RE: Idea: Integrate Robot9000 into the Steem blockchain? by kyle.anderson

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steemit · @kyle.anderson · May 21 '17

$1.45

Well this is one of those things that might seem good in practice but is really dangerous. There is no way to accomplish this in a way that maintains the integrity of a blockchain. 

Good news is someone can make a bot that flags based on this. - their influence will rely on their stake in the network. They better hope it works well, it will be their stake on the line.

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@neoxian · May 21 '17

$0.55

>There is no way to accomplish this in a way that maintains the integrity of a blockchain.

Hmm, I don't think I agree with that.  A post or comment is simply a transaction that's added to a block.  The software "Steemd" that us witnesses run accepts these transactions.  Implementing Robot9000 would simply be an extra check on the previous blockchain for duplicates before including the comment into the block.

It seems doable in theory at least.

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@kyle.anderson · May 22 '17

You are certainly right, the witnesses could implement *something*. The problem I have I that there is no way that this could maintain the integrity of a decentralized blockchain. Steem already has weak points with DPOS consensus, this would be a whole new attack vector. 

What constitutes a duplicate to some may not to others. I think it is important to keep the blockchain free of as many of these checks as possible and let the actual economic incentives do the work for us. If posts like that become so low value that they are harming the platform, well then some stakeholder is going to have a bot that downvotes them. 

*Trust in the economics and game theory* - if you make it more complicated, there are more points of failure. The economics are extremely complex as they are.

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