Inside A Crypto Pump & Dump Organization, Part 1 - The Setup + Discord Invite Links For The Inquisitive & Foolhardy! by lexiconical

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cryptocurrency · @lexiconical · Feb 17 '18 (edited)

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Inside A Crypto Pump & Dump Organization, Part 1 - The Setup + Discord Invite Links For The Inquisitive & Foolhardy!

<center>![Pump 00.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQma8rDyWu1fExvBjDX4uq5YcE4NzTHwGdpWGh3MECVdacD/Pump%2000.jpg)</center>

<center>*It's almost that easy.*</center>

If you have a pulse, you're probably aware that the cryptocurrency markets are well known for one outstanding feature in particular - volatility. 

Unfortunately, cryptocurrency is starting to get a reputation for the "wrong" kind of volatility, and the government may yet again be "here to help."

<center>![Pump 5.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmNg8XvRDSXpRWqebRoh2jQ1Gio9htz9HbT4jkFQoHsj2F/Pump%205.png)</center>

<center>*Didn't even have to type in crypto, Google knew what was up.*</center>

What contributes to volatility under normal circumstances? Well, truthfully a number of things that cryptocurrencies have do. Rapidly expanding markets based on new technology are inherently volatile, especially one so regularly fraught with regulatory peril as cryptocurrencies are. On top of that, thinly traded markets with slim order books and low market cap assets create a perfect brew for facilitating volatility.

However, there is another source that is definitively affecting the market you might not be considering - organized trading groups, typically derisively referred to as "Pump & Dump" operations.

<center>![Pump 0.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmZouYbsH6PfooohMePKHAoFpGDRom2nS1FnjtarmSshvr/Pump%200.png)</center>

<center>*Technically, this appears to be legal as cryptocurrencies are considered "property" not "securities". (US)*</center>

Typically, one can pump a stock either by distributing "information", or with overwhelming volume. The operations I'm aware of in the crypto-sphere are mostly engaged in the latter.

The way these groups work is that a signal goes out to all the members of the group to purchase the same thinly-traded alt-coin at a major exchange. Times are chosen to maximize impact from members being present and market activity. Usually, Binance is the popular target as they have a functional interface that includes the option to buy and sell at market, something that is surprisingly missing from some other major exchanges such as Bittrex, and is borderline mission-critical when attempting to execute fast trades in a suddenly clogged market.

<center>![Pump 6.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmRoo8yLZjPMf9Fp1gsdM5uk9KK6EBQdKthhoMiRc4xyQY/Pump%206.png)</center>

<center>*An example of a bot-hardened Telegram signal, which is often used due to an ironically lower latency than Discord.*</center>

There are two types of pumps, ranked and unranked. In an unranked pump, the signal theoretically goes out to all members at exactly the same moment, and the battle for gains comes down to speed in trade execution, latency, etc. In a ranked pump, the signal is time-delayed to different groups of users based on their contribution to the Discord group (generally in the form of users invited). The competition is fast and furious either way, as the advantages given are measured in halves of seconds.

Results can be impressive, painting 1m candles showing gains as high as 50%. The gains are given back just as quickly, with the market typically equalizing to very near the original price. Unless you are very fast and early, you may end up a bagholder.

<center>![Pump 7.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmexZjWHfaEK8pcwK7MvW3WUuRUBCeEoWVamtJNMkCYWAD/Pump%207.png)</center>

<center>*Both of these candles were separate pump-group operations.*</center>

Below, I'm going to paste a series of links to the various Pump groups I've been invited to. I'm going to be very clear here and say I DO NOT ENDORSE ANY OF THESE GROUPS. I provide the links so that anyone interested in how these groups operate can do their own investigation. If you follow any trades from these groups, which I explicitly suggest you NOT do, you are at your own risk.

Note that following these links to join these Discord groups actually helps me bring additional information to my readers, as they employ a ranking system based on # of users invited which cordon off access to channels based on how much you have promoted the group. It is very difficult to determine who is profiting from these operations without access to the early-information channels for promoters, but as I stated before, I am not trading pumps and do not intend to.

