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The Failure of Torture: It Doesn't Work by krnel

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The Failure of Torture: It Doesn't Work
Torture is claimed to be an effective method to obtain information or confessions from people who don't want to tell the truth. There is ever a debate as to what defines torture. It's already prohibited under international law, and even some countries have laws against it. Yet, torture is still used, even by the so-called "land of the free".

Torture is a failure overall, yet many still advocate it's effectiveness.

<center><img src="http://i.imgur.com/oxtWlp1.jpg" /><br/><em><sub><a href="http://www.infiniteunknown.net/tag/torture/">Source</a></sub></em></center>

The UN sees torture as a serious violation of human rights enough to condemn it, but not deem it illegal. In the U.S., the fear of "terrorism" has many people blindly defend the methodology to extract information from people who are seen as a possible threat. Some are innocent, but that doesn't matter.

<center><img src="http://i.imgur.com/RSyC6zD.png" /><br/><em><sub><a href="http://www.memes.com/img/1149048">Source</a></sub></em></center>

In many television shows like *Homeland* or *24*, the message is that torture is sometimes necessary. The justification is that if physical or psychological harm can extract secrets to save lives, then it's worth it. The ends apparently justifies the means. In this fiction, the terrorist is always the terrorist, and he always gives up the info, so the audience justifies it. But not everyone is 100% right like the fantasy of Jack Bauer is. Innocent people get caught up in false claims and get tortured.

Shane O’Mara has long been an outspoken critic against torture. His book "*Why Torture Doesn't Work - The NeuroScience of Integration*" deals another blow to the intelligence networks that use these "enhanced interrogation" tactics to get information. Torture doesn't work the way torturers assume it does, even for the "lighter" 'white torture' methods (assaults on our core psychological, neural, and physiological functioning).

<center><img src="http://i.imgur.com/V5nAFKw.jpg" /><br/><em><sub><a href="http://fpif.org/finally-science-beginning-to-prove-torture-doesnt-work/">Source</a></sub></em></center>

Some of the torture methods used by the CIA and other agencies are:

- oxygen deprivation through near-drowning and suffocation
- shackling and stress positions
- extended sleep deprivation
- freezing, cooling, and starving the body and brain
- overloading the senses with loud noise and bright lights
- drip-feed assaults on personal dignity through facial slaps and holds, enforced nakedness, and the imposition of adult diapers
- the slow destruction personhood through social isolation, social deprivation, and a deliberate program of deindividualisation
- confinement in cramped boxes; predator threat using guns, drills, and attack dogs
- pretended assaults on the loved ones of the captive

<center><img src="http://i.imgur.com/dZXNVMV.jpg" /><br/><em><sub><a href="https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527501-400-beyond-torture-the-future-of-interrogation/">Source</a></sub></em></center>

The way the brain reacts to fear, extreme temperatures, starvation, thirst, sleep deprivation, waterboarding, stress positions, and freezing water create stressors and problems for memory, mood and thinking. Those who are put through these conditions will **produce unreliable information** which is *counterproductive* to intelligence purposes. If you want information you can depend on to save lives, then torture is not the method to obtain it.

<center><img src="http://i.imgur.com/txKgtM1.jpg" /><br/><em><sub><a href="https://prof77.wordpress.com/tag/waterboarding/">Source</a></sub></em></center>

Even Napolean recognized the failure of torture: *"It has always been recognized that this way of interrogating men, by putting them to torture, produces nothing worthwhile."* It seems the history of nurture has already demonstrated it's failure.

Torture doesn't make people want to cooperate through reasoning with them. Instead it creates panic, dissociation, unconsciousness and long-term neurological damage. The *stressors* applied will **attack the fabric of the brain** with the *loss in brain tissue* with respect to *memory*.

The effects of torture create the same symptoms as *post-traumatic stress disorder* and other related conditions. Chronic and extreme stress will affect brain regions that deal with intention and general behavioral control. Studies on combat soldiers, patient groups and the normal population show that **stressors compromise memory, mood and cognitive function.**

O'Mara recounts the story of a 60-year-old torture survivor in Cambodia, reported by an intellgence officer:

> "He told his interrogators everything they wanted to know, including the truth. In torture, he confessed to being everything from a hermaphrodite, and a CIA spy to a Catholic bishop and the King of Cambodia’s son. He was actually just a school teacher whose crime was that he once spoke French."

<center><img src="http://i.imgur.com/ohXKQZ1.jpg" /><br/><em><sub><a href="https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22830471-200-torture-doesnt-work-says-science-why-are-we-still-doing-it/">Source</a></sub></em></center>

Interrogators will shift towards more *extreme torture* as they believe a suspect is *withholding information* or *lying* about what they are saying. Evidence shows that people who are trained as **interrogators become more likely to believe others are lying to them**. This makes them *less* capable of *detecting* a lie compared to the rest of us.

