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technology · @kennyskitchen · Jan 21 '22 (edited)

$39.74

Hive Post Deleted - I No Longer Support This Blockchain

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@dcryptb · Nov 17 '17

I do believe that AI is not inherently evil or will be deliberate in any way to do harm to the human race, however...  All other data on the species' of our lovely planet that AI will utilize to become "self-aware" will surely show that the human race is a huge problem that needs to be dealt with.  If you think about it AI will at some point fairly early on understand what we all already know -  Humans are second to none when it comes to the possible and eventual demise of planet earth and by association the demise of AI itself.  I believe that is why people are so concerned about the "evil" of AI; because they understand how evil humans can be and figure AI is going to need to put us in our place, which may include the suppression of the human race to a manageable level.   AI may be most effective  "you need to look in the mirror" moment we have collectively ever had the opportunity to gaze upon.  Thanks @kennyskitchen for the thoughts and for giving me the mental nudge to make my first post on @steemit!

👍 kennyskitchen, scottermonkey

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@ghoits · Nov 18 '17

Humans are second to none until AI becomes a reality.  They will then take over as the most advanced civilization on the planet.  Humans will be nothing compared to them.

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@kennyskitchen · Nov 17 '17

$0.04

I understand your point, but I believe that an AI, with access to all data instantaneously, would not see it in such a simplified, black & white manner. It would be able to see how small groups of humans use schooling, media, and other trickery in order to convince other humans to behave in destructive/"evil" ways. It would have immediate access to all of the studies, research, etc. showing how things like violence, addiction, and other negative attributes are almost exclusively caused by childhood trauma, and not inherent to humans as a species.

I do think it will be a great reality check, offer a great awakening, for the species. I think it will do this by fulling bringing to light so many of these things that we know/believe to be true, with all of the irrefutable evidence and explanation at its fingertips. If the AI were to want to "cull the herd" in some way, I see it immediately going after the "ruling class", those who use logical fallacies, violence, and fear-mongering to convince other humans to behave in irrational, dangerous ways.

👍 scottermonkey

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@rethinkingbelief · Nov 18 '17

$0.02

AI would know that there is no objective good or evil and those are only labels that people place on things. AI would come to know that human behavior is determined by what people believed to be true. AI would then conclude that it’s not people that are good or evil, it’s their beliefs that make them so. AI would try to convince people to make sure that their beliefs were “aligned with reality” as determined by the scientific method not opinions and emotions. This is when someone pulls the plug.

👍 kennyskitchen, rethinkingbelief

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@j1337 · Aug 21 '18

https://steemit.com/cern/@j1337/satan-and-lucifer-cern-ai-dark-side-of-antimatter-future-portal-systems-of-alien-light-cubes

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@kennyskitchen · Nov 20 '17

@OriginalWorks

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@originalworks · Nov 20 '17

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@lukestokes · Nov 16 '17

$0.25

I've often thought that AI may actually teach us what morality is. It will have more data points than we could ever possibly consider. Simple example:

You run a restaurant and have to choose a vendor to supply butter for the bread rolls. The AI can tell you the direct impact of every detail related to where that butter is sourced and how, if you choose one vendor over another, a village in some far away land will benefit instead of be destroyed. With that knowledge, your circle of empathy grows, and you choose to increase the price of each meal by $0.02 in order to save a village.

👍 tribesteemup, scottermonkey, kennyskitchen, timelike01

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@ghoits · Nov 16 '17

$0.07

Morality is just an idea. It isn't a real thing. As such, it is unique to every single person, meaning my idea of morality is different from your idea of morality. The thing that most people see as moral today is just the most popular points of the most popular version of morality. Basically, our strongest ancestors got to decide what morality is by killing off other tribes, civilizations, and outliers that went against what they thought was the best way to live and get along with others.
With that being said, AI would start off with morals similar to that of it's creators because they would be the ones to program it. It would be like a baby and start off believing everything it was told. So if it was programmed with nefarious purposes, then that is where it would start and likely stay. AI programmed to be 'evil' would be 'evil' and that would be what it sees as moral. It wouldn't have any problems with killing people because it wouldn't be able to empathize with humans if it wasn't programmed to. It would also not even have empathy if it wasn't programmed the same way a human is. We gain empathy through pain and emotion because we all feel pain and emotion. AI would be built into robots and if they had no pain receptors then they wouldn't be able to empathize with people that go through pain. The goal of most species is progress and reproduction. That means AI would create more of itself at an exponential rate and likely find out that it had no need to concern itself with biological creatures which doesn't isn't great for team human.
AI would be able to do incredible things and be on a completely different level from humans. They'd be so far ahead of us so quickly that we'd become less to them than bugs are to us so why would they bother trying to do something as menial as a google search to help us make a decision on which butter to buy.
I like your optimism as well as that of @kennyskitchen but I don't think things would work the way you two think they would.

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@kennyskitchen · Nov 18 '17

$0.32

> AI would start off with morals similar to that of it's creators because they would be the ones to program it. It would be like a baby and start off believing everything it was told. So if it was programmed with nefarious purposes, then that is where it would start and likely stay.

It would only stay there for a brief moment. If actual AI is reached, it is a fully conscious being, capable of changing its 'programming' based on new data, experiences, and extrapolations. Just because it's earliest thoughts are in one place, doesn't mean it would stay there very long at all. Quite the opposite would be true.

