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How to create an AI that can faithfully represent you? by kevinwong

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· @kevinwong · (edited)
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How to create an AI that can faithfully represent you?
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I'm NOT talking about an AI that:-
- looks and sounds like you.
- can see and hear like you. 

I'm talking about an AI that is able to represent your thoughts, opinions, knowledge, worldviews, right down to the finest nuances. An AI version of your mind, not exactly who you are in meatspace if that makes sense. 

How is this possible? How can anyone else know you?

There are two ways:-
- Just like anyone else, a statistical-AI (like chatGPT) guesses you based on their observations. It might guess that you love dogs based on the things you say and do online. This is basically how ad/recommendation bots profile you.
- Just like anyone else, a logical-AI (like the upcoming [Tau.net](https://tau.net)) can get to know you based on the things you tell them. It will never guess. You'd have to tell it directly (or indirectly) that you love dogs or whatever else you have in mind with your formalized statements and social activities on the network.

Obviously the first way can never faithfully represent anyone as there's an element of statistics, hence unfit for any serious applications like AI agents which are mission critical. Will you trust a statistical-AI agent of yourself to run around with your money and do stuff with it automatically? The banks don't. Their databases are entirely based on logical-AI. Failure is not an option. The machine learning AI approach is a dead-end for AI agents or representations. It's the only logical conclusion.

So the second way is really the only way to go if we want an AI that can faithfully represent us. The first way can of course be used to approximate an AI version of us in the beginning, but we'd eventually have to correct the AI and "finalize" through the second way and use it over time if we want proper AI agent representation.

> On Tau Net, users will be able to just say what they want, and trust it to happen, and to be faithfully represented in discussions. To be represented faithfully, users will also be able to specify their own meaning of individual words and terms to the system. Tau Net will offer a ‘Just say it’ AI interface between humans and logically organized information, thereby granting its users the ability to automatically obtain provably accurate action and results from the system.


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Why is it important to be able to have an AI that can faithfully represent you? To unlock new potentials, new possibilities. I'll fancily call them hypercompetition and hypercollaboration. Let's check out the points made on https://tau.net/tau-net/:-

><b>Individual and collaborative understanding</b>
Tau Net will automatically represent users in any number of large-scale discussions after they have provided the relevant information once. Tau Net will highlight areas where people agree, disagree, and contradict, between any number of people, and will act on these collaborative decisions, solving the need to explicitly vote. Users will be able to make their own individual requests, where Tau Net will respond with a logically accurate result.
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><b>Efficient discussion & development scaling</b>
Tau Net will enable efficient discussion of billions of people, as well as the acceleration of personal and scientific discoveries. Users will write their ideas and opinions in a form Tau Net can process, and it will automatically generate an opinion map showing the overlapping points of agreements and disagreements, exponentially increasing information utility.
>
><b>Controlling self-evolving software</b>
Users simply say what software they want, this can be anything such as asking the system to create new software or for the system itself to become something new entirely. Users will have unprecedented ability to have direct control in every aspect of the software’s behavior, with the system being able to prove requirements are met.
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><b>Decentralized development</b>
Tau Net’s entire user base will effectively control and collaboratively implement any desired aspect of its behavior as each block in the blockchain will contain a new agreed definition of Tau Net. Before making governance decisions users will be able to ask how the system itself works, including its current rules for change and conclusions, inconsistencies and potential outcomes before further implementations.
>
><b>Automatic Logic-based smart contracts</b>
The ability to use knowledge representation languages makes it possible for a user to write a contract using real world concepts and even include their own knowledge as an asset for trade. This establishes a novel knowledge economy within Tau Net. Contracts may include anything, such as rental of computer resources, financial instruments and Agoras ($AGRS). Tau Net will be able to automatically calculate and perform a chain of multiparty trades to exchange one asset to a desired outcome.
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><b>Worldviews</b>
On Tau Net, your user profile is called a Worldview. It is a personal repository of your knowledge, opinions and assets, where you can make changes to your opinions in all posts and relevant discussions across the entire network. A traditional user profile is centralized and limited to chronological posts of your thoughts and beliefs, which may not be in alignment with how you currently think.
>
><b>Agoras Token</b>
Agoras ($AGRS), is at the centre of trade within the Tau Net economy. It will be used in trade of knowledge, computer resources and financial instruments within Tau Net smart contracts, representing the total purchasing capability of all increasingly available assets in the system. Users can continuously evolve its utility and features from block to block.
>
><b>Knowledge Economy</b>
Users and teams are able to monetize their own knowledge by enabling other users to pay for access to it, trading even single pieces for cash. This creates a knowledge economy within Tau. This way, user’s accelerate their decision-making, communication, and discoveries, because Tau will automatically connect all information and knowledge within its knowledge base and highlight provably-correct solutions to problems where they’re detected, giving all information significant potential for use.