<center>![Pump 4.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmbubKQm3CHvnmvXYZKv8ebA9fmtKCchTZwfVevrxeo9wg/Pump%204.png)</center>

<center>*The cred and chat access from accepting the discord links do help my research.*</center>

1. [*First, the group noted in my expose above, "Mega Pump".*](https://discord.gg/aZCTUGy)
2. [*Second is "International Pump Industries"*](https://discord.gg/wmfrUSP)
3. [*Third is "Fair Organized Pumps".*](https://discord.gg/XwAePgB)
4. [*Fourth is "Fair Pumps". I'm noticing a trend of overcompensation here.*](https://discord.gg/eHTdqpG)
5. [*Finally, we have "Ultimate Unranked Pumps"*](https://discord.gg/rnjyVyb)

AGAIN, THESE LINKS ARE ONLY SUGGESTED FOR OBSERVATION/CURIOUSITY. TRADE AT YOUR OWN RISK. I DO NOT SUGGEST TRADING PUMPS.

As you can see, much like an earlier, unregulated stock market there is no shortage of these trading groups to be found.

Stay tuned for part 2. I'll discuss the several pumps I have directly observed in real time, which paints a __critically different pictures__ from the conclusions you might draw if you only checked the results charts. The results that these are not money printing operations for most of their users may surprise you.

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pnc	15,121,234,017	5%
dana-edwards	993,648,521,340	85.55%
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cryptobarry	70,364,831,242	100%
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edrivegom	3,381,644,614	25%
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candyshop	408,234,957	100%
crypto-toll	7,058,572,214	100%
olesh	1,140,652,255	100%
scaredycatguide	39,412,351,429	25%
silverbug2000	889,737,497	100%
ironwood	13,432,298,252	100%
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digital-wisdom	13,341,414,422	25%
ethical-ai	4,410,389,161	25%
jwaser	5,125,658,922	25%
bwaser	1,029,366,840	25%
abh12345	40,609,211,823	4%
carterx7	113,220,353,597	100%
ellepdub	389,089,620	25%
herpetologyguy	60,837,399,216	25%
drac59	3,526,596,391	90%
morgan.waser	2,097,439,138	25%
handyman	694,676,266	25%
strong-ai	3,748,268,440	25%
busy.pay	2,354,888,383,448	11.19%
naturalguy	1,630,091,576	100%
hustletoparadise	24,828,835,071	30%
hopehuggs	409,425,455,430	100%
technoprogressiv	2,854,056,765	25%
alexvan	9,336,397,296	10%
lovemetouchme2	10,717,660,729	5%
enchant	200,864,861	100%
firesteem	5,237,591,594	15%
karenbuhr	539,214,416	100%
eb637413	668,111,682	100%
anonimnotoriu	245,450,906	5%
morseke1	117,110,435,457	100%
gmichelbkk	2,184,544,754	10%
freedomexists	6,840,663,163	85.55%
macheru	803,721,844	100%
freebornsociety	462,583,657	1%
anomadsoul	52,968,153,582	0.4%
daudimitch	23,397,805,108	100%
ranal	585,960,574	100%
choogirl	51,788,000,959	5%
greenstar	4,973,367,931	5%
realitycheck	1,285,902,623	100%
froghollow	614,447,255	100%
malay11	4,252,666,941	100%
bargolis	1,398,585,840	10%
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shellyduncan	202,619,775	0.1%
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jist	21,019,779,751	100%
alanzheng	119,880,017	2%
viki.beta	52,358,562	100%
newsteem	819,817,963	100%
imp.unity	8,543,540,671	100%
temmy8284	975,972,954	100%
yanosh01	1,328,462,638	5%
bestnazmul2	481,452,349	100%
idrisrss	558,295,496	100%
cryptovisitor	3,414,370,149	100%
ahmedjubayer	493,695,033	100%
renuka	556,485,354	100%
energox	10,392,467,419	100%
steveconnor	949,400,312	5%
dizzyjay	110,452,962	100%
besthelal03	423,161,001	100%
bestmdfisal01	1,096,160,665	100%
chibikko	752,826,122	100%
garyph	4,462,062,262	10%
camaund	428,149,021	100%
rohan111	465,980,566	100%
potplucker	8,215,664,351	100%
justindaviesart	358,220,892	100%
ssk1942	1,787,376,377	100%
browndarliz	571,088,327	100%
monitasis	559,531,287	100%
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steemit-arabia	1,010,721,064	100%
marcedf	390,203,614	100%
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hakansahin	344,399,686	100%
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ccworld	274,164,112	100%
sc0ut	613,321,095	100%
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quinnpeterson	1,277,756,612	100%
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msrasel	264,763,781	100%
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mailees	440,511,156	100%
rameshkc2027	578,708,826	100%
papabpc	560,314,038	100%
ankita63	570,878,631	100%
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steembooster	388,101,351	100%
powerofdreams	526,098,600	100%
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reshma	557,012,716	100%
antonsteemit	4,820,199,875	100%
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sohailahmed	1,919,144,423	100%
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hendrapranabal	203,275,294	100%
cryptogem	10,754,782,745	100%
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chotho	799,780,711	100%
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divinitysa	495,824,074	100%
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virt	614,150,041	100%
jeenger	4,307,884,521	100%
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steemminder	254,877,293	100%
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rikki-ch	1,188,695,906	100%
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techlife	1,339,399,569	100%
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salimcanm	950,649,728	100%
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@abdurrahim007 · Feb 17 '18

