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TOKENIZED communities and Fixing our UX! by lordbutterfly

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· @lordbutterfly · (edited)
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TOKENIZED communities and Fixing our UX!
![20200710_023230.gif](https://images.hive.blog/DQmdtv3jj85JV8XdcvfQbdmdibmSdDfFGS2dL9aduiMvvZe/20200710_023230.gif)

I mentioned it in a few of my other posts that arent related to marketing but this is a story I want to keep going for a simple reason.

TOKENIZED COMMUNITIES NEED TO BE THE FUTURE OF HIVE!

And I will be repeating this where ever I can. I will DM you, I will call you at work, I will knock on your door and ask you:

>Have you heard about our lord and savior "Tokenized Communities?"

Ive been working on marketing for a few months now and in that time ive seen what exact problems Hive is facing. And its not the problems you might think. All of them seem to be related to user experience and community content valuation.

1. Regular users in any large amount will NEVER jump through the hoops of Hive account creation or put in effort to store, understand the bunch of passwords we have. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN A MILLION YEARS! Stop viewing the signup process from the point of view of a hiver. View it from the point of view of a random uninformed visitor!
**SOLUTION: Login through email/facebook and frontend seamless account custodial services.**

2. Long form content has been for years the basis of how we assigned value to content. That kept us in our small niche and away from mainstream adoption. **Not every person can write a 500 word blog but every idiot can write a 500 character tweet.**
let me illustrate what I mean.
Out of 1000 clicks I got on our LinkTree yesterday. https://linktr.ee/_Hive.io

![image.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmNytRzzB5s6Lh7VVHobtEGCrQ6Vax6AQfKYjMKNUs8iFg/image.png)

### 35% clicked on the @ecency "Download Mobile APP".

## 25% clicked on the @hiveonboard "Sign Up Here"
### 3%  clicked on the Blogging option! Only 3%! (I removed the option afterwards.)
You will not get the mainstream to use Hive through blogging. We need to move away from blogging. It needs to be a niche even on Hive.

**SOLUTION**: **Move everything to second layer which will allow for short form content to thrive while being able to compete with existing dapps.**
Right now, no dapps offering short form content can compete with @peakd, @ecency, @hiveblog because the community views short form content as junk. Once "COMMUNITY TOKENS" are a thing then each dapp will have their own token and each will be able to compete regardless of content form.

It is clear at this point in time that Frontends and investors arent keen in having HiveEngine integrated. Im eagerly waiting for @threespeak to unveil their idea of community tokenization.

What ever comes first. SMTs or the 3speak system, there is only 1 thing that matters.

**It needs to be a plug and play modular system with preset templates for content type that can be set up in 3 clicks by the most basic of users with 0 (ZERO) dev skill required. Token exchange built alongside it.**

This is the future I see.

### A Hive where frontends care most about user experience at all levels, where users can start using Hive without requiring any special knowledge or effort. Where anyone can create any community with their own token and economy in 3 clicks. Once we achieve that, we will thrive.

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@lordbutterfly/tokenized-communities-and-fixing-our-ux)
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@bil.prag ·
https://peakd.com/hive-163399/@peakd/looking-back-at-hf25-looking-forward-to-next-12-things
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@lordbutterfly ·
>D. ONE CLICK CUSTODIAN ACCOUNTS FOR NEW USERS
Meaning sign up with FB login and don't have to deal with keys until they're ready to own their own account and be responsible for keys. This is for your friends and family who just want to comment on your post. They don't care about crypto or blog writing... YET!

Aj super. Vec sam mislia da me nece poslusat. Nisam vidia ovaj post. thx
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@bitcoinflood ·
We need developers, you know those people we pay a ton of HBD to each month to make the sign up process easier or to give other devs the tools to be able to achieve this easier. There has to be a reason devs are not building other platforms on top of hive besides a few games and cookie cutter blog posts. It's either too complicated or it's not possible with what hive currently offers. Both or either needs to be a primary focus right now.
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@lordbutterfly ·
I cant comment on programing difficulty. 
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@xiko · (edited)
because @blocktrades the greedy slut is slow playing the shit to maybe be ready by HF5769 to coincide with when The Milky Way merges with Andromeda.

