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What's Steem Doing? What Are We Doing? Something Meaningful for Society, or Just Getting and Moving Money Around? by krnel

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· @krnel · (edited)
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What's Steem Doing? What Are We Doing? Something Meaningful for Society, or Just Getting and Moving Money Around?
What is Steem doing? What are we doing with Steem? Are we achieving something meaningful for society? Are we using Steem to make the world better? Or are we just trying to move money around and get some of that money ourselves?

Vitalik Buterin, founder of Ethereum, tweeted about this focus on the blockchin and cryptocurrency community:

<center><img src="https://steemitimages.com/640x0/https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmZk3zo4WJYt2D3n6UQESd2WhjaeES52M29Qn53A85vRUa/image.png" /><br/><em><sub><a href="https://twitter.com/vitalikbuterin/status/945987507941978112?lang=en">Source</a></sub></em></center>

*I found this image from a [post](https://steemit.com/steemit/@vieira/is-steemit-sick
) by @vieira.*

It's an important purpose to think about. I've stated my goal to come to Steem, was to try to use it to change the world for the better. That's why I have mostly posted on matters that can help to change our conditions. Much of that is bringing awareness to the problems in order to possibly and potentially change the situation afterwards.

Some people don't appreciate that work and the content put out. Some people have disliked/hated me for being successful on Steem by doing it originally in 2016/2017, and flagged me to bring me down.

We need to ask ourselves what Vitalik is mentioning: what are we actually doing? Are we just trying to get and move money around? Or are we actually doing something that can achieve something meaningful for society, or make society better?

All the bidbots just help people make more money by doing nothing other than selling their votes while others pay them for it. It caters to the greedy mindsets of just trying to make money. It's not about advertising, because in advertising you don't get paid back for paying someone to advertise for you.

Buying and selling votes has made the original platform a joke, where many people no longer vote to reward content they like, or receive votes and rewards because others like their content. The social-content valuation system has been fractured, and it makes Steem look like a joke from the outside.

Greed has usurped the platform, where making money becomes the motivating purpose. A purpose of trying to achieve something meaningful for society, or make it better, is perverted by the former motivation from greed which corrupts this platform.

We have more exploitation now. Before bidbots, things weren't perfect, but they were better, because more of the Steem Power was being given to content on some basis of merit, rather than simply being bought with no valuation of the content itself.

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@andrewmarkmusic · (edited)
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IMO...Steemit and Minds are the West's first attempt at a Social Credit system. I'm aware of what I'm suggesting here and if I'm right one will be hard pressed to find more duplicitous platforms.
I'll argue my case and concede I may be wrong. The Chinese attempt at Social Credit is a digital tracking of everything you do.  Steemit's tracking system is extensive and so is Minds...
 S.C. is there to herd people into behavior our overlords find acceptable. The trending page on Steemit is filled with mindless banality which suits our overlord agenda--basically, anything that promotes consumption and competition. 
Intense flagging and shaming of those who go against the wishes of overlord rule. Steemit flags those whose opinions go against the established ownership.
Making money and its ownership the sole arbiter of value and ethics. The controlling overlords in China rule via control of currency via the central banking cartels...it's a 'will to power' based solely on controlling 'money from nothing'...Steemit's primary ethic and source of value is by holding the most Steem (and creating it from nothing).
Now, the tragedy here, from my perspective, is that Steemit and Steem could really solve the coming unemployment epidemic which will come upon humanity this century. But to do so the means of earning would have to change. I suggest tracking time spent on the platform co-ordinated with any countries minimum wage laws. In B.C. if I spend 10 hours a day on steemit I would earn about 150.00. Content would be an added extra based on hierarchical talents--those who do great work should earn more. Those who shitpost only get the minimum wage. 
Again, within the whole crypto sphere Steemit is the only thing I've come across that actually does something that could solve humanities coming nightmare and it's a shame the owners have squanderedโ€‹ that potential.
That's likely because our overlordsโ€‹ are not what they seem and in reality don't give a shit about humanity and in fact,โ€‹ view us as their slaves...
A rare Resteem...
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@ecodesigns ·
This is awesome @andrewmarkmusic, if steem payouts are reorganized, Steem can solve the world's most pressing challenges of poverty and unemployment.  Thanks to steem, we are doing an amazing job for 13 young girls who didn't have anything to do.
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@andrewmarkmusic · (edited)
I saw the potential of Steemit immediately but because both hemispheres of my brain function rather well I also saw the Frankenstein inculcated within it. That is the blindness and banality of the venture anarcho-capitalists, who, as I've mentioned, didn't seem to see the duplicity of being the very same thing that they rage against... The Federal Reserve. A private moneymaking pyramid scheme which enriches the top of the pyramid. I have little tolerance for this blindness and duplicity (and usury).
What would need to happen to slay the Frankenstein within? A public bank would need to create a social media blockchain and use it as a means of financial distribution for a new non-debt currency. The blockchain itself would be a tool of education at its best with guild-like groupings. I see it as an integral part of a NEW EARTH COMMONS civilization with Four Pillars which need to be adhered to and in this sense, I'm arguing alongside the most important person on the planet right now: Dr. E. Michael Jones, although, as a Gnostic, I reject any move towards ecclesiastical theocracy within the New Earth Commons as the template for it has to be SECULARISM although a spiritual secularism to be sure. 
http://andrewmarkmusic.com/?p=673
And those blind narcissistic venture anarcho-capitalists? They can choose to live in the stripped-downโ€‹ commercial capitalist side of The New Earth Commons in a Star Trekkian commercial society dedicated to solving civilizations most intractable problems. However, we over in the Shire like commons will be having way more fun:D
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@krnel ·
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> Steemit and Minds are the West's first attempt at a Social Credit system