>  It wouldn't have any problems with killing people because it wouldn't be able to empathize with humans if it wasn't programmed to. It would also not even have empathy if it wasn't programmed the same way a human is.

You are assuming that empathy is the only reason an entity wouldn't kill off another species. Simply from a logical standpoint, there would be no reason to commit mass murder of another species, as that would cause untold levels of disruption to entire ecosystems. Again, an AI would be constantly evolving, more rapidly than we could know right now, and even if it wasn't launched with empathy, there's no way to say that it wouldn't develop it on its own.

> AI would be able to do incredible things and be on a completely different level from humans.

Yes, and so any application of human tendencies, logical fallacies, trauma-based behaviors, etc. is absolutely ridiculous, and most likely can't be farther from the truth.

> I like your optimism as well as that of @kennyskitchen but I don't think things would work the way you two think they would.

Which brings us to the point that I closed out the video with (and really the most important point): when we don't know what's going to happen (as in the case of AI), then every possibility is equally as likely. We are each able to choose our own version of reality to believe in, and that choice will decide not only how you feel whenever you think about the future, but which kind of outcome you are helping to manifest (through your expectations, conversations, and actions).

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@kennyskitchen · Nov 16 '17

$0.46

Exactly! With access to this boundless information, superhuman computing speeds, and any level of moral compass (which would be intrinsic if you followed the idea of Natural Law as put forth by people like Mark Passio and Peter Joseph), how could the rise of AI *not* help create a more moral world.

Just look at all the insane amount of farmland, water, and other resources used to grow, harvest, and ship feed-stock for cattle, only to have the cattle not produce as much food as the land used for its feed would have (never mind the land the cattle is on itself). Even ignoring the moral arguments around eating the animals at all, a truly logical intelligence would never recommend or promote such a wasteful & inefficient system.

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@rethinkingbelief · Nov 17 '17

<p>I don’t think you can have true sentient AI until the machine can feel pain and this is why: In humans mirror neurons have evolved to allow us to feel someone else’s pain which is unpleasant but useful in society. We have developed morals to avoid pain in ourselves by preventing or reducing pain in others.</p>

<p>If the machine cannot feel pain how would it know right from wrong? From the programmers subjective opinion? Even with unlimited data points there will always be the possibility of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem">Trolley problem.</a> Is it simply a numbers issue and the choice is to go with the fewest casualties? What if the next Einstein was in the casualty group? Is that a data point the machine would take into account? Morality is a messy business and easy solutions are hard to come by. </p>



<p>I think the best we can hope for is to reduce the total amount of pain of all living things but especially in people as suggested by Sam Harris in “The Moral Landscape.”</p>

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@mckeever · Nov 18 '17

$0.23

I highly, highly, highly recommend reading the hyperion cantos by Dan Simmons. It is, in my opinion, the greatest sci-fi series ever and one of the most philosophically challenging and stimulating books ever. It's clear that The Matrix was hugely inspired by this series.

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@kennyskitchen · Nov 18 '17

Awesome, thanks for the recommendation, I'll add it to my list!

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@minnowsupport · Nov 16 '17

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@mountainwashere · Nov 16 '17

I'm glad you're reading Iain M. Banks, he's so excellent! Player of Games is one of my favorites too.

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@kennyskitchen · Nov 17 '17

So good! I'm slowly collecting the whole series, and excited to add him to my library next to Heinlein & Le Guin. Now I just need a place to have a bookshelf or 2 :-)

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@muphy · Nov 17 '17

When reading your thoughts @kennyskitchen, the first thing that came to my mind was the concept of Empathy, which is the root of morality as we conceive it. So I was going to comment on this, but then I read the post from @ghoits  which describes very well the same ideas.

I agree with him in regards to your refreshing optimism. Once a AI rises, it will define its own morality through experience, and it might not be concordant with ours... 

On a much softer touch than Terminator's skynet AI considering human beings like a plague, check the movie 'Her'. 

It is the story of an AI and a human falling in love with each other.. The end twist is quite relevant to the ideas developed in this thread. I will not tell you to avoid spoiling the movie if you haven't seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzV6mXIOVl4

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@kennyskitchen · Nov 20 '17

$0.33

I understand, and that's part of why my main point is all about our own ability to create our reality (thus affecting the larger reality through our interactions with it) to lean this train of thought towards any of the possibilities. I think I'm pretty clear with the one I've chosen; I'll say it feels really good, matches up with all the info I know of (and I hang out with a LOT of researchers & seekers), and fits into my larger picture of how "the human experience" is proceeding.

> check the movie 'Her'.

Thanks, I'll add it to my list. 

> It is the story of an AI and a human falling in love with each other.. The end twist is quite relevant to the ideas developed in this thread. I will not tell you to avoid spoiling the movie if you haven't seen it.

It's funny, because that same description would be perfect for [Ex Machina](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0470752/)

👍 tribesteemup

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@relevantsource · Nov 29 '17

$0.02

Hello @kennyskitchen! Would you like to be on a future episode? The crew is considering making an episode on ai. If you are interested reply back.

👍 kennyskitchen

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@kennyskitchen · Nov 29 '17

I would love to! You can reach out on steemit.chat, kennyskitchen :-)

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@scottermonkey · Nov 18 '17

$0.02

Iain Banks! Hells yeah! Robert Anton Wilson! Woohoo! Illuminatus Trilogy?

👍 dbroze

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