do with the work being done. That way the community has something to base it off of.

For closed source work on individual projects that’s even more complicated as the project could leave at any time. Perhaps a look at how best to handle those aspects would be good as well. 

More focus on the type of work and how it benefits the ecosystem and less factors on the amount. 

As far as non development work that’s even more complex as there is no github commits, or code to show for it. 

In many aspects, like with exchange negotiations, you couldn’t even make a daily log to detail all aspects as this would cause a riff in the relationship with the exchange and could result in either delisting or exchanges being less willing to work work with the project. Many actually ask you to sign individual NDA’s to even talk to them. So how to we document every aspect of that and “show work” without causing issues that  would be negative to the community?

These are things we need to figure out going forward, for both dev and non dev aspects and I think it’s a good discussion to have. I do think it’s important to get relevant facts about it though before the community starts policing or proclaiming what is correct and what is not.

Hopefully we can continue to move forward and figure this all out in a decentralized method. As we are discovering though, organizing in decentralized way is not easy.

>Communication Of Value

We need a way to "police" what has been done and what the value of that work is. 
Justine popped in out of nowhere, said: "ive worked for 700 hours", has 0 qualifications and slapped a 40$ per hour wage on her work asking for 30 000 Dollars. 

Lets pump the brakes here. 

We need these people to be accountable to someone. Their work needs to be vetted. Netouso has 2 proposals going for almost 200 000 USD a year. 
One is "continual development" and another is a "specific project continual development". 
<b>THOSE TWO THINGS OVERLAP!</b>

We talk about reward pool abuse and 5 dollars someone makes from a spam post and we look the other way with this kind of crap?
Really?

When at first, I saw the proposal features on steem moving to hive, I have actually knew that later in the future it might have some controversies which is now turning up.

Communities should not just vote blinding on proposal not worth the amount backing it up.

Apart from only voting and the type of proposal content and benefit to the community,the funding should also be assessed and checked out

If I was making 50 HBD, I'd be thrilled to spend 10-15 minutes updating a work log to raise the confidence of everyone. Even if it took 30 minutes, it'd be a way to consistently display my value and earn more in the future on other proposals. It's also a great way to distinguish yourself from someone who doesn't want to do that. Also, those who don't want to... red flag.

What an awesome mooning GIF :)

I think you have some great ideas here.

"as a community we have little visibility into both the activities being funded on a more granular level, as well as the outputs being created."

I believe this to be very true. Thanks for the contribution.

On a side note, I'm trying to contribute something new as well. I'm a trader and investor with almost 20 years experience. I just started doing a daily technical analysis post of the price of hive. If you have the time, I would love to know if you think it's worth doing and if there are people with large accounts willing to support it. 

Keep up the great work! 

-Dan