Creepy, but could be indeed ;)

Yes, the mindless crap that gets rewarded is an overflow that duplicates what already is in society. We're a replica of the world we're trying to get away from, at least for some of us. Those who buy votes don't seem to care to create something better, more virtuous and deserving of respect and admiration.

Dan, the inventor of the chain, has ideas on UBI. He left though, but he was a cool and smart guy who supported me a lot in my early days, and then the flags came because I got too popular writing about important subjects that others found "worthless" and would hurt the influx of the masses into the platform... because quality information that makes you think and learn is not valuable or helpful to bring people in... lol.
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@andrewmarkmusic ·
"influx of masses into the platform"...LOL.
Thanks for the chuckle:)
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@awesomianist ·
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I actually had plans to take my bitcoin out of the freezer and make myself a dolphin. But after some thought, I decided against it. Sure, the price of steem is gonna go up and I might one day regret this speculative decision.

But what would I be investing in Steem really? For a chance to make more out of my votes? For what? 

I can achieve greater things by holding on to my bitcoin. Hedging my value against an inflating fiat currency, opting to an alternative financial system uncontrolled by the ruling hegemony. Making sure that even if my government fucked over my pension, they can't fuck with my bitcoin. 

What does Steem offer?

I used to be super bullish of Steem. But I think the group think finally snapped out of me and what I stare is as you said.. A joke.

Steem is still the best blockchain powered social media out there with no top down censorship for sure. So I'll keep using it. 

And I don't care anymore if the decision-making witnesses don't care. I'm gonna bid bot the shit out of the best bid bits out there. Anyone is free to downvote me if they disagree with the payout. 

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@clumsysilverdad ·
as long has the best interactive model and enough peole are trying to do the right thing, i'll be here
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@awesomianist ·
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Me too. Not leaving the platform anytime. Also.. Tbh I'm starting to get tired of the group think in here if you are aware of such a thing.

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@ecodesigns ·
such words inspire @clumsysilverdad and @awesomianist. We are a small group of thoughtful and committed steemians
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@krnel ·
Same thing. I was like, yeah drop 8 BTC or something into SP. But I cant make myself do it... There is too much shady shit going on,, that may never get cleaned up. Long time users are just exploiting the shit out of one-image posts, or one sentence in voting circles... and nothing can be done about it other than flagging it which requires a lot of SP.

I used to be really into Steem until I was getting flagged non stop and nothing was being done about it.

Bitbots don't help the platform get better, it only makes it worse and joining in on that is just being part of the problem to join the exploiters and profit to extract as much before the system crashes.
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@awesomianist · (edited)
> join the exploiters and profit to extract as much before the system crashes.

Pains my heart to know its the matter of fact. But at this point I kinda give up. 

I really hope Steem goes all the way down to 2 cents or lower if it means a chance at redistribution of SP from the current whales to others.

Steem has been overvalued for too long and the people in here starting to get entitled about stuff. Just look at how you were flagged out of spite.

I'm just waiting and see what's been done at the level that truly matters - The Steem Github page. Will voice my support to whichever guy that does their bit to improve steem.

