@kevinwong Inikalilah...?

Hmm... the topic that comes from boleh land at this point of time. :-)

Hope all is peaceful with the general elections in Malaysia bro. It's swarming my feed on Facebook now.

True, indeed..

It reminds me of Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan where the act of man and the State is explained through a consensual pact in the relationship of power between mandated and mandated.

You say that we are forced to choose incompetent clowns with incompetent rules and systems to be governed by people who are not suitable for that position.

I hope in the future to see that system of which you speak until then we must hold the "decision" of the majority.

Something new is indeed needed and this could be it :)

I have a partial solution to the problem.   Our reputations are somewhat hard to game but people utilizing upvote bots accelerated their reputations but it cost a lot of money.   Also a certain amount of unique voting over the last 6 months is hard to fake as well for an account.   

It is also impossible to fake having at least 500 or 1000 SP and spreading that amount to a ton of accounts won't be able to fool the right system that takes in the other criteria either.   

So here is what I feel needs to be done.   A new community is created either with SMTs or just a cloned chain of this or something built on EOS and everyone on here who meets the criteria gets air dropped an equal amount.   That way everyone engaging feels like they have a solid vested interest in the platform and a decent influence over the rewards pool.   

I honestly look at STEEM as more of a testnet at this point.   Overtime we are seeing the outcome of certain decisions and a platform that skips the mistakes and has a more fair launch has a good chance to grab hold.

"There is no government like NO government!" -Unknown

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>You would think that in a society made up of individuals, we could all list our individual opinions, ordered algorithmically before getting a consensus through some voting process that covers it all.

I liked that idea, individuals should be relevant in decision making, especially in politics where mostly small numbers of people are only allowed to make decisions and this will deprived us some Good Ideas or even the best ideas that change our world faster and better.

Recent US election is perfect example of a system flawed. The majority of the people of this country know that this man is a threat to everything we stand for and his mental stability is very questionable but gets elected through a system that allowed this to happen anyway. Americans must be concerned because this allows any Hitler type to seize control of this country and makes us incredibly vulnerable. @kevinwong

Hello. I liked your post, keep it up. Good luck to you and have a nice day :)

thanks for this information...

What I love about your post is not just the fact that you were dead on point but also how your post found a common ground between the flaws in the world voting system and that of Steemit which i now see as  one and the same.

Your third point struck a cord as in Nigeria people appear out of the blue to declare their intentions to go for a public office,  spray money around and he is in office. 

It's a great post, the beat I have read this morning

For the reason most individuals do not have or take the time to understand the topic one will vote for, or simply the topic is too complex to understand all implications, in a reasonable time, the general vting system does not work, at least not for large group voting, eg government elections and so on.

> This is why Bitcoin uses Proof-of-Work, and Steem, Delegated Proof-of-Stake. Not saying they're perfect, but they seem to work fairly well in massively open, permissionless environments where "Proof-of-Identity" is likely impossible.

You say they work fairly well. I doubt that to be honest. We try to believe they work fairly well, but I actually think the government and referenda voting works better than the voting system you refer to wrt blockchains. But that is my humble opinion :)

Politics is good and so the democracy but the corrupt politicians make politics bad, they are the one who made it dirty. 

Whatever the process of voting whether it is manual or automated, there is always a loophole in it where the red-handed politicians take advantage for their gain.

Hello @kevinwong

Such an in-depth thought on the current system of voting and its limitations.. 

>Good news: it may be possible to surpass the performance limitations imposed by some of the outmoded voting implementations. A small group people are already working on it now. But it's certainly not just a simple upgrade, as it would be the same crap if we just try to shove legacy voting methodologies into blockchains. Voting is just a process to reach consensus anyway, so the point is to have better ways of achieving consensus in a way that the aggregate of participants feel is fair, inclusive, and representative.

