Communities need an upgrade by lordbutterfly

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hive-167922 · @lordbutterfly · Aug 11 '20 (edited)

Communities need an upgrade

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A feature we were all hyped about when it launched turned out kind of meh...
There are a few exceptions but for most part i find communities unimpressive.

I found myself almost completely forgetting about it. Sure, i use Leo interface and that is a community but for most part thats it.
When i browse through the feed its like browsing the "new" feed. I feel like it all lacks a more robust content placement algo. More control for mods.

Ive seen a few people mention some really good upgrade ideas that arent talked about much.
I like to point out that HIVE needs more sinks to counter the inflation, more financial incentives, a use case for HBD. Communities could be one or more of those things.

Instead of having folks spam every post that comes to mind into a community, why not have some kind of <b>fee. Something like a paywall, a monthly subscription that allows you to post stuff or comment... etc.</b>
It would make sure you arent just spamming crap every day and it would create a financial incentive for the admins and mods. Theyd want their community to thrive, try and keep their community content quality high so they can attract whales to vote and more readers which would then attract more quality creators and make them more money.
Stuff like that...

Another thing..
Something the frontends would need to help with is allow for community advertising. I know the frontends "technically" are the ones that would receive the funds since they own the advertising space but that would connect communities with a realworld use case before someone figures out how to do it in a better way. Not everyone should need to know how to create their own front end like LeoFinance did.

What about built in community chat on community page? That would take us from discord back to HIVE. Many options exist

Right now i feel like communities are basically just moderated tags and they can be so much more.

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@bil.prag · Aug 11 '20

$0.06

there is an option to add discord chat to a community on peakd. i know midlet on OnChainArt did it. not sure about other communities

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@chesatochi · Aug 11 '20

$0.04

The focus is to reduce the cost on the blockchain layer with hard fork 24 I believe.

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@lordbutterfly · Aug 11 '20

Yep. That's true. Doesn't mean we can't discuss th...

Yep. That's true. Doesn't mean we can't discuss the future. 🙂

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@chesatochi · Aug 13 '20

Maybe hard fork 25 ;)

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@josediccus · Aug 11 '20

$0.05

I feel a fee for posting wouldn't be bad but then it might discourage community usage. However a sort of restrictions might be good

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@lordbutterfly · Aug 11 '20

Sometimes restrictions are good.

Sometimes restrictions are good. 

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@knowhow92 · Aug 11 '20 (edited)

$0.05

Communities definitely need some updates but I do not think that a fee is a good idea! If I invite a new user to my community and tell them that they need to pay for posting, they will probably not bother posting at all!

Most people think they have to pay something so they can start earning in Hive and that's the reason most of them do not even trying Hive out.

Community advertising sound awesome! I would love that feature as well as a community chat (In-Hie Discord).

Thanks for sharing @lordbutterfly. Suggestions and then improvements is what we need right now ;)

👍 lordbutterfly

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@lordbutterfly · Aug 11 '20

Well maybe that's for the best. Not everyone needs...

Well maybe that's for the best. Not everyone needs to post.
We need content consumers.
Only a very small percentage of YouTube users are creators. That should be our goal.

The hook for the social media side of Hive doesn't need to be "you can make money here", it can be "you can run into great content here". 

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@knowhow92 · Aug 11 '20

$0.03

I can agree to some extend. 
I am not an expert in these stuff but as I see it we need content and then content consumers. 

I was just taking a look at the daily statistics and there were no more than 5500 posts published today! That sucks! 

By the way,the average number of comments on Hive posts is 2 comments on every post so I guess you are right and we need more content consumers.

Let's figure this shit out and let's make Hive Thrive all together! Each of us must try our best and promote Hive with all our power!

👍 lordbutterfly

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@nathanmars · Aug 11 '20 (edited)

$0.07

I just wait Hive community to completely abandon Discord. 

Communities and Projects need to start migrating to our own platforms sooner than later. 

Discord is the Enemy of Hive Growth 
Twitter is our Friend of Hive Growth

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@lordbutterfly · Aug 11 '20

I tend to agree on the Discord sentiment. Still waiting to see what @andrarchy creates in that regard. Havent been hearing from his team in a while.

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@andrarchy · Aug 17 '20

I totally agree with the sentiment. Because our focus has shifted to the base layer, with the 2nd layer being next most important, and the application layer (a chat application) coming in a distant third what might be most realistic is that the base layer and second layer solutions we roll out will make it a lot easier for a 3rd party developer to solve this problem.

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@nathanmars · Aug 11 '20

We need to change things how we used to do 

Because we want to go new level with HIVE

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@stayoutoftherz · Aug 11 '20

$0.06

Maybe you had just bad luck and didn´t encounter so far communities relevant to you.
I don´t see why a fee should have any benefit. It it the job of the community admin to kick out crap content. The insane cross-posting anyway largely stopped after it was not rewarded any longer.

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@lordbutterfly · Aug 11 '20

Having financial incentives creates various opport...

Having financial incentives creates various opportunities and new systems. 

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@vikisecrets · Aug 11 '20

$0.04

Not sure whether a paywall or (one-time) member fee for communities would really improve communities, but it could be an optional feature, admins could set. Maybe there are use cases for that. Ads on communities is a good idea, @peakd already shows topic-related ads I think. Another idea is a filter option to rank posts by community members only, or to switch between account-based (member-based) and vote-based ranking, just as an experiment. A one-time membership fee could reduce fake account attacks on the account-based ranking.

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@lordbutterfly · Aug 11 '20

$0.03

Those are decent ideas. It's important to keep at ...

Those are decent ideas. It's important to keep at these discussions. Unfortunately the focus is on the next HF that doesnt really deal with any new features, rather adjustments in relation to the Steem split. 

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