$0.05

@UPVOTED ![U5dt8BFauhjGURqh8Rn38guHXV9gmrZ (1).gif](https://steemitimages.com/DQmT1mdH4WiFZj1ipvLRqEPJ118ExJuiR91v5QW493up5Fg/U5dt8BFauhjGURqh8Rn38guHXV9gmrZ%20(1).gif)

👍 hossainsohag

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

Thanks!

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@acushla · Feb 17 '18

$0.03

Thanks for taking your time to put this together

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

Part 2 may be even more interesting, where we look at what kind of profitability members can expect.

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@ady25 · Feb 17 '18

Nice post article

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

You're going to have to try harder.

👍 slowgrow

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@albertogm · Feb 17 '18

Great post @lexiconical! I am part of a couple groups like this on Telegram, it was more thr curiosity than the will to actually follow the signals, and in my experience are full of shitcoins pumps and dumps. To make money out of this youll have to put a lot of money, and with the risk of be a bagholder, not for anyone. 
Thanks for sharing.
https://media.giphy.com/media/oBPOP48aQpIxq/giphy.gif

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@andreina89 · Feb 17 '18

Excellent friend very interesting and good information great contribution for the community thanks for sharing with us dear friend blessings, if you can support me with a vote greetings

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

Poor form to ask for votes, fyi.

👍 slowgrow

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@arohi-1 · Feb 17 '18

I look forward to seeing your next post.This factor never been couped, because these groups are every in the world.
Unfortunately they may still be rich afterwards regardless

👍 lexiconical, arohi-1, tanvir420

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

I can promise you that many are losing on this endeavor, too.

👍 arohi-1

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@awahidsteem · Feb 17 '18

Terimakasih @lexiconical
Inside A Crypto Pump & Dump Organization, Bagian 1 - Setup + Discord Mengundang Tautan untuk Keingintahuan & Bodoh!
leksikon (70) dalam kripto daya • 1 jam yang lalu
Pompa 00.jpg
Ini semudah itu.
Jika Anda memiliki denyut nadi, mungkin Anda sadar bahwa pasar kriptocurrency terkenal dengan satu ciri menonjol - volatilitas.

Sayangnya, kripto gawat darurat mulai mendapatkan reputasi untuk jenis volatilitas yang "salah", dan pemerintah mungkin lagi akan "berada di sini untuk membantu."

Pompa 5.png
Bahkan tidak perlu mengetikkan kripto, Google tahu apa yang terjadi.
Apa yang berkontribusi terhadap volatilitas dalam keadaan normal? Well, sejujurnya sejumlah hal yang kripto krusial telah lakukan. Pasar yang berkembang dengan cepat berdasarkan teknologi baru pada dasarnya sangat mudah berubah, terutama yang sangat rentan terhadap bahaya peraturan karena kripto diare. Selain itu, pasar yang diperdagangkan tipis dengan pesanan pesanan yang ramping dan aset pasar yang rendah menciptakan minuman yang sempurna untuk memfasilitasi volatilitas.