> HIVE* - JOIN THE SPATIAL REFORMATION (*discord required)

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@borislavzlatanov ·
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> It is clear at this point in time that Frontends and investors arent keen in having HiveEngine integrated.

What do you mean? I can see my Hive Engine wallet and do all operations on it right from PeakD. 

PeakD will also work on showing Hive Engine token rewards on posts, as far as I understood.

And Hive Engine is about to release a new frontend (Outposts) that is all about tokenized communities. 

Oh, and PeakD will work on custodial accounts also.

Not sure about other frontends.
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@lordbutterfly · (edited)
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Im talking about being able to create your own LeoFinance in 3 clicks. An option that is front and center and a upgrade of the community system to "Tokenized communities". 

>And Hive Engine is about to release a new frontend (Outposts) that is all about tokenized communities.

Sounds encouraging but im hoping for something accepted across teh board and integrated with Hive in a decentralized manner. 

>Oh, and PeakD will work on custodial accounts also.

Ive been trying to encourage them for a few weeks now. They had that planned but scrapped it. Hoping to see it return. 

EDIT: i just saw they will be doing that with Facebook. 
Thats amazing news. Game changer
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@coininstant · (edited)
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Make some marketing HVE How To use videos on YouTube! We need to show the non blockchain people how to use us. I noticed a lot of videos about SHIBA, but not as many about hive!!
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@lordbutterfly · (edited)
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If i manage to find a video creator on Hive. It was in my plans but hiring someone on the outside costs between 4000-5000 USD for a short video. 

But you are correct, we need those. If you know anyone that could do it cheaper, ill talk to them. 

EDIT: Thx for the suggestion. I actually found someone cheaper. This is now on the agenda and will be made in the next month. 
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@coininstant ·
Nice!!!
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@d-zero ·
>Right now, no dapps offering short form content can compete with @peakd, @ecency, @hiveblog because the community views short form content as junk. Once

### Excuse Me! What Happened To https://d.buzz ?
You could check newer features on https://next.d.buzz 
@chrisrice is very active there. Hive account is @dbuzz you can check all the cool features there. __There's been tons of development compared to how they started :)__

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@chrisrice ·
Hey @d-zero,

We still have a lot going on in the background, including a 2-hectare mixed-use compound in the #Philippines that in part, will be used as a main office for @dbuzz as well as offering housing for core members of our team.

- Photos & Videos coming soon. <br /><br /> Posted via <a href="https://d.buzz" data-link="promote-link">D.Buzz</a>
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@savvyplayer ·
I thought for a moment that the "core members" of your team are those who are very active members of D.Buzz (who will either become employees or tenants who will pay rent at a reduced price). 🤔
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@lordbutterfly ·
It doesnt work well with frontends and the current system. Im not sure what it looks like now but when i used it. 
1. upvotes constricted to 1 dollar. 
2. Peakd/hiveblog showing tweets in feeds. 
3. triggers autovotes. 


Frontends and dbuzz simply arent compatible. 
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@chrisrice ·
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1. Max-accepted-payouts can be adjusted on https://d.buzz

2. We worked on a MR for Hivemind over a month ago, that would add filters for Dapps like @peakd, Hive.Blog and @ecency, making D.Buzz compatible w/all.

3. I think autovotes were already turned off for D.Buzz @d-zero. <br /><br /> Posted via <a href="https://d.buzz" data-link="promote-link">D.Buzz</a>
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@marc5 ·
Basically we need more developers that know more about marketing and more marketers that know about developing ;). Hopefully we can get some good growth and visibility from the crazy game summer.
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@nonameslefttouse ·
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Maybe just stop calling all the various forms of content we have here, "Blogging" ... ?

**Would that help?**

Because there's a fuck of a lot more going on here in the "Blogging Space" than just "blogging".

*Something to think about.*

Look around.  There are short posts, long posts, art posts, music posts, blog posts, articles, photos, videos, personalities, funny stuff, happy stuff, sad stuff, BITCHY STUFF!  Wow this list is getting long.  But if the plan is to pay people for tweets, because EASY, and make the musician look like a fool who can't even compete with a tweet, then all you got is twitter that tweets about itself.

