> βTo know and not to do, is not to know.β<br/>- Wang Yangming <div class="pull-right"><center><img src="http://i.imgur.com/SuDP22K.jpg" /></center></div> *What does that mean?* One can have **internal initial wisdom**, but there is also **external proper wisdom**. I say initial and proper, because the proper wisdom has to do with *executing right-actions* (physical or verbal), while the initial wisdom is the *understanding* of how to act, but not acting yet. There is a difference between having *internal knowledge and understanding*, and properly applying that knowledge and understand to **externally** act upon it. If we *don't act* upon our understanding of what's right to do, then we're *missing out* on engaging in right-action, and will likely keep engaging in either a suboptimal action, a wrong-action, or inaction that prevents change for the better. <div class="pull-left"><center><img src="http://i.imgur.com/Lz3sjCa.jpg" /></center></div> If we want to change our behavior to engage in better actions, then we need to have the *inner-vision first* before executing that *vision into the world*. We need to ***think** of what's right* before we can ***be** right*. First comes the initial internal wisdom, then comes the proper external wisdom. Understanding must be unified with action at some point in order for something to result from that understanding. This is the basis of the [Trivium Methodology](https://steemit.com/philosophy/@krnel/the-trivium-method-of-thinking-and-learning) (*knowledge, understanding and wisdom*). Otherwise, ***understanding without action leads to nothing being done in the end***. Nothing will end up changing or being healed in the world. *Action* through conscious **will-power** is required for things to **change** around us. Having accurate understanding of what βisβ in reality is the first step. We need to gain *knowledge* first, then *process* it to *understand* it better. ***Once we know, what are we going to do with what we know?*** That is how you can **know something but not truly know it** because you're **not acting on that knowledge**. Knowledge provides understanding so that we can act wisely. The knowledge/understanding is what brings us the *potential to act*. If we don't bring that knowing into being/doing, then we don't really know the value of the knowledge or understanding that can bring us to act, and that *means we don't really know*. The quote ("to know and not to do, is not to know") is one of those *"cleverly"* worded phrases that wants to *mystify* you with a *paradox*; that doesn't make sense unless you dig deeper into it's meaning. It's like an *encoded message* that needs to be deciphered. It's short and confusing, so not the best for conveying direct meaning. **Knowledge and understanding is not power in itself. Right-action developed through accurate understanding imbues knowledge with power. Knowledge alone has no power. Our will-power makes knowledge powerful because we act upon it. Knowledge and understanding have no power in the world without the wisdom to act on it rightly.** <div class="pull-right"><center><img src="http://i.imgur.com/fwG7ZBQ.jpg" /></center></div> We can *remake* the falser conditioned versions of ourselves into *truer selves*. Remove the conditioning into falsity, and *recondition ourselves in truth instead*. **Unlearn** what we have learned automatically and involuntarily. And instead, **voluntarily choose to learn more** accurate knowledge about the world and ourselves (self-knowledge). *Right-action* is knowing and understanding properly, and then acting upon it. We can act from a position of lack of knowledge and understanding and hope to get the results we want. But since we don't know enough about the situation to produce the results we want, acting from a position of *ignorance* is not likely to produce the *results we really want*. Only by understanding the **core foundational root causal factors** of the situation/problem we are in (why something is as it is), can we come to a position of accurate understanding in order to apply **proper solutions**. The knowledge and understanding is one level of *empowerment*, but our willpower is required to empower us to greater levels of being through the **wisdom of right-action**. It's true that sometimes we can have the wisdom to act, but we are *limited* and *unable* to act in that fullest potential wisdom due to the limits of our ability to influence change upon the world (we can't control everyone else). We can know what needs to be *done*, but getting everyone *to do it* is something else entirely. Sometimes the only action to take is to **output knowledge and understanding** through *words* to *write, speak, share*, and *preach* about it for others to learn. Then when we are on the same page, we can make things happen together. That's how we can change the human world we live in, by co-creating through common knowledge and understanding of what matters. Being on the same page is important, and requires unified knowledge as well as unified moral action. ---- **Thank you for your time and attention. 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i think it incrasing our knowledge and i try it.
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Be - Do - Have That is the proper order of things. Because without proper knowing, you actions will be folly. But when you change your thoughts to proper thinking, then you actions will be in harmony with the universe, and good will flow from your doing.
