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· @lucylin ·
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A reply to @Whatsup ... and allowing bad ideas to proliferate...
What started out as reply, kinda turned into post - One that is relevant. 
So I  made it into post.

Everything  that @whatsup said was pretty  accurate, which is fine if you're focusing on the small picture.

NONE of my posts are focusing on the small picture.
Hive was the  acting as 'the petri dish' of a social experiment.
A successful experiment (unfortunately).

You can read her entire comment in  here...
https://peakd.com/hive-150329/@lucylin/proof-of-no-brain-is-exposed-by-using-the-having-skin-in-the-game-as-a-valid-argument



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Here's the reply....
@whatsup...

You miss my point entirely.
As I've said (many times) - I am _intentionally_ framing HIVE as _the_ ecosystem. 
***Not 'a' ecosystem...  _'The'_ ecosystem***.

That being the case (i.e there is 'nowhere else to go' in this thought experiment),  the ecosystem is a tyrannical one.

Now, imagine if the DPoS ideology and system was suddenly transposed to _actually cover_ the entire world.

Would you like your children and grandchildren to live under this system ? (90% being of 'the peasant class' and under the non judicial, and totally  arbitrary decision making of 'our lords and masters'- large stakeholders).

No...rule...of...law...(laws being the manifestation of societies moral codes).

As part of  experiment, I then railed against 'the system' to illustrate the weaknesses inherent in it. 
It's not that very different than feudalism of the middle ages.
No 'law', just arbitrary decisions based on who has 'the power'.

So.... continuing with this thought experiment...I then decided to speak out about it, pointing out the qualities of DPoS.

The results are very, very clear. 
This is no different to how 'dissent' was dealt with any 'uprisings'. 
No different.

Think about it...
***I am one person*** in , say, 4000 users on Hive... and just look at 'the power' that has descended upon ***the single voice of dissent***.

_If you cannot see this, I really don't know what to say_.

So yes, believe it or not, I _do_ understand how it all works.
And 'Opt in' only applies if their is somewhere else to go. 


###### Would you like your  children to be have no other option but a mandatory 'opting in'. (think the USSR)
....And if they spoke out?   
They were victimized just because they didn't have  'power?'

DPoS is the modern version of a 800 year old system.
I think modern day feudalism is NOT the way to go.


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My experiment illustrated this perfectly.

The lack of growth over 4 years, and the abysmal retention rates show quite clearly how many people wish to 'opt in' and how many _do not_ wish to.
_(...and yeah,I think that the current marketing campaign will not yield  results,  as a result of this - and not because the marketeers are not doing their job.... 'Lipstick on a pig', and all that..)_

##### Morals (integrity being a part of that), are human qualities.
Social structures _require_ a moral framework to function properly...
_We are moral beings_.

We have 'free' societies _because_ we are moral beings - and use law to enforce these morals codes.

DPoS (feudalism - you get paid for producing and pleasing your masters) is without moral code.
DPoS _encourages_ the mindset of non moral actions. 
Might is right.
***This is a regressive mindset*** - not some new, 'modern economy' model.
The system will not endure. 
History tells us this to be so - over and over again - this is not my hypothesis, it's verifiable.

My framing of DpoS was intentional - so as to isolate it, and in doing so, raise  the much broader  issues that I was trying bring up.
For clarities sake, isolating Hive and using it as 'the ecosystem' worked . 
##### _***Principals scale up***_.

My point was to show (through action) the reality of the structure - which couldn't have been  illustrated better - or any clearer - than if I'd actually paid someone to do it!
(which I suppose I _did_ pay for -  if you calculate in the downvoting)

###### Bad ideas can grow if they are not challenged.

Imagine DPoS - as _the_ accepted system of running things.
It's a ***bad idea***.. (feudalism, tyranny, etc)

Now ....imagine it going totally unchallenged, and it resulted in your children growing up under such a system - Simply _because it was allowed to go unchallenged and grow_ .
(no 'opt in' option, not in this 'brave new world').