And yes the second layer.  Games, NFTs, communities.  What are you panicking about?

See this?  I'm on PeakD.  It's a platform.  You can do whatever the fuck you want with it.  If you don't like long form, don't create long form.  If you expect to earn the same with a tweet as someone who put a solid effort in with the hopes of captivating an audience with a form of content people enjoyed in mass (you know, the things people tweet about sometimes and share links to), *yeah, I don't see how that's going to work.*

Do you not see trend setters?  What is so fucking terrible about "blogging" being something that makes money now (it always did)?  Almost the entire time I've been here I've come across *The Anti-content*.  They'll sell themselves short by saying nothing has value.  That's no different than trying to sell someone a bottle of water by telling them it is piss.  Then they can't figure out why they can't sell any water.

*And yeah, probably solve signups...*

Have a good day, dude.

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@cooperclub ·
have a slice of !PIZZA

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@pizzabot ·
<div class='pull-right'><center><sup>Connect</sup></center><p><a href="https://discord.gg/Q9bQAKpWGS"><img src="https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/pizzabot/AKF96fKjnX3wjXERHcKAFHaoHnfTVhXqPjXVz8E1Th9nPiJqmFtaycosVpPBZ7z.png"></a></p></div><div class='pull-right'><center><sup>Trade</sup></center><p><a href='https://hive-engine.com/?p=market&t=PIZZA'><img src="https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/pizzabot/23sxbi2M4UjELDzQjxPdzubdgfMjHTCtA1xueyxmnhJUrB8136VyK3pqynyWYiZYF9HrC.png"></a></p></div><center><br> <p>@nonameslefttouse! I sent you a slice of <strong><em>$PIZZA</em></strong> on behalf of @cooperclub.</p> <p>Learn more about <strong><em>$PIZZA Token</em></strong> at <a href="https://hive.pizza">hive.pizza</a> <sub>(2/20)</sub></p> </center><div></div>
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@lordbutterfly ·
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Long form content, blogs, is absolutely the content form that is valued the most here. 
Its what earns the most, its what trends, its what we present to the world, its what is seen as pinnacle of quality here, its the basis for our entire value system. 

And im saying that with blogging as the base for everything, youre not going anywhere. 

When we had memes trend, they were massively flagged. Meme dapps destroyed. Dbuzz had to limit its payout to 1 USD because it would get flagged. 

Short form content cannot work in this kind of system with Hive as rewards. For all types of content to thrive you need to move everything to the second layer.

>You can do whatever the fuck you want with it. If you don't like long form, don't create long form.

See, that kind of approach will get us nowhere. A platform about everything is a platform about nothing. 
And you cant do whatever the fuck you want if you want the best possible outcome. Its very clear what kind of content is encouraged here. 
**Twitter was such a success because it knew that encouraging short form content and limiting characters will allow those that dont have time or skill to write articles to be seen and heard. You know who those people are: 
EVERYONE. Thats everyone.**  

On Hive the regular person thats not a writer, blogger doesnt have a sliver of a chance to be seen or heard or rewarded. Because thats not the kind of content Hive encourages. 

And that is the type of content that gets mainstream adoption. I keep on seeing you say that its the creators here that will get their audience to make accounts and then they will comment and interact. 
No one reads articles anymore at any high percentage. **You have tweets from Hivers that get more eyes than articles on high authority domain publications.**

>What is so fucking terrible about "blogging" being something that makes money now 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with blogging if theres equal opportunity and equal treatment for all content forms. There is not right now and there cannot be. **Thats because those two things cannot exist in the same system and under the same set of rules for them both to thrive.** 
Once everything is moved to the second layer, once each content type has its own token and its clearly defined parameters, once theres no need to flag content since Hive wont be used as universal rewards from upvotes then you will have equal opportunity. 

>If you want short form to reign, maybe have a good long look at what I'm doing right now (this comment). See what this is? I can get paid for this.