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In general, I can agree with that :) Be, Do, Have is a good model, as opposed to what some use as Have, Do, Be (wrong order). "I need to have something, before I do something, then I'll be something" "Get this, to do that, to be 'happy'" for instance.
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A well written article indeed.Good point. Knowledge is power, upped.
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Wow.... another good philosophy post from you! It is very practical and enriching for me personally.
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I have heard that their is a connection to the growth of the brain and wisdom. At some point as an adult the brain is 'ready' to understand and grows wisdom. At about 48 I noted I was starting to gain this wisdom factor. I could not have had it at 42 or 36 even if I tried. I was not ready. My brain was not ready. It is different ages for different people from what I see. Don''t know if there is any science on this, however it is my understanding. Good article. Thanks for the wisdom today. - Troy
author | enjoywithtroy |
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I don't there is truth to that. Wisdom is psychological. Psychological development occurs with age of course, as a 1 year old isn't as experienced with the world or themselves. But you don't need to be 30, 40 or 50 to gain wisdom of what is right to do ;) It's base don information from our environment that allows us to learn. Reality teaches, but are we paying attention or looking to learn actively? Time is required. Put in the time early and you can become wiser earlier.
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Thanks for explaining it that way. It makes more sense. I must have been a late bloomer LOL - Troy
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There is "emotional knowledge" and "intellectual knowledge". The emotional knowledge is if I really understood something in my inner core. Lived knowledge if you like. I can get taught that crypto markets are very volatile for example and on an intellectual knowledge standpoint I might understand why and how to act accordingly. But to really understand it I have to experience it myself and then how I react and if I really understood it. As Tony Robbins said "Knowledge is not powerβ¦itβs potential power. Execution will trump knowledge any day." very good read.
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this post is really inspiring
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"Though I have all knowledge and have not will power, I am nothing." I paraphrase but I think another great writer agrees with you, although yours maybe a little easier to understand. Keep up the great work.
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Thanks, good quote too ;)
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It sort of reminds me of when you see something happening to someone like a fight for example , you see them getting Beat , you want to act , a lot of people do, but don't , why does that happen ? @krnel
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Fear. And that makes us less united, integrated and consistent within ourselves. We become conflicted because we don't do what we know we should do :(
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I wish there was a way to conquer that fear , make us more united with humanity .
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we should use the informations we know, we have to take action!
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#Motivation
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"Our will-power makes knowledge powerful because we act upon it." **OR** does accruing knowledge about our own will-power help our will-power become more powerful since we know more about it than we used to?
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Knowledge of self, self-knowledge, is empowering to help understand how willpower is important.
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Yes, thanks for this very good motivation @krnel.
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Whenever the topic of 'knowing' comes up I am always reminded of a quote by one of my favorite philosophers, Socrates: _"I know one thing; that I know nothing"_ Socrates was really smart, especially for his day
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> "I know one thing; that I know nothing" Do you want to explain it? It's a contradiction on it's own terms. And it's not true that one knows nothing. I don't like convoluted "clever" rhetoric because it can provide false interpretations that confuse people and gives them a misunderstanding about how things operate.
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Hah, you ask a good question, I knew I should have prepared before commenting !! It's not so easy to explain what he means by this without going deeper into Plato/Socrates. Socrates was known for his inquisitive style of teaching philosophy. Oftentimes it would start with somebody making a claim, and Socrates asking questions which slowly uncover the errors in thinking of the one who said it. Socrates often 'acted the fool' and was thus the wiser man. I found this excellent summary of Socrates' 'lack of knowledge' online which I will copy/paste here: [quote] "You need the full quote/ story to begin to understand this quote. Plato gives a version of the story from the mouth of his Socrates, in his βApology for Socratesβ. Socrates had a friend named Chaerephon who went to the Oracle at Delphi and asked if any man was wiser than Socrates. The Oracle replied that no-one was wiser than Socrates. Socrate heard about this and was confused and troubled by the answer. Socrates says that he is very conscious of the fact that he is not wise at all. Yet he knows the Oracle to be the voice of the Gods and spoke the truth, he must therefore be the wisest. This seemed paradoxical to him. So Socrates went out and sought wise men and he questioned them. When he challenged their wisdom through questions, the wise would become angry and avoid him. Socrates decides that he is in fact wiser than these men. For the βwiseβ believe that they are wise and many around them believe in their wisdom. Socrates finds that neither of them knows anything worthwhile but the wise believe they know something and yet they do not anything worthwhile. Socrates at least realises that he does not know anything worthwhile. Socrates paraphrases the Oracle to have meant βhuman wisdom is worthless, the wisest are those who like Socrates know that their wisdom is worthlessβ. The story is subversive (which is ironic as Socrates tells this story in his defence when accused of subversion). The first people that he said that he challenged were the politicians who led Athens. Socrates asserts the right of the philosopher to challenge authority and the right of the fool to be a philosopher. For Socrates perhaps, wisdom is to be found in questions and not in answers. [/endquote] I think that does a decent job at explaining.
