I haven't done any downvoting because I don't want to get into a "pissing contest" about what is good content and what is a shitpost.  Also, I simply don't have the time to go looking for posts to downvote. I wouldn't know how to tell if a post was plagiarism unless it was super obvious... 

I think as an investment token that you hit the nail head on. No doubt that LBI could do serious damage to people, but that damage will come back to haunt LBI, it will limit the ability to expand it's investments. If LBI went on a down vote spree and then decided it wanted to invest a portion of its wealth in another tribe, that tribe could simply mute LBI out of fear they are coming after their users. 

The mute function needs to be used much more often than it is. Removing an annoyance from your view, and ensuring they are also muted on any auto vote list will eventually solve the problem. My mute list is slowly growing, over on steem I had something like 300+ people muted. Most spam bot, or serial down voters, and a good amount of plagiarist. 

Others voted for them, but that is other people their vote their voice, how someone votes most of the time does not bother me. If I have a question as to why a post got down voted, I'll simply as the person in a comment why, I'll either agree and mute the account or not. Simple. No harm other than a withdrawal of previous support.

Not in the mood to write but then you put out a 1000 word post :)  I get the idea behind downvoting, but I am not a fan of it.  I think some people know that they are putting out crap, but then again I think some people really put a lot of time and work into their original posts and then they get downvoted anyway.  Usually because someone doesn't agree with the rewards, but on some level crap posting is kind of subjective.  Just because you don't agree with the content you shouldn't discount the effort that went into it.  Isn't it easier just to ignore it and move along with your life?  I appreciate the stance LBI has taken about not downvoting. That seems like a much healthier path than some accounts choose to take.

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I am in a good position to talk about it because I have been blacklisted for a month ... 
Even the eventual rewarded for a comment are set to 0. My posts don't have much value but are linked to @actifit which makes me post as validation of proof of activity ... So I concluded that @actifit's posts have no place on HIVE. Another funny fact is that some accounts that downvote haven't posted for more than 1 year ... 
So it's better to have accounts that don't post rather than bad posts. I have been more of a reader and curator for years, however I find that the downvote does not help Hive ...

it's simple really: unless you're the USA wars are bad for business :))

Salty!  :-)  I thought it was just me having a bad day yesterday.  Maybe it was the moon cycle or something.  lol

Yes, I agree with your analysis of the downvote.  It really could and should be used more.  It is actually a good tool.  But you are right, it brings in the possibility of drama and I've got enough of that in other areas of my life.  I'm not looking to add to it here.

In the end, it's an inflationary token and we end up taking the good with the bad.  While some are probably gaming the system, there is still plenty to go around for those that are not.

Maybe if downvotes required comments explaining why it was downvoted there wouldn't be so much ill will.  "I downvoted you because..."  But even there I'm sure the other person will want to argue.

In the end, it is what it is.  I agree with LBI not downvoting.  As an "entity", it should probably remain positive when curating.  It doesn't seem like it's been too much of an issue on LEO so...why create tension where it's not really necessary at this point.

Hope today is a better day for you.  I'm hoping the same thing for me.  :-)

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Great!



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Well I understand that downvotes might be required to stop abuse and plagarism, I don't really like downvoting. I generally downvote those phishing comments I run across sometimes because nobody likes those phishing comments. 

I don't know if it can be tweaked to be better but every single system has it's own pros and cons. Everyone has a different opinion but I think 2nd layer tokens has made things a lot easier and downvotes a little less dangerous.

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Here's one for you... Instead of Why LBI does not downvote should it be instead put to the vote as per the governance we have in place to be *Should LBI downvote?* :O)

There are a lot of negative aspects to downvoting as you say but accounts with stake have to think about their position as a holder of that stake on the platform. There is a lot of shit out there which you rightly call out as turd put out for auto upvotes. Thats not counting the gibberish spam and plagiarism. Downvotes are needed. It could even be relatively anonymous if it was implemented Curie-style.

"Half the people that comment dont read it anyways, they just ask some question that's already answered in the post so they can get an upvote from @lbi-token. Nothing wrong with wanting an upvote but just saying, the writers do notice that alot of questions asked are answered in the post they are commenting too and it's like, did they read the post? Im sure a few do read whole posts, just saying is all as we do get good questions as well."

As much as I like the Hive-based blogging monetisation approach, this is actually its main drawback. People don't actually have to read anything to reward authors.

Other solutions like Coil (www.coil.com) mostly solve that problem by paying authors in real-time for watching/reading posts.

This big gap is exactly the reason why I maintain a blog that is both Hive-monetised and Coil-monetised.

In all fairness, I am far too busy with other things to update my blog regularly, but I do feel strongly about favoring that hybrid approach :) (you can find it here btw: https://blogs.mg.social/whydoitweet/)

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I think downvoting has its place but I agree that LBI should not be involved in it. There are other groups out there to police the ecosystem I don't believe that DV's should be in LBI's purview. Ignore or mute and move on, LBI has bags to fill and doesn't need the drama. :) 

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There is another major difference.

The LBI account is not voting with a lot of HP.  This means that the vote counts is for LEO.  Being a tribe, there are other ways to combat abuse such as plagiarism.

We do report those that are tag spamming and plagiarizing to the abuse account in discord.  This results in offenders rewards being removed (LEO) and them not showing up on the front end any more.

As for the trending page, LBI has a large input into what appears there so it is unlikely that we object to something that ends up there since there is a good chance our upvote got it there.



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