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@chrisaiki ·
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Examples of useful Steem account:
@treeplanter
@cleanplanet
@askanything
@solarcoach
@thegreens
@utopian-io
and many more I even did not hear about..
This is a lot for a young blogging platform. Of course we would like to go faster but ...
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@krnel ·
I've heard of a few of them ;) Thanks.
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@christianchannel ·
$0.03
ok...so what is the solution? Dan returning to Steemit even if he needs to buy the shares at a high price...he is rich....if Steem fails and investors that believed in the project lose a lot of money, future investors in EOS or any other project with Dan's signature will not trust him to invest...it's all connected....he needs to return to steem(even if he loses money) to fix it so that it becomes an effective way to reward and evaluate quality in arts and writting and so that this can grow exponentially and becomes the future of everything.
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@awesomianist ·
Eehhh.... Satoshi never came back and look where Bitcoin is..

That mindset of hoping someone else to do something is what stifles the growth of a decentralized project.

There are already people (though not enough of them) who have contributed tremendously to the improvement of Steem even if some them aren't witnesses. IMO we as community should pay more attention to them rather than praying for the absurd. Be it Ned or Dan. 

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@clumsysilverdad ·
come back Dan (-:
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@krnel ·
I don't think he will ever return. Although with him here it was definitely  better. I don't think he must return for EOS to succeed either.
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@trincowski ·
EOS is a trainwreck. I won't touch it unless it goes below $0.30

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@clumsysilverdad ·
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@awesomianist ·
The way I see it, there should be no fault against the selfie culture. The point of a decentralized social media platform is so that anyone can post literally anything they want and not get taken down. Sure, some people will post messed up shit like child snuff porn. But freedom of speech does not guarantee freedom from consequences.

BTW, no worries man.. This bear market is gonna flush out the fakers before the next bull again. Might happen next year, in 10 years, who knows. The last bear run was nearly 3 years long. 

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@ecodesigns ·
and that culture of change should begin with us educating the masses on the need practice the ubuntu philosophy
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@krnel ·
A sad condition of the state of consciousness in most people... we're just replicating the outside in here but with a different self-generated printing system that is easier to exploit.
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@cryptopie ·
$0.05
People are given the opportunity to choose but sometimes they choose greed over the good things for steem.
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@ecodesigns ·
Greed  is the source of the world's problems @cryptopie but for how long should the minority continue to let greed take over the world?
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@happyphoenix ·
That's right, greedy is the shortcut to be successful but in the future, greedy become the problem, yeah... Shortcut to the wrong way.

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@cryptothoughts · (edited)
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If you got rid of the bid bots steemit would die, about 2-5k users depend on them to either get noticed or to receive a return on the money they invested through delegation returns. Is that being "greedy" or is it a way to combat steem inflation?

I have used them in the past and my friend uses them daily, they are not a money making machine, most of the time in the last year you would have took a loss using them.

Without the bid bots you would cut the steem economy in half.? Is that a good idea?

I wasn't here before the bots, so I don't know what it was like previously, I heard it was a circle jerk fest?
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@krnel · (edited)
Yeah. Why doesn't Facebook or others not die when it's all human interaction? Seems most people are here just for the money, or money first and platform second. Buying votes is to make money. Would you use them if you got 0% back and all the rewards to upvote you went back to the pool? No, you wouldn't. Proof that's it's about rewards foremost.
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@cryptothoughts · (edited)
@krnell

This comments makes no sense whatsoever, people are here because they can get rewarded for their time, that's what's revolutionary about it, that's the whole idea!

Buying bid bot votes does not make you any money unless the price of steem is going up. Which it hasn't done all year!

I saw the buildawhale bot give out -63% ROI today! 

Most bots either don't cap losses or cap them at about 10-15% negative ROI. So tell me how to make money from that! you are not making money are you... but ... using the bots is actually helping the steemit economy!

Like me today, i bought some steem to promote my post. This puts an upwards pressure on the steem price.... the direct opposite of what "normal non bid bot users" of steemit actually do... withdraw steem from their earnings of "quality content"which creates a downward pressure on the price of steem.

We need the price of steem to go up, that i am sure you will agree.... everyone needs to get with the program and start pumping our hard earned cash into the bidbots / steemit economy ๐Ÿ˜‰
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@trincowski ·
> If you got rid of the bid bots steemit would die, about 2-5k users depend on them to either get noticed or to receive a return on the money they invested through delegation returns. Is that being "greedy" or is it a way to combat steem inflation?