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"understanding without action leads to nothing being done in the end". Sounds like "Shoot first and ask questions later" (a philosophy I ascribe to myself) This all sounds very much like Kant's Transcendental Aesthetic... another attempt at the great epistemological question.
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Well not really shoot first, you missed the part of understanding being about WHY, and the knwoeldge being about WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN. Questions first :P
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But from what I gathered, it talked about understanding being intuitive... an a priori understanding... shoot first and... was just a sort of crude generalization of that.
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Its interesting to read this from you Krnel. I just heard yesterday in a TV series which I thought was profound - "Sometimes the wisdom is in knowing that you CANNOT change it"... Like you refer to right action, sometimes, right action is to NOT act... Thank you for the share!
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Yes, I have a post on that: [The Power of Unbecoming, Apophasis and Wei Wu Wei](https://steemit.com/philosophy/@krnel/the-power-of-unbecoming-apophasis-and-wei-wu-wei-empower-yourself-to-change-and-change-the-world)
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> We can act from a position of lack of knowledge and understanding and hope to get the results we want. But since we don't know enough about the situation to produce the results we want, acting from a position of ignorance is not likely to produce the results we really want. But sometimes we do get the results we wanted despite having the wrong assumptions about the world. In this way we get a false-positive feedback that allows us to keep a chunk of flawed knowledge and to even feel that it has been confirmed. This is why being sure of knowledge gained only through personal experience is not always prudent and this is why we should always be open to changing the positions we hold thinking they are knowledge. I personally think that we should probe into reality as much as we can and should question all assumptions as much as possible, so we can continue to adjust our internal model of reality to something that is slowly creeping closer and closer to correctly describing reality (both individually and as a species as a whole). But we should also keep in mind that it's extremely likely that at least a part of the model that we have established so far might not really correspond to reality. In a broader sense, I honestly don't know how to approach the term knowledge as I have a very hard time establishing any absolute claim with absolute certainty. As we are limited in our understanding, our internal model of reality is always going to be incomplete and imperfect, so keeping that in mind what it knowledge really? To a certain extent, the way you approach it here in this post is quite practical if I'm reading your points correctly - knowledge is the beliefs we hold about reality that allow us to achieve the desired results through our actions. In this way, even if we are basing ourselves on false positives or misplacing the causal link, we still have an internal approximation of reality that allows us to get the results we want more often than not through our actions. Am I close to what you meant or am dragging your point out of context here?
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Knowledge is information. The apple is green. The apple is red. Using logic to derive understanding, we notice a contradiction that needs to be resolved. We can distinguish truth from falsity by reflecting back to the grounding in reality. The apple is actually red, not green. I distinguish belief from knowledge in that belief is trust, loyalty and faith put into something. There are two (main?) types of belief that I have discerned, one that I call healthy and the other unhealthy, in terms of properly aligning our perceptions with reality.  Unverified knowledge is belief. Claims of truth that aren't verified are not truth to us because we haven't verified it. We can believe and have trust, loyalty and faith in others, which is the foundation for cooperation and human success, as we can't know and verify what happened in other people's lives and must trust them and their competency. A health belief is fine, so long as we don't actually call it the actual truth that is demonstrable and verified. When people tell us things, we can say we believe them, or we believe they are telling us the truth, because that's how it actually works. Truth has a definition. It's veracious and veritably verifiable, from Latin veritas (truth). Belief has a definition, which is of faith, loyalty and trust in something, an idea, a person, etc. To accept truth is objective, one only need to initially have faith, trust and loyalty to believe the truth is possible, then when one goes out to understand more and verify things, one can indeed verify that truth exists as a universal grouping order construct, like reality, existence, universe do. Many things exist yet don't exit in themselves as their own individual things, like an apple, atom, etc. Morality is another thing that exists as a description reflecting our behaviors. Truth is a reflection of "what is" or what was, and there is the future that will be the truth of what will come to be when it happens. Belief potentials from imagination are where we can create anything and then verify with reality to see if what we think is true or not. It can lead us to a type 2 truth as I call it, moral truth of possible ways to live.  