How has that been working out for you? Id say that ive written about 100x more text in my comments than in my articles and got rewarded about 1000 times less than my posts. 
Youre thinking Reddit now. Id like to see a reddit type platform as well here where its all about comments and comments are "rewarded" equally as are posts. That is absolutely not the case here. 
I would say that if this was Reddit and you wrote this comment there, and it facilitated discussion, it would be seen as equal in value to the post. 
Here. This post will earn $20 and your comment 10% of my upvote (5 cents). And that is almost always the case. 

>Spend years attracting content and neglect attracting consumers for that content.

You will never attract consumers here with this type of sign up process with a bunch of annon hobbyists posting random stuff. 

**Once you allow anyone to set up economies for communities with content form they want, you create possibilities for everyone.** No longer will users feel compelled to write 500 word posts to say something. 

Hell, once that happens, im quitting writing posts and moving to the short form platform. 
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@nonameslefttouse · (edited)
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Dude.  Did you know if you click #meme, you can just add that to your favorites on PeakD (so you see that little star?  click it), then scroll to your hearts desire and see memes (provided those wishing to create memes and share actually tagged it properly which should be common sense)?  Pretty simple.  Literally one click away.

Why not just try some of the buttons we have?  Do you use PeakD?  Pretty solid piece of technology here.  Try this.  https://peakd.com/trending/meme

Click the star.  There's your memes.  You'll never have a problem finding memes now.  Look.  They're even trending.

Could you please try that, then come back and explain what the problem is?  You can do that with every tag you like.  It's so easy, even I figured it out.

[This](https://peakd.com/life/@nonameslefttouse/apparently-this-is-about-golfing-on-mushrooms) and [That](https://peakd.com/life/@nonameslefttouse/please-take-a-moment-to-read-these-instructions).  Those are not blog posts.  It's nothing anywhere near being a blog post.  I don't write that kind of stuff just to piss off people who can't write that kind of stuff.  It's there so people can enjoy it.  And the comment pay has been working out great.  Do you see all those comments under those posts.  I could raise the bar depending on how many come in and pay even more, *but those people are consistently earning on comments.*  I see that often under plenty of posts.  I actually look at the stuff here.  Do you?

I don't really know what you're struggling with.  Those memes that were "trending" that time were not trending.  That was all an illusion.  Paid votes.

How popular is Dbuzz?  Are people not using it because they can't earn $10 per sentence?  How is that even sustainable?  




  



   
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@nonameslefttouse · (edited)
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If you want short form to reign, maybe have a good long look at what I'm doing right now (this comment).  See what this is?  I can get paid for this.  But I certainly wouldn't expect a ten spot.  This is where those folks you're looking for typically spend their time.  Add a share button.  Add the ability to write a shortform comment to go along with a reblog (change that to repost) with a comment section under that and you got your twitter.
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@nonameslefttouse · (edited)
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I'll say it ONE more time.  "Consumers."  This is getting nutty already.  Spend years attracting content and neglect attracting consumers for that content.  Puzzled.  What's wrong?  *"Well.  This isn't working.  Let's get rid of the content and attract consumers now..."*

*I can't handle this...* 

*Have a nice summer, Hive.*
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@xiko ·
LOL....

> 35% clicked on the @ecency "Download Mobile APP".

Gee that's a surprise!
Who would have thought the mobile experience makes so many want to choose it ...

But then nah no way those same users would want some type of built in messaging/contacts system....

Nah nah... SOCIAL is just a hipster word that no one really knows what it even means in THE AGE OF SOCIAL MEDIA.

But yeah bro

> DISCORD..
IF YOU HAVE IT.
DELETE IT..
THAT'S THE MESSAGE AY.


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@lordbutterfly ·
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@xiko ·
lol yeah it is funny because you said my post before was BULLSHIT yet here you went and made your post reiterating:

TWO of the THREE key points that were in that BULLSHIT comment of mine.

> (Mobile App/Onboarding + User Experience through thriving communities delivered to the user via a decent frontend.)

Anyway it's all fun and games. You get paid either way. Credit to you for that really because this is all.. as I said, money schemes/games primarily.

SOCIAL is an unmarketable falsehood.




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