#### This was never anything to do with Hive.
 
Only the reactive, brain dead, avaricious people at the top, see it this way. 
Why?...
Because my criticisms brought out the philosophical truths, and the lack of moral responsibility... ('evil', being the lack of moral responsibility).

This was an experiment in a controlled environment.
Hive being that environment.

An experiment that has - unfortunately - returned the results that I fully expected. 
#### All now fully observable,  through _actions_ - for the world to see.

#### This was never about hive - it was far more important.

This was _all_ about seeing the dangers of letting a bad idea proliferate.

###### Blockchain has such fantastic potential - Something can can change the world for the better.
DPoS  as a 'new model' or 'economic system', or 'system of governance'  - is not fulfilling that potential.
The weaknesses of it are now glaringly obvious to anyone with any moral code and an IQ over 94.

#### I wasn't joking when I said 'parents who support DPoS as a system, support the enslavement of their own future generations'.

I don't have kids, just a granddaughter - not even genetically connected - _but I'll be fucked if I'll _ever_ be silenced - and let her be a slave to the very same type of low IQ, morally bankrupt  moron wankers, who just _loooove_ to  exhibit their power over others on here_....


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By not 'standing up'  and instead,  sucking up to the said (sad) morons, it's _endorsing this system_. 
Either through silence, or support.
_I have emails from users on here supporting my stance, but too afraid to speak up from fear of retribution..How twisted is that in an 'opt in' system? ..A culture of fear in a voluntary system? Seriously? It's absurd_.

#### It's a system that I would hate for my grandchild to be forced into.

It's a disgusting thought.

##### Just imagine if the low IQ brain cancer of marxism, was held in check  in the early days...
No USSR, and holmodors and 30 million corpses. 
No 100 million Chinese deaths. 
No Cambodia with - with nearly A QUARTER of it's population exterminated.
### ....yeah - they were all someone's kids, to...

###### ... all because of bad ideas not being held in check...

I hope this clarifies my position.


This has nothing to do with Hive, and all to do with allowing bad ideas to go unchallenged.
Bad ideas going unchecked  + the butterfly effect = misery for future generations.

Some people can turn a blind eye to moral wrongs in the name of avarice, greed, and power -   and fuck the future generations prosperity. 
_The type of people with that kind of 'nasgul  mindset', who lack of any moral responsibility, and who have no ability to see the bigger  picture_  are my  adversaries....bless.

###### I'm not - nor will ever be -  one of those people.

...How's Mr Whatsup doing nowadays, btw? -  Good, I hope !


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@antisocialist ·
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##  Support the 15htu vote limit!
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@anthonyadavisii ·
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Interesting proposal. Would like to think it through to it's logical conclusions  particularly implications towards combating legitimate abuses. 🤔
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@antisocialist ·
It will definitely help mitigate the concentration of stake with the earliest adopters.

If nobody votes votes larger than 15htu the spread on the pool should look real nice to everybody else.

Instead we got folks still fighting the bad whale despite his having swum off.
'If we don't do what he is doing his abuse will get him even more rewards.'
You remember, you were here.

Well, he's gone, when do they stop abusing us?
Ganging up to increase rewards is abusive to everybody that doesn't join in.
I can't wait for the day those folks get sent packing.
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@lucylin ·
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Moral responsibility , not rules - I'm not a commie - process comes  after morals. (see DPoS)
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@antisocialist ·
I think it was the volume that got to them.
You were tagging top 10% rewards for bashing whales that no longer hold the majority of the coin, at least not in whale accounts.