Howeve ...

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

I'm sorry, you'll have to reply in English if you want me to respond substantively.

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@awanawan · Feb 17 '18

$0.05

These groups are every kind of markets. You drawn our attention very major factors dump pump. This factor control the market artificially.
This factor never been couped, because these groups are every in the world.

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

$0.12

As long as there are people who want to make more money faster (read: always), we'll have groups such as these.

👍 abh12345

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@buggedout · Feb 17 '18

$0.05

I know they work on referrals, but I wonder if a co-ordinated sybil type attack vector would enable you to get to the top of the referral tree and shine the light from up there.

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

$0.03

I don't think there's much to be gained. What they do is visible for anyone carefully watching the timing of the operation. Check in on part 2 where I'll do a minute by minute breakdown of the actual price action.

👍 buggedout

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@cryptobarry · Feb 17 '18

$0.05

Any old timers remember Sablecoin back in early 2013? I use to mine them out of boredom. I hit the top of a pump and sold them for 1.2 BTC. Not 2 hours later they dropped from 40 cents to less than a cent. 

Shitcoins were much more fun back then. These new bullshit projects are taking themselves way to serious.

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

$0.40

97.5% drop, that's a good one!

Those were the days.

👍 cryptobarry

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@cryptobroye · Feb 18 '18

Interesting article! I've followed and up-voted your post i look forward to your future content!

For info and technical and fundamental analysis of Crypto's, an insight into how the whales manipulate the market and how to get involved in an exciting 12 month millionaire challenge we've recently started, check out @cryptobroye :)

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@dizzyjay · Feb 17 '18 (edited)

$0.11

Crypto will evolve around this I’m sure. It’s scary that these people have zero regard for who in fact their ripping off. It’s a Wild West but eventually order comes and when it does these people will be totally blindsided by it I’m sure. Unfortunately they may still be rich afterwards regardless. It doesn’t matter cryptocurrency will change the world forever so we need these kind of hurdles to make it really last. The bank fiat bubble won’t collapse in a day! Honestly more worried about people like Ellen degenerate spreading false information and making jokes without doing any research. People in positions of voice and power need to grow some brains and think for themselves

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

The market does a pretty decent job, even at these lower market cap levels, of smoothing these over. The real victims are those who execute these pumps slowly and poorly - the bagholders are the slowest in these groups, and anyone who gets stopped out.

👍 dizzyjay

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@dromzz · Feb 17 '18

$0.03

I actually learned something from this post. I didn't know the difference between unranked and ranked groups before (because I have never researched...) Everything was explained thoughtfully but not in a way which was too hard to understand. Thanks :)

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

I'm pleased you found it useful. Thank you.

👍 dromzz

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@eliaseduardo · Feb 18 '18

buen post amigo te invito a ver mi blog

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@energox · Feb 17 '18

$0.03

pump & dump makes it usually impossible for regular user to make money. most of the money are made by the group' owners.

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

This is roughly my conclusion as well, but check out part 2 for my actual breakdown of the minute by minute profitability of their trades.

👍 slowgrow

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@fajarmadan · Feb 17 '18

Nice

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

You can do better.

👍 slowgrow

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@funbobby51 · Feb 17 '18

$0.05

very interesting, I would also caution people that this may be criminal activity and eventually they might come after you.

👍 lexiconical, funbobby51

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

Yes, as I mentioned, this currently resides in a legal gray area but I would not recommend it either.

👍 funbobby51

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@funbobby51 · Feb 17 '18

seems like fraud but the authorities are not hip to it yet.

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@g-dubs · Feb 17 '18

$0.05

Very interesting article, thanks for sharing.
That first pic is priceless!!!

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

$0.07

Gotta credit ClayTrader.com on that one. Good stuff. Thanks for reading and commenting.

