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It's time to look at delegation for profit, too.
Imo.

Selling a vote piecemeal doesn't differ from selling it for month at a time.
It is still vote selling.

We forked those folks out, and all the while the new boss is the same as the old boss.
Why this blind spot exists, I don't know.

> Yes, like Steemit.inc, BUT NOT SHIT.

i think this one is the most important factor

In theory the community could come up with some requirements, i.e. any proposal being funded has to provide weekly updates otherwise the community unvotes the proposal.

So I'm not trying to take your thunder and shill my own [post](https://hive.blog/hive-174578/@cryptoknight12/accountability-needed-for-hive-proposals-governance-series-1)

I absolutely agree. Hive users shouldn't be expected to know the valuation of proposals, we should have a team of experts or "hive auditors" with no interest to the proposal to tell us. They would have their own reputation and be cycled to ensure minimal interest/corruption. There needs to be hive jobs paid by the DHF but first a dev needs to make a working front end to manage the roles.

I had an idea to make a proposal to hire another Howo. I never posted it but would like to share it with you. Are you in Bro chat or on discord?

I have a running list going of other strong hive users who see a huge material weakness in the current system. For me, it means I can't buy much more Hive because I think many new potential stakeholders would see this weakness.

"The devs that can are more often then not friends with the dev whose work is being judged and they dont want their friend to lose money or they have what id call "colleague solidarity" so they keep their mouths shut and focus on their own stuff." this is a sad truth, and way to really call it out! Love it, but these same devs need to understand that they are huge stakeholders too, we're not trying to "shit" on them but it's just an honest truth. They should be all in support of the proposal system.

It's the key to sustainability on hive and it's up to us to make the system not able to be exploited. We can't complain because people exploit the system rather we should encourage that, it shows us the weaknesses and gaps we need to close.

Why is the Blocktrades and Dan's responsibility to do stuff like this.

Can't you do it? 

This is the first post I’ve read in months and I completely agree. Something needs to change.

The fact that Justine just quit Hive says it all...

But to be honest, I consider Hive to be a lost cause.

There are alot of things I agree on with you.

We should focus individual task completion or at least evaluate iterations so funding gets stopped when someone doesn't deliver.

But a centralized team still goes against the idea of the hive ecosystem.

Also... I'm pretty much against a sanction culture. I do feel we as a community need to be better educated about the DAO. Most of us are not even aware of it and that people get paid to do work.

Just wondering. Don't those who get paid have to post regular updates about what they've done with their proposals? I know several devs that consistently do that. That in my opinion is more reasonable than a centralized team. I think both Dan's have made clear that they really believe in a decentralized mindset.

I do want to know how many exchanges Justine has contacted. How many are currently interested and how many exchanges have listed Hive thanks to her work. Based on that we could make a fair assesment. Right now I don't even have a clue, so I can't really judge.

I'm definitely happy you are being critical and Wolf sounded the alarm bells and I'm looking forward to read responses from people that are a little closer to the fire.

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Devs can be also funded by posting weekly reports. What I mean is to influence devs to make more moderate proposals and fill the gap with timesheets.

@theycallmedan and @blocktrades can supervise that or they can hire someone to do so. They have the community influence to support one's reports

>Someone like @blocktrades needs to organize a core dev team that will be funded by the DAO. Their work needs to be supervised, a weekly report of the work done provided on chain and the team needs to have a clear vision and direction.

@blocktrades already has a team of developers working all the time on the core blockchain software. The best thing is that all the work is done on BlockTrade's dime, which is a software company owned by Dan Notestein who ownes the @blocktrades account. (I don't know if there are other partners but Dan Notestein seems to be the CEO of that company). 

@howo has been actively working on the core and he has been putting out regular  updates as well. His proposal is funded as it should be.

Otherwise the DAO falls very, very short of its goals. A better stake distribution is vital in making it work. HIVE is still firmly in shitcoin territory as are nearly all cryptocurrencies. Only a better distribution will take it out of there. 

> The community at large lacks the skill or knowledge to judge dev work

I’ll have to agree. Most people Think hive is just a platform not a protocol. Most people think there are Hive users not owners.

I’m gonna remove my proxy and start voting for Witnesses and DHF proposal myself and update 1st of every month. 

It's okay. I recently got back from my wedding anniversary and didn't really care to bother myself with the drama that you and @therealwolf are stirring up anyway. I know the work I have done and contributed, including the entire working application for the Ledger Nano S (which alone is worth what I received from the DAO).

Let's not forget that pretty much the entire reason Hive came to existence was because of my skills, knowledge, and connections within the witness and developer community to orchestrate the softfork which led to the ultimate hardfork known as Hive.

I have contributed to the HF24 code that was just recently released and now being tested more by members of the community before being sent to exchanges for activation.

Good job, you, and others that can only find the time to complain and be envious, have successfully got my proposals unfunded. I do find it a bit discouraging that @blocktrades removed his support in the midst of the nonsense that you constant complainers are trying to screech about.

