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The TRUTH About Open Borders Vs. Closed Borders! (With Adam Kokesh)
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*In this video,* I talk with @AdamKokesh about borders!

Now it's important that those who disagree listen and give us their thoughts, but as voluntaryists, of course we are for open borders. However, one should not mix up open borders in a voluntaryist society and controlled divide with open borders in a globally government (globalist) society. 

Let's look at both the logical and moral side of this argument. 

From the logical perspective, the US government has attacked countries over seas, made more enemies than they stopped, armed those enemies, created more conflict, divided people through the media on the cultures in those conflict zones, perpetuated the problem and then brought many people who can't exactly conform to western society into the US and put them on welfare, more welfare than the average person born in the country. 

So of course this is an organised collapse. 

Now if individuals within the US could properly arm themselves, this could not possibly be a problem. A well defended populace is a populace that cannot be coerced, but people or government. 

This in essence is part of the logical argument. 

Then for the moral argument, if someone owns a property and asks a friend from overseas to come hang out on their property or even live there, the government has no right to tell them they can't live there. It is entirely immoral, coercive and wrong for government to restrict the freedom of movement of so-called free individuals no matter what plot of land they are from. 

When it comes to your property, you can stop people from coming on it, but you can also bring people voluntarily to your property without government stopping you or the person in question. 

To use issues like *"This could happen"* is to be preemptive. That's what got the US into dozens of countries overseas and what has lead to prohibition of things like cannabis as well as gun control. 

Let's get real here. Applying the same types of "solutions" over and over again just creates a Hegelian Dialectic of *"problem, reaction, solution, repeat"* and it never ends. 

The problem comes from government. Government will not fix the problem. 

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Adam Kokesh breaks down this argument well and also goes into his time in Iraq, his upcoming book and of course his *"Not For President"* Presidential bid! 

See the FULL interview here:
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@bthebest7 ·
Couldn't agree more. Just got back from a week in Playa Del Carmen. I will trade places any day of the week, they can have Canada! Didn't see one chemtrail while there either, not a NATO country apparently. *drooool*
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@davebrewer ·
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Lots of dreams in the voluntarist world.  Everyone stays on their own plot of land, is perfectly well behaved, and never attacks anyone else on their "plot of land".

If you can imagine a world like that, lets imagine pink unicorns with raspberry flavored farts.  

Seems equally likely - given human nature.

If you are willing to ignore human nature, the pink unicorns will be appealing
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@zubasky ·
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You must be the guy breaking into all your neighbors houses every night.  Or is government stopping you from doing that?
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@davebrewer ·
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Think.  99% of folks are not the issue. Government force is needed for the 1% of folks who are sociopaths, psychopaths, or just plain poor at thinking.  LOL
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@funbobby51 ·
what has lead to prohibition of things like cannabis as well as gun control is the desire to suppress the poor and minorities, two government policies that work exactly as intended.
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@davebrewer ·
say what ??   that was a joke comment right
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@funbobby51 · (edited)
sardonic and historically accurate
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@fundposhprincess · (edited)
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The best part of Adam Kokesh's presentation is his "Split 50!" plan once the fedGov is neutered.  Now the REAL best part comes when this friggin' 47 year old internal debate within the imaginary borders of Libertavia can be finally settled.  Surely out of 50 states, someone will get it right.  ...may the best means of governance (or nonGovernance) win the "olympics".  

For an in-depth understanding of Adam's plan, enjoy this interview by Andy "petition" Jacobs of Libertarian Revolution YT channel.
https://steemit.com/adamkokesh/@fundposhprincess/adam-kokesh-is-there-anything-you-would-change-in-this-presentation
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@fundposhprincess ·
oh, the delicious irony.  Unify our nation by "Split 50!"
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@limnerlocin · (edited)
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Open the borders first and the welfare state will collapse soon after.

So open the borders! Bring the collapse! I'll be sitting on my porch with my 12 gauge and a tin of Skoal.
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@davebrewer ·
Your 12 gauge is a useless toy.  The mob would over-run you before you got the first wad into your trap.
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@limnerlocin · (edited)
What mob? The police? Because I don't think that immigrants who come here are just trying to mob people down. They are actually looking to make a productive living. Crazy, right?
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@mikesteem ·
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@muhammadzubair7 ·
Nice post..interesting..
Wish you more sucess in life..
Good..@joshsigurdson..πŸ‘
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@niloyroy ·
Good bro
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@rzaman ·
Great post. thanks for sharing this Post.
I appreciate your politics...resteemit.
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@smartcoins ·
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"the only legitimate borders are private Properties" Word!
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@steeminglyso ·
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I think it is real simple and you touched on it. I can invite anyone I want onto my property from any country. I happen to like creme fresh and so if I invite someone from France to dine with me both of us may well be happy. 

