@patelincho has well spoken to your bundle of questions, @krnel. Don't call it a community where a pot of STEEM stands in the middle and the best entertainers and networkers will get one or two ladles out of it. This is a normal situation of existential competition and all your questions are not related to such a society. This real community you are thinking about has people equal in spirit. We are just equal in mining STEEM. This is a totally different scene as you targeted your questions for.

Thanks for sharing.
@krnel

https://steemit.com/community/@baah/exposing-troll-and-liars
doing my part, single-handedly for a while now too, obviously some help or support would be nice but as steemit is new and there are a lot afraid of getting targeted I don't hold my breath for that support, but I do know as the community grows it will come to a point that the pressure I am putting on liars, fakes and trolls will come to a head.

Depends on how much you emotionally invest I guess. I think lots of folks here feel strongly about the community because Steemit enriched their lives, one way or the other.

What I see is that there is a growth in conservatism in society, and we have to take this shadow away from the emerging  "blockchained" communities because it should and was created as a refuge from fear and centralized power.
In the blockchain, we have to take away the Fear that is the actual foundation of conservative authoritarian power to generate insecurity and instability as a justification to reinforce their power and creating "false escape goats" for the actual state of problems, that they created in the beginning and pretend now to be the saviors.
Fascism destroys  people or groups as a form of unifying their followers that give an unrestrained and autocratic use for their self-centered authority, and kill all the messengers that do not bring their news."
This a have started a long time ago and it is growing and made me remember a quote from the band **Bourbonese Qualk** in a concert in Lisbon in 1987.
**"We can see the future as a global suburban, what is already happening.The seeds of new conservatism were sowed and they are producing a mentality of suburban.Mass acceptance and conformity became a norm now more than ever."**

Anytime I see this (very worthy and important!) debate, I always want to go back to the start... which, for me, is whether humans are inherently selfish, or cooperative.

Of course, that question is further clouded and complicated by looking at "the state of a society." The closer the majority feels like they are to the abyss of nothingness and dereliction, the greater (most likely) their inclination to worry about individual self-preservation (selfish) than communal well-being. And this varies by society and community.

For example, somewhere in these comments, @lasseehlers comments on the "market" balancing itself... and I have to remind myself that his lens of perception (to some degree like my own) is shaped by being from Scandinavia, where "common good" is a more widely accepted social value/norm than in the USA, where I now live... and where "individual rights" are valued more highly than more collectivist approach.

Timely that you wrote this... I have been working on a piece examining human greed as a mental illness rather than a "sin." I bring up here because of the need (I feel) to bring the greed factor into community building. This doesn't just apply to the microcosm known as Steemit *(although we do have the opportunity to create a new model for "community," should we choose to),* but the world in general. How do we create a better model for community when we have a starting point that involves great inequality? We may have whales and minnow, but we also have a world where CEO's give themselves $50M annual stock bonuses while employing 10,000 people who need to seek public assistance just so they can feed their kids. Outside of the "greed factor," does that $50M make *one whit* of difference in the CEO's overall happiness? Nope... but spread out among 10,000 getting an additional $5,000 a year, a whole lot of benefit could be derived. 

So yes, part of strong and *just* community building involves standing up and pointing to things being wrong or out-of-balance, even if we're not the direct beneficiaries of a change. But it all becomes very complicated because the intersection of "ideology" and "functional reality* tends to involve some treacherous waters...

Resteemed.   I agree.

I am also fine with @riskdebonair's reply, but I do think there is a fine line between leaders and rulers.   They are used interchangeable in some cases but a RULER is someone who can force their will upon others.   This is not necessarily true of a leader.   Leaders can occur naturally.   We choose who is going to lead in most endeavors.   If I am fixing a car with some friends then the friend with the most experience in fixing cars is likely going to lead, and it will likely happen without us saying "*You're the leader*".    Then when we go inside to make dinner someone else will likely naturally become the "leader".

I prefer the term "Lead by example".    A leader should be voluntary.   A ruler is involuntary.

Good ideas do not require force.


I do think you are right though and people need to stop cowering if they think something is wrong and think "*someone else will deal with it, I'm not going to make myself a target*".    People become a target only when they are left alone standing against the would be "rulers".    It is difficult to target anyone when a lot of people stand together.

Sure there are exceptions... if you are a government you can try to nuke them if they are concentrated.    Yet in these days Come together does not mean we are clustered and easy targets.    It simply means we are working towards a common cause.

I always say everything has to be judged on its own merits. In a perfect world everyone would basically start out treating everyone else with respect regardless of simple disagreements. It's when someone starts acting the fool that they should start gettting treated accordingly.

If everyone act rightly, then no one is mistreated. The free market has the best solution for any problem.

The market will find the best solution to every problem, also wrong doing in a community.

Perpetrators aren't going to up-voted and rewarded. Eventually they'll leave, right? As @lasseehlers  stated, the free market should take care of it.

If that doesn't happen, then the community as a whole would need to decide on what needs to be changed to prevent behavior contrary to the good of the community.

Community ? What you speak about .......... is not a community , here is the land of the bots and ignorance :) 
Happy steeming !

I think there are more people standing up for what is right. We see more whistle blowers and even voters are taking a look at the people they are voting for and not just the party. It's hard to stand up for what is right when you stand alone. Sometime you lose family, friends, jobs, money, home and more. I don't know if one is born to protect and do what is right but I know as a child I suffered for it. Even from all the suffering I know it's made me stronger. I have, even, gained a family member back after many years. By the grace....? I don't know where this courage comes from but I know it's not me. I feel like such a coward most of the time but when the battle cry calls to fight for someone in pain/abuse I feel something  within quicken. I am happy to say more people are getting this spark for justice. Miracles happen when people do the right thing. Treasures in hell.
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Steemit represents my hopes for the future in terms of free thought, discourse, and independent artists and media producers. The Internet's in a bad way right now and we need places like this. Stay cool, @krnel!