O'Mara states that torture is *"ineffective, pointless, morally appalling, and unpredictable in its outcomes".*

> "Torture as an interrogational theory and practice is a complete and utter failure."

The severe *stress* from physical and psychological torment will *impair recall* and promote the use of information the torturer is asking about, into their answers. **Torture assaults the core of who we are**. The integration of our social, psychological and neural functionality gets twisted and broken and people will do anything, and say anything, just to get the torturer to stop. The negative psychological effects do not only apply to the tortured, but also the torturer who is greatly affected by what they have done.

In addition to Napoleon recognizing torture's failure, torture has proven to be a failure long before that time. In the European witch hunting madness. So-called "witches" were being tortured based on being implicated by other witches. The Duke of Brunswick in Germany demonstrated to the Jesuits how anyone will confirm what the interrogator wants to simply to not be tortured.

<center><img src="https://i.imgur.com/PrQJ803.jpg" /><br/><em><sub><a href="https://list25.com/25-most-brutal-torture-techniques-ever-devised/">Source</a></sub></em></center>

> "Now, woman, you are a confessed witch. I suspect these two men of being warlocks. What do you say? Another turn of the rack, executioners."

Then the woman said:

> "No, no! You are quite right. I have often seen them at the Sabbat. They can turn themselves into goats, wolves and other animals.... Several witches have had children by them. One woman even had eight children whom these men fathered. The children had heads like toads and legs like spiders."

The duke then asked the Jesuits:

> "Shall I put you to the torture until you confess/"

One of the Jesuits was Friedrich Spee who wrote a book demonstrating why torture as a tool to obtain useful information doesn't work. This book helped to bring an end to the witch trials. This understanding led to the banning of torture in all Western countries.

The message about torture is clear. Whether an enemy is real or unreal, torture doesn't work. If you were innocent, wouldn't you just say anything to get this to stop?

<center><img src="https://i.imgur.com/Wk8uOAV.jpg" /><br/><em><sub><a href="https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-types-of-medieval-torture/litgoddess">Source</a></sub></em></center>

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References:
- [Why Torture Doesn’t Work The Neuroscience of Interrogation](http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674743908)
- [The neuroscience of interrogation: Why torture doesn’t work](https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22830471-200-torture-doesnt-work-says-science-why-are-we-still-doing-it/)
- [Why Torture Doesn't Work](https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-interrogated-brain/201603/why-torture-doesnt-work)
- [Torture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture)
- [Beyond torture: The future of interrogation](https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527501-400-beyond-torture-the-future-of-interrogation/)
- [Finally, Science Beginning to Prove Torture Doesn’t Work](http://fpif.org/finally-science-beginning-to-prove-torture-doesnt-work/)
- [We’ve Known for 400 Years That Torture Doesn’t Work](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-rsquo-ve-known-for-400-years-that-torture-doesn-rsquo-t-work/)
- [The Science is Clear, Torture Doesn’t Work](http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2017/01/27/torture-science-efficacy/#.WxmLW3YpCHs)

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@aaronsuncamacho ·
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Being held in a jail without bail on pending charges and being threatened with additional charges and additional arrests of friends and family forces guilty pleas out of the majority of people arrested for federal drug charges in the US. People will plead guilty to avoid the additional pain of continued time in country jails (which are worse then prisons) and additional length to their prison sentences.

The inTERRORgators love to ask questions like "we know you know that X did Y with Z, DIDN'T THEY?" off the record, then get a formal "voluntary" written confession on the record. Mandatory minimum sentencing is used for this purpose with the only way to avoid 10-30yrs being full cooperation in the prosecution of others as directed by the agents...

Many people who go through this plead guilty to things they didn't do and then rationalize to themselves "well, I did do all those other things I want caught doing, so I guess I deserve it"... Due process be dammed.

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@aaronsuncamacho ·
The Inquisition never ended, it was just rebranded and made less gruesome for public acceptance.