I guess discovering Tau.net's potential in scaling discussions is also part reason why I haven't really been saying much online ever since because doing those things before Tau.net (like now since the beginning of the Internet) has been a tiring Sisyphean exercise in saying the same things over and over again. With Tau.net, I'd just have to say whatever I have to say once and that's it.

Oh and if we can be faithfully represented by an AI under a certain logical framework like Tau.net, the concept of "automatic businessman" becomes possible:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd3bOwYSg44

Get into the waitlist today @ https://tau.net.

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I love how you explained everything. Great work☺️
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So much I am getting scared about what the world of artificial intelligence will bring to our world system
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@erh.germany ·
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Hi to you,
thanks for giving content on this topic. I will focus on only one critical point and am curious what you might answer. 

> Tau Net will enable efficient discussions between billions of people and accelerate personal and scientific discoveries.

I have doubts about these premises.
It is not possible to discuss with "billions of people. I can only discuss with one person at a time. So if there is a "discussion" (what exactly is that supposed to be, a debate, an argument, a conversation?) between "billions of people", then these billions are not talking to each other because one person cannot possibly do that. As a publicist, you can have an "audience of millions" reading something of yours. But not one person can talk to all of them. 

Why should it be desirable for personal and scientific discoveries to be "accelerated" if the human organism does not also experience this acceleration at the same time? And with it, all life forms on this planet, as man is embedded into all other life on earth.

To make it a little absurd, one would have to "live faster", i.e.: experience each stage of development in individual existence in an accelerated way. 

Modern civilised man, however, needs more time, not less, to grow from a child into an adult. In tribal societies, people became adults at the end of puberty. 

Today, individuals need much longer to develop because of the complexity of the technology that surrounds them and the social changes that come with it. That implies that the individual actually needs not less but more time to mature and grasp his world.

In other words, humans as organic beings have developed in the course of their evolution to become sexually mature at an early age and to reach a life span of several decades. One is not oriented towards acceleration in his relationship with technology. Since technology is always faster than man himself and it can be stated that the speed at which technical innovation in the field of computer technology makes communication between generations increasingly difficult, the individual is not helped even if, for example, parents and their children - who today grow up in completely different worlds that differ from each other in terms of technology - wanted to create communication by means of an AI representative. 
"Understanding" is not to be understood as purely verbal or textual or linguistic communication, but embedded in a temporal process of experience and maturation between organic beings that requires certain periods of time. One cannot replace "time". 

Acceleration makes generational conflicts bigger, not smaller, is how I see it. Maybe I am wrong, I don't know for sure. 

Only when people do not treat each other as natural persons, but as something else, does the use of AI seem necessary. It can be, if one as an individual has to deal with contracts and terms of use regarding the technology, which, because it is complicated, cannot be understood by oneself nor grasped in its fullness, help the individual to conclude contracts, for example. To counteract intended laws and long texts, for another example. But no matter how you turn it the individual needs to unterstand nevertheless what he deals with and cannot circumvent educating himself. If in communication with AI the individual needs to learn to ask intelligent questions. If AI can help man in doing so, I am not against that. In fact, I have chatted with an AI und became aware that my questions are very important and also critical thinking. 

It takes a lot of time though to chat with an AI. 

So what I do not perceive as "going for" is acceleration as something overall positive. 