Right and wrong can be objectively determined. I don't adhere to your definition of objective. Actions come from hands that are real. Actions are real. They are objective. What they do is objective. The harm they create is objective. The basic foundation is the objective harm from murder, rape, assault, theft. If someone doesn't understand that those actions are real and objectively discerned, then that sucks that they can't see the reality of human behavior before their eyes. I can't get past rigid "left"-brain imbalanced mindsets like that. Discerning what is objective and what is subjective is required, which I have tried to do: [Objective and Subjective Defined](https://steemit.com/philosophy/@krnel/objective-and-subjective-defined). Simply because something originate from a subjective internal consciousness of thoughts and emotions, actions are in the real world with effects and are objective occurrences. Subjective morality is fake false understanding of how morality works as a representation and reflection of our behavior. Objective morality is objective discernment of the difference between right and wrong. And it's complex as hell, as there are nearly infinite context and situations that can arise, which is why rulsets are not the goal, but proper thinking. Learning how to think is required so that differentiation can be done given a context, not rote obedience to a rulset like the "legal" system has co-opted in place of moral law comprehension. Indeed, we must always be ready to revise something if better reflections with reality emerge. But there is a real territory we are discovering, and if we discover 5% of one aspect, and later 5% more, it doesn't mean that the first 5% was wrong, but only applicable to that depth of perception which limited deeper comprehension and additional facets. The map detail was on enhanced into higher definition detail. Vision is enhanced compared to before. And for sure, many times there can be outright false mapping that doesn't represent reality. We need to be more careful and desiring to root the false areas out, than to enhance the detail in other areas. Avoiding disaster is better. Personal experience still reflects "reality", but maybe we hallucinated and it didn't happen in external reality, but only our internal reality hehe ;) Still the senses are all we have, those are the instruments we must trust. They are the portal to truth. If we were blind, deaf, couldn't taste, feel, or smell, then we would be dead in short time. Senses although limited compared to other tech, are the tools that were designed for our use, and we have them to make good use of in order to discern objective reality of the territory in existence. You seem to think you can't know anything with certainty to base your actions upon, so it's all "internal approximation of reality"? The overly "left"-brain type of hyper-skepticism and doubt can lead to a subjectivist and solipsistic type of thinking. I know, I was there in the past. I'm just mentioning this, as I'm getting this mindset from you at times. It can also happen with "right"-brain imbalanced mindsets as well. But, if you mean it's an approximation like the %5 now, and it's not "100%" of all knowledge or truth about something in reality... ok. You don't need to, nor can likely have, 100% absolute knowledge of everything about something. We learn all the way through life ideally. That doesn't mean that as we go, we don't achieve levels of comprehension, certain percentage points of understanding something, that is accurate and won't need to be revised, ever. There are some things that are certain for us to base our actions upon, and not approximate. That's my objection to some points in what you said. I like how you think for the most part, except for what I consider some misunderstanding of what objective is. I've done lots of thinking and infographics and audios and text on this type of stuff. I mostly stick to the realm of consciousness and more general things in reality, as you may notice I don't do specific political things or events much. This is because these truths about ourselves, behavior, thinking, and some things about reality in general, can all be verified and demonstrable on our own, by each person. It applies to all our lives and we can all see it if we want to learn and verify it. Psychological and philosophical understanding is the foundation to start from that we can each very on our own. Then the trust we can put in others competency also grows as each person becomes a better thinker. Anyways, I respect you, your psyche-mind, and I rarely take the time to respond in depth as I have been. It takes a lot of time to explain things hehe. Like this aspect of confusion regarding objective and subjective is a big rabbit hole. I understand it, but explaining it takes so much time. I have pieces of work that interconnect that relate to understanding the intricacies. If you have more issues about this, I'll try to make posts next time. Doing things one-on-one takes up a lot of time with fewer people befitting from it :P I like to do one-to-many information presentation.