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@krnel ·
>inTERRORgators 

Good one ;) You did a good job explaining how people cop for lesser punishment by taking plea deals and admitting guilt. Even if one is innocent, trying to fight a false charge can result in longer prison/punishment :/
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@artisticscreech ·
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The resurgence of the acceptance of torture is our culture is extremely troubling but I think it goes beyond the belief in its efficacy. I think it appeals to a certain type of person that is far more common than we would like to think. Too many seem to think that the authority is always correct and just so when the see that someone is tortured by the authority, they view it as "just punishment" and that should scare the hell out of us. If they will accept this, what other "punishments" will they stand by and allow and what "crimes" will warrant them.
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@krnel ·
Yeah, sadistic people who like to inflict pain don't care about the info :/ Those in power like to punish people too, so they can torture as punishment for not obeying too :/
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@big.ock ·
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This goes both ways. Generally people will lie to make the torture stop; however, in some cases it could yield results. If your asking where a certain person is, the torture victim may make up a story if they don't know. If they do know, they may give up the location. It's hit or miss. Intelligence has to follow the leads to figure out if the information is valid. It could be bad intelligence or good intelligence. You never really know until conducting further investigation.
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@krnel ·
Yes, it can work, but it's not fool proof and is unreliable. Would you advocate for torture if you became a victim of it and were falsely accused?
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@big.ock ·
No. Its not foolproof. I'm not advocating it either. It is bad, but should we just set the people free who are beheading our people. Have you ever seen anyone beheaded? I have. I have also been a victim of torture. I am thankful to be alive but I still do not disagree with it.
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No disrespect. We are all entitled to our opinion. That is what makes this country great. I was an aviation aircrew survival equipmentman. That's short for parachute rigger. Lol.
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@builderofcastles ·
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Torture works, and the UN supports it.
Of course they don't mean extracting information.
They mean, getting their jollies, and creating more pain and suffering in the world.

A psychopath, a person who wants control more than anything, loves torture.  The psychopath has no empathy, so they feel nothing for the tortured.

And the UN supports it.
It is why i call the UN one of the most evil organizations on the planet.
Sure, they say there are human rights.  But, you look a little deeper and you find that they can be revoked at any time.  One person or a group.
And if you know what human means... Hue Man, the color of man, like the color of law.  Not really a man.
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@krnel ·
LOL, yeah, sadistic enjoyment of dominating other's free will.
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@enjoywithtroy ·
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Torture offers more negative repercussions than benefits.   You may receive information from the person, but is that info right?   Most folks will tell you anything you want to know just to not be tortured. It may not be the right or complete info.   Think of the resentments and anger they may have if they are let free following.  There must be better alternatives.   Thanks @krnel
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@krnel ·
I think psychological manipulation, or truth serum is better maybe ;)
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@jaryat ·
Instead of the torture method, the police changed the interrogation technique with the basic psychological techniques such as the "good and bad cop" method, one detective pressed and pretended to go to the suspect being interrogated while the other pretended not to see. People tend to believe and talk to people they believe to be protective. The other basic technique is maximization, that is, the police are frightening the suspect about the terrifying things the suspect will experience if he is proven to commit the crime. Fear tends to make people talk.

For now, the police have tried several things such as polygraphs to determine whether the suspect is honest or not, but polygraph and polygraph training are very expensive, and the results are almost always not recognized in court.
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@krnel ·
Yup, fear of getting a worse punishment, taking the less punishment hehe. And believing someone who is acting nice works too. The prisoner's dilemma shows how easily people can turn on each other in order to get less punishment ;)
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@melbourneswest ·
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It is a shit tactic, put someone under enough pressure and inflict enough pain and they will omit to anything. It has never worked throughout history and it should not be used in modern times. 

Torture is outdated and unacceptable in today's modern world.
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@krnel ·
Yeah, it's proven long ago to be flawed...
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@mepatriot · (edited)
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YES!  Yes!  yes!  I could not agree more.  I seriously can't believe any real American would condone torture under any circumstance short of an imminent nuclear blast and we know we got the guy who can stop it downstairs.  In that one situation, even the tiny %age chance it will actually work is worth it to try to prevent millions of deaths.  But that's it.

IMHO, part of the "plus" of the 911 inside job for the intelligence communities was that they were able to normalize torture, something the sickos at the CIA have wanted for decades but couldn't justify to the American people.  Win, win for the police/surveillance state.

BUT NO MORE.  We must shut them down and start over.
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@krnel ·
Yeah, traumatize people, and you got a good win for justifying torture to prevent more trauma...
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@mightypanda ·
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You can't trust information or confession which came out of torture. Sometime people will say anything it make the pain stop.
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@krnel ·
Yup, I think most of us would.
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@paulkjustme ·
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I think it all depends on what questions you ask. If you want to make someone say something then yes it is very unreliable but if you want them to give up lets say hiding spots of terrorists or similar and you get good information then it does work doesnt it ? All depends on the situation.
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@krnel ·
What if they just give you any position just to make it stop? Sure, if they know, they will eventually give the right one if you know it's a false location or check it out. It can work, but it's not reliable.
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@preparedwombat ·
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*Enhanced Interrogation* that apologists like to use as a euphemism is the exact same term that the Gestapo used. Coincidence?
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@krnel ·
Welcome to the 4th Reich :/
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@skytoin ·
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majority of people would incriminate themselves in anything just to stop the torture, it's too obvious, but not for CIA I guess. There is a girl, who has some genetic difference that makes her feel no pain at all, how would you torture person like this girl. The use our survival instinct just to make people incriminate themselves in any crime.
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@krnel ·
Then she could lie and pretend she was being harmed, and make up anything too ;)
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@xyz7 ·
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how rude they are!
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