To recognize an immoral violent act and trying to stop it, requires trying to stop the violator, and you will be faced with denial and often violent opposition from the violator. Things can get risky. The violator will often not see themselves as doing something immoral, and may use violence through a claim of "self-defense" on you whom they see as violating their "right" to do what they want. They will not want to be restricted from their deluded "free will" to cause harm and violence that they do not recognize as harm or violence, and will view your use of force through standing for truth, justice and morality as not being about truth, justice or morality, and will instead view you as the "violent" "violator" for trying to use "violence" against them who did nothing "wrong" in their cognitively biased non-objective self-view (ego-personality-identity attachment). They do not have the inner vision, perception, awareness and understanding to recognize the objective morality you live by, and you are the one who can't "see", you are the "unaware" one to them, you are the "non-understanding" one to them, and you are the "immoral" one to them. You are the "wrong" one, you are the one who "believes" in lies, you are the one who is "mind controlled", you are the one using "violence", and as such, they will view their own actions to stop your moral forceful actions from stopping their immoral violent actions as mere "self-defense" to stand up for their "rights". Self-deluded "self-defense" justifications will result in violence against those who do stand for truth, justice and what is morally right. A failure to know the objective difference between right and wrong prevents seeing our behavior as right or wrong. The inability to honestly look in the mirror is amplified when we fail to let go of our attachment to ourselves, as we are blinded from seeing ourselves honestly due to not wanting to look at ourselves objectively. Holding onto the self-perception that we are only doing "good" or "right" things and not doing anything wrong prevents us from recognizing the wrong we do.  This is the problem of lower consciousness, uncritical, non-thinking, non-reflecting, tacit acceptance of our behavior and what we do in our lives to be blind to ourselves. This leads to a failure to develop the 6th sense of deeper higher quality inner-vision to self-analyze, introspect, contemplate, self-reflect and self-examine our behavior objectively, whole-sale across the board. We don't objectively detach from self-attachment and see what the self is doing to others in the moral/immoral dimension of living. Standing for truth, justice and morality through physical force is dangerous when done alone as an individual, but often it's needed to take that risk. Most people will prefer to not even speak up, and speaking up leading to physical actions of righteousness, truth and justice are even more dangerous. We often expect someone else (like centralized authority) to do something because we beg them to do so on our behalf. Influencing violence to stop by speaking against it is one avenue, but that only goes so far in many cases, especially since people cognitively (thought) and affectionately (emotion) engage in cognitive biases and cognitive dissonance to refuse to recognize what their objective behavior is doing. When numbers are reached, the force/power of influential rhetoric is replaced with the force/power of physical action to get people to stop doing the wrongs they refuse to admit to. This can be done in an anarchistic decentralized "organic" way of people in a community aligned with the right, good and true way to put pressure, friction, tension, interference, conflict and force to stop others. But for most of history the force has been applied through centralized authority of governments, and giving them that power at one time often leads to violence against innocents at other times. When we fail to execute self-control and self-governance in alignment with what is right and stop what is wrong, begging government authority to impose external control is what happens. This is what happened with slavery. The force/power of speaking can be done individually at any time, but the force/power of physical action often requires much time to develop through the quanta/numbers required. Physical violence can be stopped with physical force. Often, that is required as the force/power of speech isn't enough friction, tension, interference of conflict to get some to stop their immoral ways. But speaking truth into existence to create change is the preferred method. Hopefully it's enough to get people to stop and think, and to stop doing what they do because they are willing to listen and see their behavior honestly. Imagine if abolishonism (anti-slavery) would have not been spoken of, or if physical measures to stop slavers would not have been enacted. We may still have had, or at least prolonged for a long time, overt outright slavery in North America as a result of those who want to ignore their violent behavior, their violence, because they are benefiting from it, and don't want to face the reality of their immoral actions. We can defend others physically when we have the numbers to stand against the violators. 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i agree with u the force power of physical action often requires much time but there is people have this power without any practice but it built in with their born
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excellent article, I love ... But I wish we should not talk about violence, it's time for everything to change, we need peace, we need a better world.
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and how we can achieve that?
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Using force against violence is not violence.
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adding to this useful post, there are many kinds of violence as well , but physical violence is worst type.
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Many people don't accept their own wrong doing, and it's hard for them to acknowledge that they are violators. It's a flaw in human nature to being unable to admit fault, because it would prove that we are flawed. I personally don't care if I'm met with violent reactions, I will keep speaking up for what I believe is right!
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Rightly pointed out. if it would have been possible that violators would have a feeling to admit ones mistake, half of violence would already be killed but a big IF to feelings lol
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Rejecting reality in favor of self-deluded self-appraisal is a default modality, but anyone can rise above that default blindness to choose to face themselves in the mirror honestly.
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"Violent Violence" because there could be a thing called "Non-Violent Violence". Violence is use of physical force to damage or hurt. Violent is adjective to describe in one of it's more neutral definition: intense. Something could be not so intense, physical and hurtful. I know what that could be: words. For example; sarcasm or **truth**. People are scared to use these tools of negative feedback. Negative feedback is very corrective. people!
author | figuringoutsrn |
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Thanks for catching that, it gives the wrong meaning. It was redundant and creates confusion where an implication is that there is non violent violence. Oops... lol. Aggressive use of force against another who did no harm, is a violation, and violence. Force to stop an aggression or violence is not violence ;) Thanks for the feedback.
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usually the rapist never sees things as immoral, to do so would never be a rapist, in terms of physical violence, I think we should not try to fight with physical violence, remember that physical violence brings more violence, said that when one is physically attacked you have to turn the other cheek, I say that you have to stop the violent without physical violence. Regarding slavery, if the process had been without violence I think we would have preserved many lives, it seems to me that it goes through the lack of justice and that the rulers are never one step ahead to resolve these issues, laws are always made once things have happened . excellent matial that rido friend @krnel, many grace spor share I wish you a great day
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Force used to stop violent aggression is not violence, it's force, power, energy exerted to stop the aggression.
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This also relates to using diplomatic channels first ie by talking than engaging in war. To stop the violator with violence is not good initially unless the violator dont understand or accept speech, upped.
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Yeah, talking is much better to get people to stop... or else the force vs. violence outcome is not pretty...
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Well said. Ignorance is worse than hatred.
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We need more people to be BRAVE like you and speak out.
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@krnel no one is perfect. But everyone thinks they are the best...and this attitude in life makes people to think that all other are wrong and they are the only right. Instead of pinpointing negativity on other better take the positive out of it...so that same thing not happen to yourself., make other realize there mistake rather than making a violent act ..against them.
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Yes, that's the point, to show the error, incorrectness, wrong, before trying to use physical force-power-energy to stop violence aggression. But sometimes, we have to act and get physical, or it doesn't stop on it's own magically...
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Getting physical at without any reason is wrong. If a person is egoistic and have attitude they temd to behave like god, with supreme power, they first need to understand that all times are not same... If they crossed certaim limits getting physical with these people is good to go...aggresion does not comen in automatically....
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Many people think/say using force to stop an attacker is wrong, until they are a victim then they wished that someone would have done something, intervened, or at least said something.
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Hehe, damn straight!
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