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Should STEEM Users be Able to Upvote Their own Content? by klye

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Should STEEM Users be Able to Upvote Their own Content?
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<b><img src="https://puu.sh/rR5L2/2e74c93bc2.png"> The Upvote... A show of support, acceptance and here on STEEM: a way to get paid.</b>

But at what point does upvoting your own content become needless or frowned upon?

Sure, when your upvote is worth a fraction of a penny it may not seem like a big deal.. 
But what about when your upvote is actually worth real money?! What of it then?

<center><h2>Should we be able to Upvote our own Content?</h2></center>Now I'll be the first one to admit it, Every single post I've ever created on the STEEM network I've thrown my own upvote at.. But was I right to do so? This post serves to debate this.

Depending on what social media network you're familiar with self upvoting or liking is viewed in different lights, for example:

<h2><img src="http://puu.sh/sleUX/d2894589be.png"> Facebook</h2>You'd rather be caught dead than upvoting your own posts. Self liking on facebook is viewed on their network as about the most desperate and ridiculous thing a user can do. Your mom or grandma liking your post is only slightly less embarrassing than self liking on Facebook... 

<h2><img src="http://puu.sh/sleRo/581956be80.png"> Reddit</h2>By default when you post on Reddit you upvote your own content. It's not frowned upon and no one cares if you do so. Unlike the example with FB given above redditors haven't attached any sort of social stigma to self upvoting. Why? Because the upvotes on reddit aren't worth anything more than imaginary fairy farts is my guess.

<center><h2>How do we Determine What is Acceptable?</h2></center>Simple really! As a community we get to decide if allowing self upvoting will be frowned upon in the future! The wonderful thing about STEEM is that it's future is indeed dictated by its users and witnesses which run the network. 

Do you want to see change? Raise your voice and opinion and it will be heard! Such is STEEM

<center><b>Please comment below on if you'd like to see self upvoting abolished or remain the same.</b></center>
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@acidyo ·
>By default when you post on Reddit you upvote your own content. It's not frowned upon and no one cares if you do so.

This is of course since there is no limit to upvoting on Reddit.

My train of thought on Steemit when upvoting has been to vote on your own content, but not comments (unless they really needed some visibility)

To be honest I would find it strange seeing someone vote on every comment of their own, when that voting power could be used to share with the rest of the community instead and connect with others at the same time. I also hope it doesn't give you Reputation points from voting on your own comments, as I think rep is directly correlated with your posting rewards...
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@anduweb ·
I think we shouldn't be setting a block there. I don't upvote for my posts generally, and this should be general practice, but I think if we start *denying* stuff, we'd be opening a pandora's box in terms of censorship.
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@klye ·
I think you're in part correct with the removal of being able to upvote our own stuff being viewed as censorship.. Thanks for your input sir. :)
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@ausbitbank · (edited)
I think people should upvote their own posts, but should be selective about upvoting their own comments. 
I've seen plenty of users spam low value comments and upvote themselves with their voting trails..
That said, I don't think we should enforce any rules to stop it either as much as it annoys me ..
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@klye ·
It does become a matter of the people sort of policing themselves as to what they see is acceptable.
Sometimes when things annoy me I ignore them.. Perhaps they go away and sometimes that works!

But the times it doesn't the only thing you can really do is ask the user to stop..

I'm not completely read up on the voting trail stuff yet. But I can imagine voting yourself up with loaned voting power is a problem and those doing should be brought under scrutiny. If given power like that you need to use it properly lest it corrupt you. :/
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@benjojo ·
I stopped upvoting my posts a while ago in order to make more reward available to others.  I am fortunate to have a dolphin level stake and I wouldn't expect anyone below a dolphin to do the same.  It is in my interests to see steem distributed more widely but I am also just happy with my stake.  Ultimately the ability to choose should remain and with the acknowledgement that every situation is different.  If I was to produce a post that took a great deal of effort or I thought was very valuable to the community and needed maximum exposure, I might choose to upvote my own post.
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@klye ·
Thank you for this. It's awesome to see people thinking of the greater good rather than themselves. <3
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@complexring ·
Of course they should be able to.  Otherwise, they will create separate accounts to power up and vote versus writing.
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@klye ·
I'm leaning towards this too. Unless of course it's having a massive drain on the reward pool.
Some accounts out there can vote large weighty votes. Wouldn't be right to abuse that.
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@complexring ·
What's the point of buying Steem and powering up if you can't vote on the content you want?  Isn't that one of the main incentives for people to buy Steem and power up?