Sad but true. I've tried for months to move forward without resorting to any voting service. I failed miserably. This was back in February / March, when this site was still being used by a lot more people than today ... but still, it felt like a ghost town to me.

<sup>**I'd like to ask you to participate in my [Art Curation Initiative #5](https://steemit.com/curation/@trincowski/art-curation-initiative-5-help-me-select-3-artists-to-reward-with-sbi-shares)**</sup>
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@cryptothoughts · (edited)
Hi, yes I've never understood why people bitch about the bid bots, I think it's because they are an easy target? 

Steem & Steemit have the potential to be revolutionary, they just need more adoption = create instant signups, better user retention = get rid of the law bots and increased user engagement = wait for the steem price to go up.


Quite simple really. ๐Ÿ˜

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@ecodesigns ·
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@krnel we are proud, inspired and happy that we are using steem to inspire and engage people to take action to make the world a better place. Its a reflective post and it's very important we ask ourselves this question and start to kick greed out of @steem. @adollaraday and @pennsif, @chrisaiki @martin-mikes @kedjom-keku are just some of the awesome and amazing steemians that are using steem to make a change.
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@krnel ·
Yup, some good efforts going on for sure ;) Way to go!
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@erikaflynn ·
$0.03
Yeah, human greed can ruin everything... and Steem is no exception.

Instead of change the curation rewards system and incentivise curators activity as a whole they created a vote buying scheme that works on a very few persons interest...

Bidbots must die for Steem to survive, IMO.
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@krnel ·
People who want money want bidbots to stay no matter what it does to Steem or how it makes Steem look to the outside.
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@felix.herrmann ·
$0.03
How Do you define meaningful? 

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@krnel ·
> *having a serious, important, or useful quality or purpose.*

A lot of what people put their time and attention towards, if frivolous and won't impact the betterment of their lives in the long term. Meaningful things are of a higher order of importance, yet not regarded as such because it's not as "fun" or "entertaining".
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@felix.herrmann ·
*Rule Nr. 7 - Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)*
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@frankbacon ·
$0.03
Highly rEsteemed!

![Bacon Radical.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmdqNBMqgNEEknCgwmQL8w66wwt4Ss3vcef3DAXk3LJh2c/Bacon%20Radical.png)
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@krnel ·
Good description ;)
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@freebornangel ·
Get used to it.
Until the community forks out the cancer, this is what we get.
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@awesomianist ·
I don't think a fork is a good thing. 

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@freebornangel ·
Would you rather let the bus to get driven off another cliff?
Steem was intentionally crippled, it will stay hobbled until somebody forks and returns us to nonlinear rewards.
Want to bet that no further development occurs?
Its clear stinc isnt going to fix the reward curve to slow down the spam and self voting.
At some point investors write us off as failed and stinc wins!
Id rather we fork before that day comes, if it isnt already here.
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@full-steem-ahead ·
I totally agree with Vatalik's sentiments and your comments @krnel. I've been saddened by the lack of response to this "I want my lambo now!" mentality by crypto veterans, and those that understand the reasons blockchain technology was invented in the first place.

There are still a few in the crypto space that continue to push for the original disruptive principles and are vocal about it, but they seem to be getting far less visible. Frankly I am quite disappointed as I watch the hope I had for a disruptive solution to institutionalized corruption be eroded by lambo hunters and those who clamor for regulation and mainstream adoption of crypto regardless of principles and original purposes.

I have elected to power down here and move my posts to the Whaleshares platform. Not sure how much longer I'll be on steemit.
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@geekpowered ·
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If I put a flamin turn on his front porch, does that count as meaningful?

Fuckin bullshit. What does most of society do that's "meaningful"? Shit all usually. Maybe a few small charities that collect less for the needy than most companies throw out in the bin.

We're on a experimental social network that's not even outta beta and doesn't even have communities set up. Yeah, it sucks currently, but some are trying to change that in some ways. Even with that bullshit with people gaming the system and producing shit content, we have actually helped quite a few people in needful situations.
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@ecodesigns ·
True @geekpowered, there is soo much junk but amidst all this junk on Steem, there are a few who are making a change and we are proud to be one of the few who are using steem to improve the lives of people and the planet.
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@krnel ·
Yup, there are rays of sunshine amidst the long standing problems on the platform ;)
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@intelliguy ·
$0.07
Curiously, if someone had to solve a "prove you are human" captcha in order to give someone a reward... other than the annoying inconvenience, how do you think it would change the reward pool distribution?