The hive will be what we make of it.
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@pinkeye ·
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must have been some fake lightening no way he could dodge that. 

zues shooting?
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@antisocialist ·
When the gods have your number there isn't much you can do.
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@bobthebuilder2 ·
What I've understood you to say is that we have an oligarchy on our hands. Wikipedia is the bathroom walls of the world, and in the stall I stood in, I read,
> A business group might be defined as an oligarchy if it satisfies all of the following conditions:
> - Owners are the largest private owners in the country.
> - It possesses sufficient political power to promote its own interests.
> - Owners control multiple businesses, which intensively coordinate their activities.
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy

I agree with the sentiment in the post. The Hive is a very small community as I've come to find out. I had figured it had grown substantially from SteemIt offshoots years ago. With only thousands in our ranks, it makes me realize how close we are to the early days of bitcoin in terms of what we're hoping to accomplish-or what I think we collectively want to accomplish-a space where ideas that are valuable are rewarded and ones which aren't valuable are ignored. When I saw the rich list for POB, it made me want to stake POB as fast as possible. As I understand it, the more people there are on the platform, the less value the votes will become as the payout will be diminished. Perhaps I'm wrong...but I can say that when I post a video on 3speak and I get 1 view after a week, and I've done this with a few videos as test cases, it makes me feel like we are very much a tiny baby just born in the world of ideas. For Hive to be worthwhile, it will need to spread to vastly larger audiences. 

If the number of minnows get large enough, a whale can be taken down. I agree with the idea you gave of the ants and the elephant. I keep a very large painting of an elephant in my YouTube studio to remind me how to overcome most anything...one bite at a time...



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@eturnerx ·
Thought provoking stuff as always. The only power the minnow has is to walk away. Our liberal democracies only function because basic human rights protect against the worst excesses of the powerful. There are no courts on dPoS.
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@lucylin ·
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Cheers matey !

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@lucylin ·
....think outside of the box a little  more...there's _loads_  'we' can do.....watch this space ....

The ant does not bring down an elephant...but yet they still feast on the carcass...(that's a metaphor!lol)



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@pinkeye ·
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Let the of thrones begin

How azircon feels now is probably close to what feeling empty is. Sociopaths are incapable of feeling but they are sure good mimics. I wonder what kind of sick shit will set this fucker off to travel to an account and fuck them up. simply because he believes he can. so he does.

My take on crypto, on how they will implement take over of its stake from the masses. 

They are already doing it. Depopulation is a great tactic to cause inflation on crypto after a time. How many wallets filled with crypto. just.. "Burned". 

Currently they can't do nothing. yet, if we let them that is. 

The globalists of this world are already cutting out the strings of life. 

And we know who in this community would be more than willing to follow their agenda, so long as they keep their steak stronger than the others. People like azircon become the biased police force over social media meanwhile outside the computer screens we have the NWO police. Forcing our door down because we said too much on hive. "Honorably reported by azircunt and his teammates. his fraternity fuck buddies im sure.

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Let the games begin then. If we have any chance at overthrowing the globalist we have to get rid of certain leaches on the social level, at least until they start shelling over mortars over our homes.

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@whatsup · (edited)
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TL:DR - Yeah they can be jerks, and I am not letting them adopt my kids.

lol, Oh Lucylin, But if your argument is based on a fictional inescapable world, well of course it can be what ever you want it to be.  You win hands down.

It's impossible for me to enter into the idea that this is something I need to rail against as everywhere in life there are unfair situations, bullies, and pecking orders that are either based on money, strength, skills, influence etc.   and I don't feel responsible to fix others or set them straight.  In fact once I've learned that a person or group is resistant to hearing opposing ideas or having a discussion, I rarely feel any desire or need to speak with them at all.  I don't like beating my head against the wall either.


If my kids or grand kids were in a society like the one you speak of and couldn't escape I hope they would have enough savvy to not commit suicide or to rush at armed Guards swinging a sword.  I would rather they find ways to live a successful happy life with the cards they were dealt and working on solutions, in fact, here in the US, sometimes it feels like we've been dealt exactly that.

I disagree with some of the actions and inaction of the stakeholders too, but also based on the potential of the project when it started, I think the price and their own disdain of the project they are holders in is their reward. If they make bad choices and as you pointed out, the project doesn't grow they have gotten what they deserve.  If they make excellent choices they will likely also get what they deserve.

I have 99 problems and Hive Whales aren't one.