With that mindset, all votes are a drain on the reward pool and no one should vote -- ever!
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@demotruk ·
I see it as akin to raising your voice. Sometimes it's appropriate, even necessary. Most of the time though it's a faux pas.
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@dwinblood ·
Since it can move your comment about in the visibility spectrum I believe you should be able to up vote your own posts.    When I first started here and read it was a good idea to up vote your own posts from some craig-rant tutorials I did it for awhile.    Then I learned about the fact we had a % of voting power that decreased with each vote.   I was very vocal at the time so up voting my posts significantly reduced my voting power.

I stopped up voting any of my comments or replies at that time so that my voting power would not be diluted by my own actions.    I will up vote my own blog post, and I don't see a problem with it.   I don't see a problem with people up voting their comments either, I just chose not to do so due to voting power dilution.   Now with the slider it'd be easy to up vote my comments again, but I really haven't begun to do that.
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@ervin-lemark ·
Why shouldn't you upvote your own posts?

You like your posts, don't you? So go ahead and upvote them :)

I have a feeling that we've had this discussion already, several months ago.
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@klye ·
Good points. I'm not debating it either way. Merely collecting what others are thinking with this post.

Thanks for your input ervin! We probably did discuss this months ago.. I was too busy doodling at that point though likely. XD
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@everittdmickey ·
how much money are we talking about here?
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@klye ·
> $20 lets say?
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@everittdmickey ·
I'd guess you're several orders' of magnitude off...too big.  When I upvote my posts it uptick about a tenth of a cent...if that much.
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@generation.easy · (edited)
Not to mention names, but the only ones who are of concern are whales. But they dont post often enough to actually be a problem. Plus, there posting reward would amount to only fraction of there daily curation reward.
I personally think upvoting your own stuff shouldnt be possible, or at most, only worth a "fairy fart" you speak of.
But ubtil it posses a problem, im not concerned. The whales are, for the most part, responsible users
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@klye ·
Appreciate you going against the grain and siding that self upvoting should be dissallowed or made only superficial with next to no payout. :)
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@karenmckersie · (edited)
We used to always upvote our posts 4 months ago! Then it all stopped when price dropped. 😊
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@klye ·
Price aside.. Do you think it's a acceptable thing we can upvote ourselves Karen? :)
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@karenmckersie ·
Well everyone just automatically  had the check mark on and did it before! They made more if they got alot of upvotes for it! But doing it now is really pointless because it has no effect. So no one bothers any more. 😊
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@katharsisdrill ·
Frowning never did anything good. Either just remove the upvote-button from the users own content, or let people vote for themselves.

I think I prefer the first option, remove the button. That way people can use one more vote for other things.
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@klye ·
That is an interesting angle for sure.. That would solve the self upvote thing.. But would people just not upvote from alt accounts then?
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@katharsisdrill · (edited)
Maybe, but nothing keeps them from doing that now, anyways. It would for example make it impossible for you to upvote yourself to come on top of in the comment section. Others would be the judges and I think that would be OK.

Either-or I think that it should just be a structural decision, but that is maybe because I do not really trust the big social media lynch-pussy to be the master of too much frowning :)

EDIT: I will let it stand because it is actually quite fitting, but I am aware of the typo in <em>lynch-posse</em>
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@l0k1 ·
I believe that in most democracies the candidates can vote also, and vote for themselves, and the same in corporate boards. Really, you *should* vote on yourself, since you believe in you, right? Facebook is more of a meme replication system than a real social network in my opinion, and like you say, a like in facebook also has the value of unicorn faeces...
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@klye ·
I am a big fan of this response. Thank you for explaining your thoughts on the matter.
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@tibonova ·
You've just changes my feelings about self-upvoting. ;) I used to feel shame when I did upvote my own posts, but I did it nevertheless, because it is a rational move.
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@lemouth · (edited)
I rarely upvote my comments. It however happened when related to plagiarism or fraud to counteract in advance any potential frustrated downvote. 