Just curious if you would have a benefit or not..
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@awesomianist ·
More browned skin dolphins if you know what I mean. No way a regular American can handle 200 capcha forms a day. 

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@krnel ·
Yeah but the money players don't want that, because auotmation and all their easy money goes bye bye. I would be hurt by no more automation for rewards as well, but I think it would be worth it to force the platform to be better and make people go out to reward others.
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@khaimi · (edited)
$0.04
I agree sir [@krnel](https://steemit.com/@krnel), The most felt thing here is how abandoned posts and quality content from the redfish. Just because they can't afford a bot doesn't mean they aren't qualified. I agree that technology must be effective, useful and have a good vision going forward. But as you mentioned it, greed is the main issue and rich as a successful interpretation on this platform. But that is the fact that happened, we cannot deny that they are here, and all have different goals. I am just trying to build and maintain the ideal goal here while, stay loyalty and post originality, the most important I think is the community that gives a million good to the world and is not greedy. Love your explanation sir. Thanks for sharing it. God bless you

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@clumsysilverdad ·
supporting newbies, at least at a token level, has always been the achilles heel.  thank goodness for the minnow programs that do exist
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@khaimi ·
Thanks you so much sir @clumsysilverdad. God bless you
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@khanza.aulia ·
@krnel I like your words about bidbots, the ecosystem has been different since bot coming. Most the post with good quality and original, but they are didnt get an Vote. Thanks for best explanation Sir. 

I want write more words, but i am not good in English
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@martinmcfly ·
$0.03
It's something to think about, do not use bots yet, although I do not know how to use them either. On the other hand, I think you have some reason, I think it's best to build an audience slowly, what came quickly, quickly goes.
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@krnel ·
Work. People don't want to do the work to earn their way. They want to buy votes to make some money. Put the rewards from bidbots votes back into the reward pool for 0% ROI, and see how many people still use bidbots lol
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@pennsif ·
This post has been added to today's  [**SOS Daily News**](https://steemit.com/steem/@pennsif/sos-daily-news-all-you-need-to-know-about-the-state-of-steem-12-december-2018) - a digest of all you need to know about the State of Steem.

***

* *Promoter of [**The SOS Forums : Weekly Discussion Forums on the State of Steem**](https://steemit.com/steem/@pennsif/the-state-of-steem-forum-1-supported-by-dsound-thursday-13-december-8pm-11pm-utc-msp-waves).*

* *Co-ordinator of [**SteemClub-UK**](https://steemit.com/@steemclub-uk).*

* *Editor of the [**weekly listing of steem radio shows, podcasts & social broadcasts**](https://steemit.com/mspwaves/@pennsif/schedule-of-steem-radio-shows-podcasts-and-social-broadcasts-supported-by-dsound-week-beginning-10-december-2018).*

* *Founder of the [**A Dollar A Day**](https://steemit.com/adollaraday/@adollaraday/a-dollar-a-day-charitable-giving-project-over-usd600-donated-in-november-2018-monthly-summary-of-donations-received-and-given) charitable giving project.*

https://pennsif.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/adollaraday-linear-400x98.jpg

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@practicalthought ·
$0.10
I came to both help others and make money (its a gamble, but perhaps it can happen). I look at the entire crypto bubble that is taking place, and wonder how people can think it could ever be decentralized when its value is judged based upon the fiat created by those who we are supposed to be escaping. Until such a time that we can buy everything using crypto, it will be subject to the one path it has to the real world that is not this false internet society. The one path owned by the bankers. But i suspect it was created to be a stronger control of the farm, as transactions can happen in the dark of night with fiat, not so with crypto. The moment they tie one to a wallet, every transaction ever taken place there is known. They have expended much energy into this tying of wallets to people. As well as I suspect that they are able to track every move a person makes on their computer, probably tracking built directly into any hardware you can buy. 

I take comfort in the fact that I have been able to help others here financially through votes and Steem donations out of my earnings. Steem that was sometimes cashed out so they could buy food or pay their electric bill for themselves and their kids. In this sense, if Steem was to collapse tomorrow, I would not feel I lost the little money I put in as it went to others who used it that needed it more than I did. 