I wasn't going around complaining that @blocktrades and team were constantly changing the release schedule at their whim because I understood and knew there was good work being done there and I remained patient. A lot of new bugs were introduced with HF24 on top of multiple new features that are both visible to users and also behind the scenes improvements.

I live in Louisiana and recently went thru Hurricane Laura as well. On top of this, I am currently in the process of moving to Canada (a long process it has been and will be). That being said, I have constantly been spending time listening to feedback and concerns, as well as performing the necessary research prior to starting development of new features.

You may have seen that I made a recent post explaining how I am working on figuring out the architecture that would work well with Hive for supporting Atomic Transfers. It is a lot of work to manage for one person, especially while trying not to be distracted by life in general, let alone all the bitching and whining from members of the community that only bitch and whine.

@therealwolf has always had a negative opinion about me since I suggested his own proposal he had created was overvalued. I expressed my personal opinion to him, using my main account nonetheless, and of course his reaction was negative and angry. Resulting in him ultimately deleting the proposal. I am just one person and I should be allowed to express my opinion and voice as well.

As far as the withdrawals the Bittrex, I personally think the overall markets, both crypto and stocks, are in a euphoric, inflated bubble. There is a global pandemic going on with unemployment at the highest its ever been in the US and hundreds of thousands of deaths within the US alone. As the 2020 elections approach, I decided the smartest option would be to take the crypto I had and pay the bills, and set aside for taxes. Honestly though, what I do with the money is really no one's concern but mine so I definitely felt no desire or need to respond to any accusations about "theft" or anything of the like.

So, to you, aside from the above, there is probably nothing I can say to change your mind or viewpoint of me. Same for @therealwolf, same for @blocktrades, or anyone else. I will continue to work towards the goals I have set forth, proposal or not, and I will continue to campaign for my proposals and sell myself and my skills to the community.

It is each and every person's decision to support a proposal or not. I have no problems with any of that. It is also your right, as an internet citizen on the blockchain, to say and do as you please and spread whatever rumors or claims regarding me that you wish. Maybe you will convince a lot of people. If people follow nonsense and don't take time to do their own research then it is near impossible to reason with them anyway.

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I found out recently that I need to create a working video demonstration of using the Legder Nano S with a wallet and a how-to guide to get the Ledger app submission finished. So I will continue to work towards that, possibly with slightly less haste than previously, regardless of what you or anyone else thinks I am doing.

By the way, I think I recall that it was you that memed my profile picture? I actually liked the meme. It was well done.

The current features in place guarantee gaming, but no one cares. They won't until the pot is empty...

Huge changes are needed, which will require a long-term  conversation on platform. I hope it happens, because currently We have an Oligarchy scratching backs. This goes against any claim of Decentralization and must change. 

I think this will require changes to most of Hive algorithms, including but not limited to the rep and vote value features.

I bet the dust you've kicked up  with this post will die down again to a deafening silence for a few months again. This happens everytime real issues that need addressing comes up.

That's true, she took the money and went off haha, funny thing. 
I will readjust my votes NOW and I hope big guys will do the same. I don't care what someone did 6 months ago...
No wonder we can't manage to get people interested. Frustrating as fuck.

Not to even mention the struggle @dapplr team had to go through in order to get their product funded...

Thanks for speaking up
Community leaders could inform and educate their members about issues like this and work together to hash out action that would address the problems.
That could be a more decentralized approach.

You have made a very good point. I was not aware that Justine left HIVE. Saying that, I don't know the particulars. We saw DLive do the same thing some time back in our *old neighborhood* after being funded by the STEEMIT.COM ninja-mined accounts.
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Although I am not a big fan of *centralization*, something does need to be done. Many HIVE folks are apathetic towards voting proposals from the DAO and also do not do the required research into the proposals and those submitting those proposals if they do vote. We have the same problem with block-producer/witness voting. At times it becomes more of a personality contest.
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This topic effects all of the HIVE Community regardless of their amount of stake. Like most social constructs, 10% of folks make a difference the other 90% are just around for the *ride* and are too self-absorbed to even take an interest. Sadly, at times, I am one of those people (the 90%).
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One of the first proposals I voted was the [Return Proposal](https://peakd.com/steemdao/@gtg/steemdao) by @gtg. The proposal made sense to me ensuring that only proposals with a great deal of support would receive funding.
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Some will remember **The Foundation** that was put together back when we were on STEEM that had community elected representatives to look at funding of proposals. Many of the *board members* were very active and trusted members of the STEEM Community. Would something like this work? I would suggest that any person that has a proposal, be it pending or funded, be unqualified for membership to such a **DAO Regulatory Board/Foundation** due to the possibility of there being an unethical conflict of interest.
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I do not have all the answers and defer to those like yourself that are much more knowledgeable on these matters. I salute you for taking an active interest and having the courage to share your thoughts as well as possible solutions to an ongoing problem.