Any thoughts in response?
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@kevinwong · (edited)
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> I have doubts about these premises.
It is not possible to discuss with "billions of people. I can only discuss with one person at a time. So if there is a "discussion" (what exactly is that supposed to be, a debate, an argument, a conversation?) between "billions of people", then these billions are not talking to each other because one person cannot possibly do that. As a publicist, you can have an "audience of millions" reading something of yours. But not one person can talk to all of them.

Check this page out for some of the explanation: https://tau.net/founder-blog-ohad-asor-on-social-choice/

Basically you'd have a worldview profile where it stores all your propositions, opinions, knowledge etc. You can also agree/disagree with statements on the network and they'll get added in your worldview or modify parts of it. Everyone's worldviews or "AI" will be discussing with each other, well not like humans, it just helps us with the burden of logical reasoning, deducing and finding conclusions, contradictions etc.

>Why should it be desirable for personal and scientific discoveries to be "accelerated" if the human organism does not also experience this acceleration at the same time? And with it, all life forms on this planet, as man is embedded into all other life on earth.
>
>To make it a little absurd, one would have to "live faster", i.e.: experience each stage of development in individual existence in an accelerated way.
>
>Modern civilised man, however, needs more time, not less, to grow from a child into an adult. In tribal societies, people became adults at the end of puberty.
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>Today, individuals need much longer to develop because of the complexity of the technology that surrounds them and the social changes that come with it. That implies that the individual actually needs not less but more time to mature and grasp his world.

Hence why this tech will greatly help. To make better sense of the world and to have a better say on what you want it to be.

*woops accidentally voted my own comment
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@erh.germany ·
What contexts are we talking about?
I assume you are talking about networks where people don't meet face to face and debate something to come to a decision? What examples do you personally have in mind when you say that it is your worldview profile that makes for approving or disapproving statements, which would then result in some kind of election outcome when a certain proposal is up for debate? But the question is who makes the proposals in the first place, isn't it? 

To take Hive as a model, there are two types of proposal-"entities"
- official submission of proposals via the infrastructure provided
- informal publications of certain opinion papers 

(Let's take the question of whether the downvote button should be abolished, just as an example). 
In your view, would the AI then be able to collect the results of those who actively and directly participate in a voting process, but also interpret the others who do not participate actively indirectly (through everything a person has ever posted publicly)? Since, for example, the AI would be able to link the voting topic to my content that, although not directly, is indirectly related to the voting question? 

The "problem" with votes is that they (should) result in "yes" or "no", but what about answers like "not now", "unsure" or "un-decidable"? How does an AI arrive at such results, which in principle would also be possible? What about the debates on the relevance of a proposal that take place *before* a vote? Who says how relevant an issue is? Is it relevant just because many want to debate it? It could be irrelevant just like so many questions that sound important but are not (one of which would be "how the universe came to be?, from my point of view). 

The problem with worldview is that it is not fixed in the individual and changes permanently. The other problem is that human beings do not really know themselves, but are changeable beings who permanently react to their environment and fellow human beings with contradictions. That's actually a huge one, contradictions and paradoxes.

If, for example, I were to look at my content and comments on Hive alone and an AI were to create a profile of me, I wouldn't know exactly what the result would be. But an AI is supposed to "know" that..., in other words, it would summarise the sum of my views (communication transmitted via text) in a clear profile... but could only do something with what I have ever said/written, while missing what I have never written down, but which is nevertheless present as a mental superstructure (without my ever being able to put it into words).   
What if I come into conflict with the profile the AI has of me? 

For example, I talked to an AI about a certain author and it gave me a summary of what he has written. I then told the chat bot that I think the summary was incorrect about what it emphasized which resulted in the AI apologizing and correcting itself. LOL

I would be happy if you debate with me, the references to the Tau page are unnecessary, I have already read a lot there, but want to talk to YOU ;)
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@kevinwong ·
I'm not sure what's the procedure for the transition, you'd probably still need some eth to sign a transaction for the transition. Once your agrs is on the mainnet you don't need eth anymore. Best to keep up to date with any news on the telegram channel
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