👍 g-dubs

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@gangas · Feb 17 '18

Awesome post , @lexiconical this is great information that many crypto traders are not aware. I will not hesitate to join this group. Thanks.

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

You should, however, hesitate to trade their calls without doing due diligence.

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@gizemli3 · Feb 17 '18

thanks for post very nıce blog congras.I follow you allways

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@gizemli3 · Feb 17 '18

thanks for post very nıce blog congras.I follow you allways

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@gloviss34 · Feb 17 '18

Nice! Thanks for this... I will really love to learn more about cryptocurrency, I wish I knew of a platform for beginners so that I can join and take part

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@gniksivart · Feb 17 '18

$0.05

The only thing I accomplished by trying to join a pump and dump was buying at the top and getting stuck holding a bag of crap coins

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

This is exactly what is likely to happen to most who try to do this. Even those who aren't front running are likely using scripts, bots, low latency APIs etc to beat you.

Every pump I've watched so far, I'd have been a bagholder if I bought.

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@imp.unity · Feb 17 '18

$0.51

Interesting bit of information, I'm glad you brought this topic up to light for me and others to have a think about

I took a look at one of the groups you sent me an invite to... This does seem pretty insane in terms of the economic value... It's like casino-roulette style market-trading lol.
I would be deeply suspicious of "joining" an organization that deals in this kind of stuff... How the hell do you know you're not going to be at the tail end of the signal, buying the high right before the price collapses...
I suppose if these groups were made of tens of thousands of people, and the operation lasted a few weeks; it could be.... interesting?

But if its just a couple a whales running the show and they're just looking to loot other people's wallets; it's like how would anybody be interested in this?

I have a hard time understanding how this even works? I guess some people just want to be a part of a group when they enter the market and don't have the analytical and technical skills to make informed decisions by themselves?

It's a herd mentality towards gambling... Why would anybody be interested in this?

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

The idea is that it won't be gambling. Since it's an organized operation, the perception is that everyone makes money. Reality is something else. It simply appeals to greed, which reliably works on humanity.

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@imp.unity · Feb 18 '18

Yeah... That's **_the idea..._**
Like you say! The reality is completely different!
All that money that the early guys giving the signal makes will be coming straight out of somebody else's pockets...
It's literally a mass market ponzie-pyramid event... Those who get in first will make the lion's share of the money, those who follow will capitalize in a decreasingly significant fashion... Eventually the table's turn and those who will be be buying will be buying in too late which means that when the sell-off occurs and they're left holding bags... Their extra money will be in those early-bird whales' wallets...

I picture it as one of those shuffling of cards rapid number crunching things that looks a little bit like this...

![raw.gif](https://steemitimages.com/DQmSUP8uvk39YNT4cBZEB8w9yeyhUZRWstj92WrVG6bi4va/raw.gif)

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@indigoocean · Feb 17 '18

$1.02

Thanks for this. I've come across one TG channel that does this and reading through the posts there as they prepped people for the next pump, I couldn't help but thinking what a risky idea it was. I doubt it really does the overall market much harm doing the volume play like this, since if you happen to set a stop-limit order that crosses that price you just get lucky, and otherwise the market goes back to what it had been pretty quickly without your ever knowing anything happened. It's the people participating who are at most risk.

I also thought, well they are telling people they have to be ready in 7 days, now 6, now 5, etc. and then will be told what coin they are buying at the last minute. But of course you know that the PnD organizer is buying up that coin the entire week! They need the week to buy enough slowly without making the price move up any before their pump signal goes out. They are going to be the real winner, dumping as soon as they send out their "buy now" command to their followers.

I look forward to seeing your next post. Somehow I suspect you discovered something similar. 

And then of course there is also the misinformation PnD, which those who can leverage the mainstream media or large audiences of their own tend to do. That one tends to be slower moving, but just as deadly for your crypto balance sheet.

Great topic.

👍 lexiconical, barakar, cryptoj215

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@cryptoj215 · Feb 17 '18

Thanks for the info! Been wanting to hear more about these types of operations for a little while now! Following you!