The bidbots are a foolish endeavor for the buyers. It is like buying lottery tickets. They may occassionally make a small profit from using them, but most of the time it will be a loss and pure gain for the monied hands that act no different than the bankers/corporations who use their assets of power to dip their hands into the pockets of those with less. But fools insist on being parted from their money.
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@clumsysilverdad ·
i'm all about delegating now and trying to spread impact, goodwill, and get rewards that way.  the bidbot thing always rubbed me the wrong way for the most part, even though it was fun for awhile
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@ecodesigns ·
$0.02
Youare are an inspiring steemian @practicalthought and when we think of the impact of steem, we are inspired
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@practicalthought ·
Thank you for your kind words.
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@krnel ·
$0.02
> wonder how people can think it could ever be decentralized when its value is judged based upon the fiat created by those who we are supposed to be escaping. Until such a time that we can buy everything using crypto, it will be subject to the one path it has to the real world that is not this false internet society. The one path owned by the bankers

Well put. It can easily be coopted, and we wouldn't be the wiser. They have so much more money that the whole of the crypto sphere is worth.
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@sathyasankar · (edited)
$0.03
Off late, I have invested some money into steem. And today while searching on internet I found out [this data](https://walletinvestor.com/forecast/steem-prediction) where the author predicts the price of steem to reach 0.0000001! As someone who have plans to invest more on steem, this kind of datas actually embarrasses me. Although I agree that steem is more than making money, we shouldn't forget the fact that money is also an important aspect that draws many here!

Is there any reality in this?

![Screenshot_2018-12-12-21-12-33-82.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmcnxH1x2Mh1GmjjBAauzBq7bxK7CmzXnRJAmVo8sEqrKv/Screenshot_2018-12-12-21-12-33-82.png)
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@clumsysilverdad ·
i have bought too and don't regret it ... but yeah, one stares into the void and can't be sure what will happen.  i think enough core people have held on that there is hope for sure.  crypto is going thru dark days but no reason 2019 can't be a big bounce in perceptions and user growth again... there is a lot going on here that people all over teh world should be intrigued by
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@sathyasankar ·
It is soothing to hear words of hope such as this. Today I gonna buy more. But will make sure that the amount never exceed the money that I can afford to lose!
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@onthewayout ·
The price of Steem is closely correlated to BTC (this is the case for 99% of all cryptos). The analysis that they do on that site is worthless for the long term. The price of Steem will go up when BTC does the same.
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@sathyasankar ·
We can't say anything about cryptos. Yet, I like to believe in an upcoming ray of hope!
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@schattenjaeger ·
There are still tokens worth way more than STEEM.
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@trincowski ·
$0.02
That's the same site that was predicting STEEM to get above $100 back in January. They're just following the flock. I wouldn't call that "research."

<sup>**I'd like to ask you to participate in my [Art Curation Initiative #5](https://steemit.com/curation/@trincowski/art-curation-initiative-5-help-me-select-3-artists-to-reward-with-sbi-shares)**</sup>
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@sathyasankar ·
Thank you for this valuable information!
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@steem-ua ·
#### Hi @krnel!

Your post was upvoted by @steem-ua, new Steem dApp, using UserAuthority for algorithmic post curation!
Your **UA** account score is currently 7.255 which ranks you at **#68** across all Steem accounts.
Your rank has dropped 1 places in the last three days (old rank 67).

In our last Algorithmic Curation Round, consisting of 253 contributions, your post is ranked at **#9**.
##### Evaluation of your UA score:

* Your follower network is great!
* The readers appreciate your great work!
* Good user engagement!


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@trincowski · (edited)
Hmmm... how is this post ranked so high? :-/ 

<sup>**I'd like to ask you to participate in my [Art Curation Initiative #5](https://steemit.com/curation/@trincowski/art-curation-initiative-5-help-me-select-3-artists-to-reward-with-sbi-shares)**</sup>
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@steemflow ·
Well....I read a post earlier...about scorum which is paying better than steem. So hopefully time has come to look for another alternative

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@krnel · (edited)
Meh  sports :P Not interesting one bit.
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@thegreens ·
This is really a reflective post @krnel and thanks for the mention @chrisaiki. We are happy that we are steeming to make a change in our community and the world. Steem witness voted and let me know other witnesses that are worth voting for.
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@undercoverbuddha ·
I truly agree with your words, but your post didn't include a solution to the problem. Everyone in the community here is hugely money-driven. Either quality or community gets hampered in such a run for crypto and Steemit would never achieve the targets it was meant for. Any solutions anyone?
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