Concerning my own blog posts, I have always upvoted them but the reason is that the box was checked by default.
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@karenmckersie ·
Yes same here! My box is check marked as everyones post should be first . So you get the author rewards  but i never upvote my own  when i give someone a comment  or reply to their post! It just doesnt pay anything and theres no advantage to doing it! Steem on! ♨🖒♨
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@lemouth ·
The only advantage is to move your comment to an upper position when there is a lot of comments.
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@klye ·
I find I often upvote my own comments if I want to put them closer to the top so they don't get buried. Other than that I avoid it.
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@majes ·
Of Course, why else would anyone power up ?
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@klye ·
Hahahah. Power up to upvote our own stuff... Interesting concept. :)
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@majes · (edited)
Yeah, isn't it...

I got it from steem.inc
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@meesterboom · (edited)
I think you should do as you please, I rarely upvote my comments but often upvote my posts probably because the checkouts used to be auto checked. Not noticed if it isn't anymore. I think as a weapon of annoyance it is an option that should always be available!
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@klye ·
> "I think you should do as you please"

I can't disagree with that, unless of course it harms someone else.
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@meesterboom ·
A very valid point Mr Klye!! Yes, I agree there.
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@merej99 ·
I'm a bit torn with this and I love that you've brought the subject up for debate.
I've written for Hubpages and (the defunct) Bubblews and voting for one's self was not offered. I understand the rationale of people who believe doing so is a sign of narcissism and greed. I get it.  I really do.  And a big part of me believes we should withhold voting for ourselves. 

But I'm a fucking hypocrite at this point because my settings have me upvoting my own posts upon submission.  WHY? **Because it's there *and I haven't bothered changing it.***  If the option disappeared tomorrow, I would not be upset about it.

The argument that we like our content so should be able to upvote it is, in my humble opinion, ***ridiculous***.  Of course we like our own content or we wouldn't have put the time and effort into posting the damned thing!  

http://i.giphy.com/AC1HrkBir3bGg.gif

@l0k1 has the only response that makes me pause. If I was running for office, I would cast a vote for myself. I'm sure you have voted yourself for witness too, right @klye? Is that wrong?  No. I believe that is part of our civic duty. 

**So...  how do I feel about it?**
http://i.giphy.com/l0K4nCoSjvMx0agYE.gif

I kind've left a really long-assed comment to say: I don't really give a shit. Until "beta" disappears, all things are subject to change.
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@klye · (edited)
Hahahaha. This was a great response to this post. I got a great giggle out of your choice of gifs and wording.

All of what you said resonates pretty well with me. I don't think us self upvoting is a bad thing at all really.

I clicked my post aut-upvote off and now upvote myself 30 minutes after. Why? Because it make me feel good to throw a penny at myself. I guess that may sound a bit greedy to some.. And I'll gladly throw a penny at them too. :P
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@mynameisbrian ·
Yes. It is your vote. You can do what you want with it.
I usually don't upvote my comments, but I think I will today :)
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@klye ·
It's your right to upvote your own stuff.. At least that is my thought.

I posed this post merely as a vehicle for debate. Personally I don't think it's a big deal unless you're self upvoting as a malicious means to drain the reward pool.
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@mynameisbrian ·
I appreciate the post. In fact I really appreciate A LOT of what you have been doing recently.
Keep it up!
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@screenname ·
Re: Should STEEM Users be Able to Upvote Their own Content?
<p>This post has been ranked within the top 10 most undervalued posts in the second half of Nov 17. We estimate that this post is undervalued by $20.04 as compared to a scenario in which every voter had an equal say.</p> 
<p>See the full rankings and details in <a href="https://steemit.com/curation/@screenname/the-daily-tribune-most-undervalued-posts-of-nov-17---part-ii">The Daily Tribune: Nov 17 - Part II</a>. You can also read about some of our methodology, data analysis and technical details in <a href="https://steemit.com/curation/@screenname/introducing-the-daily-tribune-most-undervalued-posts-of-nov-04---part-i">our initial post</a>.</p>
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@steevc ·
I use @steemvoter to vote on my own posts after 30 minutes, so others have a chance to get something first. I may get 0.001 Steem for myself for that. I don't see it as doing any harm and it may help me a little.
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@klye ·
I generally upvote my posts somewhere after the 30 minute mark as well but manually to be honest.
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@merej99 ·
I think I may begin doing this now. Thanks for the idea. :)
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