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First of all, thank you for taking the time to write such an in-depth answer! I appreciate it! > Unverified knowledge is belief. I think we use belief differently. For me anything that we believe is a belief, so I use the word more broadly. For me, when I say that I believe the Earth is round, it's still a belief, it's just a very well-substantiated one. But I can use idea instead and of belief and my view gels pretty well with the model you are presenting. Describing knowledge as a system of well-substantiated ~~beliefs~~ ideas does make sense to me, that's a very good and practical model for it. I think I'll "keep" it ;) > I don't adhere to your definition of objective. That is very surprising to me :P I'm left with the impression that we actually use the word quite similarly, so even after reading your older post on the topic and subjectivity and objectivity, I'm having a hard time seeing a real difference or anything to really object to in your usage. We might have a bit different ideas for some of the implications, but a true definitional difference alludes me. > Actions are real. They are objective. What they do is objective. The harm they create is objective. This part I agree with 100%. > Subjective morality is fake false understanding of how morality works as a representation and reflection of our behavior. This is where our positions start to diverge. I don't think morality can be viewed as intrinsically objective much like ethically right and wrong are in my opinion not intrinsically objective. Let me illustrate that with an example. I personally believe that eating animals is morally wrong while others disagree for a variety of reasons some of which would be internally consistent and even reasonable. If morality was truly objective, we should have an objective way of determining what is right or wrong in the situation. I think morality is something that is based on some standards and values. It generally revolves around not causing harm to others, a concept that I've seen formulated as well-being, which I think is a nice way to put it. But there are different standards that are possible. Somebody that sees eating animals as a morally acceptable act, has the well-being of humans as the standard, while I prefer to expand it to all conscious beings. A more radical difference in moral standards would be people that would say that moral is what their religion defines as moral. So the standards by which we judge what is right and wrong and not really set in stone and are subject to subjective evaluation and judgment based on personal values and views about the world. Having said that, I wouldn't go as far as to say that objective morality is not impossible. After we have agreed on the standards for morality, we could indeed apply the standards in an objective way and we can start determining if an act is moral or immoral according to the standards that we have put forward. This is very much what happens with definitions too. Deciding on a definition is a subjective act. As words are not magic, we supposedly somehow come to an agreement on a particular definition for a particular word. Defining it has some intrinsic subjectivity, but after we have defined it in whatever way we have, we then can supposedly have an objective standard of what falls in and out of that defined category. So I'd say we can indeed have somewhat objective morality, but only after we have agreed on the standards. > Indeed, we must always be ready to revise something if better reflections with reality emerge Well, that's why I'm reluctant to talk about something that is true with absolute certainty as there is always a chance for a hidden factor or a delusion to be the culprit of our supposed understanding. It's in a way accepting solipsism. But that's my "theoretical" approach to this if you will. While absolute certainty about anything might be something that I would be reluctant to postulate theoretically, I would say that in practice, we can indeed demonstrate things beyond any reasonable doubt and we can view them as facts. It's like saying that 100% perfection is impossible, but that 99.999% is enough for all practical purposes. The last bit of doubt is reserved for taking into account the ever present possibility of what you mentioned here. > Still the senses are all we have, those are the instruments we must trust. Yep, a crucial point indeed. The problem with solipsism is that it doesn't offer anything to replace our senses while reality (real, imagined, hallucinated, or simulated) forces us to act and react to it. And we are much better off, basing the reasoning for our actions in it. > But, if you mean it's an approximation like the %5 now, and it's not "100%" of all knowledge or truth about something in reality... ok. You don't need to, nor can likely have, 100% absolute knowledge of everything about something. Yes, this is more or less what I mean. > Anyways, I respect you, your psyche-mind, and I rarely take the time to respond in depth as I have been. Yes, I appreciate that a lot! It's been a very interesting conversation for me and I'd like to assure you that all the time you've put into those replies has not been wasted as you've indeed nudged me to think about some aspects of my positions that I hadn't really considered before and that has been inspiring. > If you have more issues about this, I'll try to make posts next time. Doing things one-on-one takes up a lot of time with fewer people befitting from it :P I like to do one-to-many information presentation. That would be great. I agree presenting complex ideas in the comments is not the most efficient way to go and actually in a way ignores part of your audience here. If you end up making a post at least in part inspired by a conversation we have had, that would be an honor :)
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Yeah you can have all the knowledge in the world but without action it's practically useless.
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This takes me to the scriptures, when the Apostle James says; 22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. This means knowledge without action is dead.
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