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RE: Why does no one explain the semiautomatic firing mechanism? by kirbyhopper

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· @kirbyhopper · (edited)
Alright. 7 words: Just do what Australia did. It works.
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@ganjafarmer ·
Violent crime is actually flourished and private citizens are paying the price there is a huge movement to restore Firearms rights to rightful owners of Australia. However homemade Firearms by criminals are flourishing.

However you cannot blame the tool that was used to commit the murder.

We must hold the murderer accountable.
If you impose the death penalty for every murder? Murder would drop.

However the safest areas are where everybody has the right to protect themselves. 

Let us take the Civil War era where everybody had firearms. The southern tradition of extreme respect came from needing to be an offense of to avoid a gunfight. 

Protect victims. Give a tiny woman the ability to defend herself against a larger man. 

A friend of mine who is a single mother as well as a very intelligent nurse. She had to get a gun to protect herself from an abusive relationship. 

However we do need to start taking better care of the mental health of people. 

The Florida Shooter had been reported numerous times and nobody cared. 

We should be focusing on the four officers who had guns and stood around while children were being slaughtered.  Every patrol car has an assault rifle. Every single one of those officers was responsible for protection of the children.

You can't take away the guns of the police. However you need police who are willing to do their job. However we still need more information about that.

But nobody is talking about why these individuals are doing what they are doing. 

There was a stabbing spree in China that resulted in 33  dead and 150 wounded.

Don't ban spoons because people are fat.
Don't take away the right for a human being to protect their life. Please don't disarm victims.

Early on in the Oregon medical marijuana program Elder and disabled people were targeted by criminals and gangs. They would actually commit horrific home invasion assaults.

3600% increase in violent crimes toward elderly and disabled people in the first year. I was one of those who survived. 

What we need to do is truly hold somebody who does such a horrific crime accountable. So many of the perpetrators of such violence get away with slap on the wrist. In Oregon you could murder somebody and with good behavior be on the street in 7 years.

It's not the perpetrators. We need to fix the justice system and the mental health.
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@kirbyhopper ·
>Violent crime is actually flourished and private citizens are paying the price there is a huge movement to restore Firearms rights to rightful owners of Australia.

Can you document that violent crime is flourishing in Australia since they enacted tough gun laws?

Thanx.
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@justusagenstum ·
Have you ever tried to do your  own research, rather than carryout the Liberal agenda of being entitled to have others do your work for you...this isn't rocket surgery genius
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@justusagenstum ·
If guns are the problem, why aren't you and your Liberal lackeys arresting the gun, charging it with the crime, then taking it to court to try the case and let the gun defend itself...are you too afraid of having to FINALLY face the fact that an inanimate object, much like your brain, isn't to blame for the acts carried out by criminals?
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@graytail ·
Well, not to be obnoxiously picky, but that's 6 words.

And we'll still have to repeal the 2nd Amendment before we can  we can try that.  So everyone should immediately start advocating  for repeal.    Right?  What's the point, otherwise?  You can't ban guns until you repeal the Constitutional right to own them.
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@kirbyhopper · (edited)
Fixed it. Thanx.

I don't think so because we didn't have to repeal the 2nd Amendment  to outlaw the ownership of guns by convicted felons. The Constitution doesn't prevent such things because it's up to the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution and the laws that get passed. If the Court says it's not unconstitutional then it's not unconstitutional, and even if the Court says state laws are unconstitutional but the citizens of the states still want to follow those laws there's nothing the Court can do about it.  The only thing that can be done about it is the federal government can withhold funds from the states for things like re-paving the interstate highway in those states but the states can just ignore the feds, take a cut in revenue, and go on outlawing certain types of guns or restrict who can own one.
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@ganjafarmer ·
Felons can't own guns it's already a crime. That's why background checks are NCIS federal checks...  Extra fee.  Waiting period. Paperwork and Id?
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@graytail · (edited)
I've very new here and I don't know the culture well yet, so I'm not sure if debate is popular - please let me know.  I tend to debate.

What I'm trying to understand about gun control advocates, is what they ultimately want.  I'd be willing to debate the merits of the 2nd Amendment - I'm not a lover of firearms - but short of that, I don't understand how we solve the problem, as defined.  

And what is exactly IS that problem?  We have people in our culture that are deranged and murderous.  They can commit mass murder in a number of ways.  What makes firearms unique is that they are protected by the Constitution.  Concentrating on firearm availability isn't very productive because the average citizen has an ironclad right to own them, and there are already so many in existence.  And if semiautomatic weapons have existed for a century or more, something else must have changed.  It can't be the weapon itself.  Right?  But that's a broader subject.

We can debate whether the Supreme Court would uphold a ban on semiautomatics (I seriously doubt they would), but at least that would be a principled approach.  And we could budget for a national buyback program, but remember - 400 million of them already.  It seems logical that there would still be plenty for deranged people and criminal gangs.

I just don't see the Australian example working in the USA because of the 2nd Amendment and the sheer quantity of them already in existence.  But ... it's hard to predict the future.  

Thanks for responding.
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@stormrider · (edited)
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No, it didn't. Home invasion is a serious problem there. I also find it convenient that Australia's statistics aren't compared with the U.S. on a per capita basis. The fact is that the vast majority of gun violence in the US occurs in the cities that have the strictest gun control.  My individual rights are not up for debate, and I don't care about your feelings about it. I will take responsibility for my safety instead of screaming at a government to keep me protected from the scary people.
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@graytail ·
As if government actually can protect you from the scary people.

I read an article today about the deputy who took a defensive position and waited, while he listened to children being killed.  Just swell.  And he apparently earned a 6 figure salary right up until we discovered that he didn't have what it takes to defend children.  I always end up wondering who was responsible for this person.  Didn't he have a boss?  Why isn't it the boss's fault too?  For instance, did we ever hear who Pvt Manning's boss was?  Why does he still have a job?  What the heck IS a manager or supervisor, if their employees are bozos?  I mention the article because I learned a new term from it.  "Check-sucker".

We're going to count on check-suckers to protect our children?  Nu uh.  I think not.  

Meanwhile, the problem solvers are all hysterical about which firearms we should "ban".  It's so pathetic that it's frightening.
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@kirbyhopper ·
I provided at least one of those per-capita stats you are looking for in [this post](https://steemit.com/politics/@kirbyhopper/stopping-gun-violence-just-do-what-australia-did-it-works). What Australia did, is working, if you're willing to see it.
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@stormrider ·
I'm willing to view violence for what it really is instead of blaming inanimate objects for human behavior. I also will not comply with a buyback or turn-in order.  I'm interested in how you plan to deal with people like me who will not give up our rights. Please give details.
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