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Mr. Whatsup

Joe is doing really well.  He went from the oncologist saying he'll never be off of chemo to No Evidence of Disease, (NED) He's been off Chemo since end of November, 2020, and labs and tests are still clear.  However, the Chemo and Radiation were really tough on him and left him with some other health issues, like a bad thyroid and low blood pressure, lack of appetite he still has days he doesn't feel well and has low energy, there is constant, but slow improvement.   his scans are clear, his energy is slowly coming back, his hair has mostly returned and I am so thankful to have more time.  

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Lucylin, keep railing against the man.  That's what you do, and I wasn't following the whole thread of posts.  I still enjoy crypto and it's ups and downs, and I enjoy many I've met here, that's why I am still here.  You have clearly gotten under their skin, if I had migrated dRAMA and the DRAMA token over here it would be more fun.

I sincerely doubt they will see your point, but they will also likely get bored of downvoting you at some point also.  :)  
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@azircon ·
No. We have downvoted KC for 1 year straight. Downvoted heijin for now what... 3 years, and these people actually had stake.
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@whatsup ·
Well in both of those cases the subject was doing something worthy of being downvoted for.  :)  
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@lucylin ·
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_lol, Oh Lucylin, But if your argument is based on a fictional inescapable world, well of course it can be what every you want it to be. You win hands down_.


Oh, do pay attention!.
My arguments _are_ philosophical ones. They are all conceptual until applied !

To test the argument - called 'the hypothesis' - you have enter into  a procedure called _an experiment_...
The results of  _the experiment_, test the _hypothesis_.

Are you following so far..? (I do hope I sound condescending enough! lol)

The hypothesis is proven by the experiment.
(...there was no need for the experiment - I knew the results, my logic is sound).
What I _didn't_ have  was an observable result 'in action' (good  material for upcoming project).

Do I need go on anymore, _really_? (sorry hun/mister Whatsup - I couldn't help myself ! )

So I baited the hook, and the NCP's came a nibbling - providing me with much more material than I'd ever hoped for!

The most interesting thing is that no  big whales  didn't see what was going on, and let the NCP's know they were being played (some whales _must_ have brains, ...surely ?).

All they were doing  was creating an extremely ugly show for the world to observe, and only detrimental for platform going forwards.... And _still_,  they keep going! lmao..
(do I need to tell them it's all the blockchain - forever ? lol)

It's now becoming tragically hilarious - I'd be  embarrassed to be  proudly  showing off my lack of basic understanding of things....day... after day...after day...after day...lol
_The  lack of basic understanding of  basic strategic reasoning astonishes me, tbh - I wasn't exactly being subtle in my ploy - it was all very transparent.
_I_ was very transparent,  from early on.
This really does raise some worrying questions regarding the  _'is there any kind of competency - at all - going on in this place ?'_ ...'cos I'm struggling to find it.



I have zero problems  , which means that I  also have the luxury - and time - to address bigger philosophical issues, in the hope that they have some effect (_any_ would be nice ! lol). 

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> _I sincerely doubt they will see your point, but they will also likely get bored of downvoting you at some point also. :)_

Never expect a man to understand  your points  - even logical truths - not when his wages/cryptofuture/hopium dreams, depend very much on him on him NOT understanding  it...

They know my points are valid - that's the very reason for all the piling on from all the big accounts - I'm drawing back the curtain.

Fortunately for me, I've  power hungry morons full of hubris, and little IQ,  putting on a dance show for the rest of the world to see ! (bonus!) lolol...
...and they think that they're being clever - that's the funniest part..lol...rage  has just _no_ imagination! ...bless...lol

I thought the boredom thing would kick in as well  - until I realized that evil is being _properly hurt_ , by listening to truths. 
....no I'm not religious, per se - but when you frame it as an 'evil v good' thing - their non stop tenacity, vindictiveness, and downright toxicity  make much more sense. 

Truth is painful, to evil. (Evil = lack of moral responsibility)

Really glad to hear that things are picking up for you guys !!!...
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