This sounds like it's gonna be a savior. I cant wait for it to come. And please can you give us a glimpse about the name of the platform 

@eurogee of @euronation community

Your post made me feel like I was looking at Steemit from the inside out, as your perspective is based upon an in-depth insight into the mechanics of the platform, people and technology.  I like how you've touched on the phycological aspect of voting and what drives one to vote the way one does, certainly made me ponder.  So, on the back of your recent post (I'm working in reverse, remember:), regarding your idea of automating the voting system, should and would eliminate most, if not all of the personal reasons for a Steemian to vote.  Maybe a certain level of automation, not fully, say 30% auto and 70% personal?  I'm a fish out of it's depth on this one, so I'll stop there.   And finally, awesome point @kevinwong and another reason why your idea of automating the voting system seems so interesting.

>It doesn’t matter if voting is so-called tamper-proof and sybil-resistant through the use of indelible ink, identity checks, or even blockchain technology. There's just no way to properly secure any voting platforms, especially around the premise of one person, one vote (also known as account-based voting). Anyone telling you otherwise must have not thought through the problem well enough.

Knew the article will lead to the Tau. I was interested in it and unfortunately facing a few obstacles in obtaining the coin: got no easy and clear way to hold Tau, and the coin is unlisted at all.

Interesting points you made here Mr. Kevin. Nice to see your still posting strong, hope your having a great year so far. Hopefully Steemit gets better and better with the abuse but, said truth is there's always people taking advantage that's life. Either way I still love it here on Steemit this idea of blockchain blogging still keeps making me come back and post even when sometimes I don't feel like it. Its the simple fact of you don't know who your goinh to meet next and you don't know which post will flourish with a nice upvote for your hard work. I'm very interested to see how the voting structure changes in the near future, it's inevitable. Time will tell. Stay humble and Steem on my friend!

The misuse of selfupvote is one of the major problems here. Some users dont want to be in a community and share everything with others, but instead working for themselves alone. Upvoting their own comments and leaving. And it is not only about whales, but also new minnows who dont understand the right strategy to survive here. Instead of making friends and growing here together, they prefer to be alone, what makes them look like spammers and couldnt go any step further.

Once we get bigger than a tribe our social concepts get exponentially more complex. The electoral system minus bribery seems to have some merit

I agree with what you say.
And I also noticed that the relationship of proximity or relationship became the cause of voting. I see things that happen so often.

Voting System is worst in Pakistan. All the corrupt politicians don't want to set the bio-metric system to get accurate results. A number of votes are sold by the individuals forcefully or due to ignorance. Those people blindly believe on those corrupt politicians as they fulfill some of their needs.  
Very informative Article indeed. Stay Blessed @kevinwong!

A very detailed and elaborative analysis, I agree with your opinion about the voting system in general, it becomes more difficult to organize and implement a voting system on a larger scale.

Voting, as you tightly stated, is just a means to an end.....

A way to bring groups and entities together through some methods to achieve desired consensus. 

So, even if Voting is just a process to reach consensus, the point is most definitely to have better ways of achieving consensus in a way that the aggregate of participants feel is fair, inclusive, and representative.

As for achieving perfection in voting, I do doubt that it could be possible, considering the myriad of corruption everywhere.....

Excellent post once again @kevinwong ! Glad to be following you and having you on my auto voter so I dont miss your posts ! Blockchains definitly a glimpse of whats to come and im sure the future will be much friendlier , at least I hope so !! Keep up the great work , Also resteemed !
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To me this is actually the most fascinating aspect of Steemit, even though it in one word is: chaosabusivebotswindling.

@kevinwong Young people need to vote. They need to get out there. Every vote counts. Educate yourself too. Don't just vote. Know what you're voting for, and stand by that.

I guess, voting rules are always a trade-off between optimal representation, practicality and particular interests when it's about setting up the rules.

"Our traditional ways of achieving consensus will still be around for some time, _even in the blockchain space'_. This is an informative reminder. Thank you.

_Not to be taken as financial advice._. Very true.

I really appreciate it, quite informative 

True indeed, the voting system on steemit is still unfair just like the electoral process around the globe. The public just goes with the voting systems even if they believe it's not right. And this will take a lot of efforts to change. I hope steemit figures out a solution to this however long it takes because steemit is here to stay.

Hopefully the future steam users put forward the positive things 
@kevinwong 🙏