Not only does government not have a role in fixing the mess they created, but confusing immigration with our war-happy government misuse of our taxes only allows both sides of the debate to make recursive illogical assumptions.
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@themobilewriter ·
>Now if individuals within the US could properly arm themselves, this could not possibly be a problem. A well defended populace is a populace that cannot be coerced,

How about the children who died in school shooting? Was the shooter defending himself against the innocent un armed children? Well i know what others will say - " Thoughts and Prayers ".
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@limnerlocin ·
The adults in that situation were legally prohibited from carrying firearms... So yes, people in the US are not legally allowed to properly arm themselves.
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@limnerlocin ·
The adults in that situation were legally prohibited from carrying firearms... So yes, people in the US are not legally allowed to properly arm themselves.
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@zubasky ·
Hey, your on the wrong topic.  School shootings are a symptom of a larger problem.  And the symptom is caused by a failure to address the problem for both the victims and the aggressor(s).
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@toddfoster ·
Borders are just another way to divide us.  Humankind is its own worse enemy.
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@davebrewer · (edited)
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When people can't get along, sometimes the effective solution is put up a barrier between the warring tribes.

Millions would not have died in genocide in Iraq, if Bush had followed Biden policy and divided the country into three fiefdoms at end of Iraq War.  Shiites as their own tribe.  Sunni as their own tribe.  And Kurds as their own tribe.   Put up big walls between the tribes, and the UN could police the borders.

Has worked for 50+ years, to date, on Korean Penisula.
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@arthur.grafo ·
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I see the answer is that it is not people who (next comment to answer you)....I can't help asking myself as I read the arguments that seem to idealise people, with governments being all that is evil (you try being small and sickly as a child and just count how many will want to bully you), if they do not think walls and borders are needed, have they tried to prove their arguments and faith in the goodness of man, by removing gates and doors from their home - and if living in a house, do they also live without walls and electronic surveillance? Oh, sorry, they did say we would need to employ guards - so people who live close by are evil, but we can invite whoever we want from the most barbaric societies, because they will stay on their property. How does that work? They will never need to intrude by going into public spaces? Who is going to guard us in the public spaces? The barbarian guests? - or will we create a communal fund...uhm, should we differentiate and call those guards...what, police? Who collects the money to pay them? We appoint someone?

Are we on our way to ...closing a circle?
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@limnerlocin ·
It is not people who cannot live togetherβ€”it is governments. Borders only burden markets and hurt people.
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@truth-or-lies ·
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@zoidsoft · (edited)
Something very different is definitely coming in the next decade.  Too much going on in the cryptocurrency space that is borderless and censorship resistant to keep most of the rest of the world down.  In 1776 the USA declared independence from Britain, now it seems we're the new England.  The world will declare independence from us through a giant equity drain in crypto and the banks will not be able to hold together their system of financial exclusion.

The dismantling that Adam Kokesh talks about will come more naturally because of the above circumstances.

PS - Hope you remembered to [register your EOS public key](https://steemit.com/eos/@zoidsoft/how-to-claim-your-eos-tokens-after-buying-on-bitshares-or-commit-suicide) to lock in the contract @joshsigurdson
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@arthur.grafo ·
You have missed the articles about the banks buying huge amounts of crypto currency? You really think people who are worth more than the USA and China combined, cannot take over?

Do you really think governments will not also take over - and demand you declare what you have so that they can tax you? You do not disclose? Have fun thinking of your crypto currency while a pricelss part of your life flows away from you. Of course, governments are already doing so - and people are making their declarations.

I'll say again: make plans, build a theory, that can withstand all that is thrown against it.

A final scenario:What good will your theories, crypto-currencies, refusal to have a government and so on do you, once they have filled your body and brain with smart dust.

Hi, fellow robot.
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@zoidsoft ·
What was it in the above paragraph that triggered you and set you off?  I'm only stating facts and history shows that governments are much more fragile than nature and natural law.

Personal threats are useless against me (my days are numbered anyway).  I'm just glad that future generations will live to see a chance for freedom again instead of the totalitarian panopticon being generated as an alternative.
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@zubasky ·
Great work Josh, the logical argument would suggest if we ended the welfare state, changed the financial/foreign policies of creating chaos and poverty, we would have less and less immigrants.  The moral argument would work as long as everyone involved understood the non-aggression principle.
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@sunlit7 ·
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>The moral argument would work as long as everyone involved understood the non-aggression principle.

Do you really think there is a good chance that that will ever happen?  Look at this site for instance with so many people clamoring for such a idea and there's a lot of people on here with aggressive tendencies.  It's just totally never going to be a feasible option.
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@davebrewer ·
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You get it.  The utopia they are imagining can't exist without a touch of centralized control.  Look at steemit to understand what the likely outcome is for close to full decentralization
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