👍 indigoocean

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

*"It's the people participating who are at most risk."*

I've have to agree. This will mostly hurt those scooped up in the great search for bagholders, ie the slowest members of these groups.

👍 indigoocean

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

Incidentally, replying myself here to note ironically I've already received another invite to a new group since posting this article. Here's another link for anyone else wandering down this rabbithole.

https://discord.gg/fjcDsar

👍 kestutisgarys

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@jfbl1984 · Feb 17 '18

Thanks for this information, very interesting.

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

Stay tuned for part 2, with the profitability analysis.

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@johndogett · Feb 17 '18

$0.79

All this sounds exciting but...........
I not sure that I would make download from there site.
How safe is it ??

👍 johndogett

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

You don't download anything from them (and you are right to be wary).

The above are just Discord links that will give you access to their Discord channels. No downloads.

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@mariakt · Feb 17 '18

hey my friend Steemian. Need your help! I am new here and really would love to become part of this great community.  Please, upvote and resteem my one  post. I appreciate it a lot. Thank you!

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

This type of request will get you flagged.

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@maykocan · Feb 17 '18

nice post thanks :)

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

You are welcome.

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@monjan · Feb 17 '18

$0.06

hmmm... it's really depressing to see this thing going on in the market  i don't understand why people don't invest in the technology itself.

👍 lexiconical, indigoocean

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

I guess greed would be the obvious answer...it's faster to try and manipulate than to wait for technology to mature.

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@morseke1 · Feb 17 '18 (edited)

$0.05

I didn't realize how many of these groups there are.  I've been shouted at once to join one, but would never consider such a clear act of manipulation.  Looking forward to the examples you've observed.

Love the pig on a toilet picture!

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

I liked that one too. Can't take credit for it though.

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@nmkeur · Feb 17 '18

Thanks for this. I hope most people will keep avoiding these groups.

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

We can only hope.

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@petrovych · Feb 18 '18

Bitcoin is a remarkable achievement in the field of cryptography, and its ability to create something that can not be duplicated (faked) in the digital world is of great importance.

👎 onealfa

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@robus · Feb 17 '18 (edited)

Good one

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@sami100 · Feb 17 '18

Nice@sami100

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

Thanks.

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@skycornish · Feb 20 '18

$0.20

Unfortunately, crypto needs some regulation..

👍 skycornish

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@tamala · Feb 17 '18

Being a complete neophyte in the world of crypto (or shall I say the wild west of crypto?), I had seen the term "pump and dump" but hadn't tried to figure out what that meant since there was so much other learning to do.  Thank you for such a concise and revelatory explanation along with your sage advice to steer clear.  I can easily imagine a scenario where I had fallen prey to this type of scheme trying to make a quick crypto-buck in order to power up my Steem account only to be left holding the bag.  I will be looking forward to the next installment! ![wildwestCryptosm.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmfFJ7xhCiRZoRwYMdTSa3qWxkwP9ViCHN4acnLg3wFc8f/wildwestCryptosm.png)
 [image](http://www.businessinsider.com/ico-cryptocurrency-pump-and-dump-telegram-2017-11?r=UK&IR=T)

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@tiagobuiles1 · Feb 17 '18

$0.05

this is really famous, great post ... there are also groups where they tell novice people on the subject they buy before the dump so many people lose the risks are great unless you are a great whale post ... excellent to share friend greetings @lexiconical

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

I'm pretty sure that every one of these groups is going to have front-runners. It's practically immutable human nature.

👍 slowgrow

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@tngflx · Feb 17 '18

$0.03

great write up dude. Pump and dump are way better executed with a massive collaboration of bots. You'll earn more if you're the bot owner of course. Joining pump and dump group is just pure stupidity. Why would they even share the profit with some strangers they just invited. There's always a catch to everything. Beware.

👍 lexiconical

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@lexiconical · Feb 17 '18

The idea is the more people you can recruit, the more volume your pump has and therefore can achieve much greater price gains.

Who this works out for in practice is a story for part 2.

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@tngflx · Feb 17 '18

Ok, I'll let detective Lexi to work :D 
*Patiently waiting for the next sequel..*

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