> Exclude accounts who voted a minimum of two sockpuppets and who didn't unvote before the hive announcement with more than 1k sp

that's fair. play stupid games win stupid prizes

Ewwwww. Wow. All the blocked accounts....ok.  And the funds will go into the HIVE DAO? 

You guys do realize this makes it look even more like it is more about control right? 

You effectively end up in the same situation as Steemit Inc by taking their ninja mine and other people's stake as well and putting it in a system you control to feed yourself further. 

The core group will be the ones to benefit from the DOA. 

It is just the same circle jerk from a few months ago on a new chain. 

I'm not opposed to another platform. I will post to both but I really haven't seen a lot about how this will be any different than STEEM from a couple months ago.

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Yeah I don't think it's fair my account @coininstant and my other account @honusurf were excluded. I voted for both sides because I had no idea what was going on, so I split up my votes to stay impartial.

I like decentralization, that's why I came to the blockchain.

I just don't think it's fair that everyone else gets coins but me I will definitely have to leave steemit too now. It's like playing a board game like monopoly and everyone else gets extra money but you, it's uneven and I'm going back to any coin but these. I quit both HIVE and STEEMIT over this!!

If you can please get me my airdrop coins.

Thanks!

> if any of the excluded accounts feel they were improperly treated, they can submit a proposal on the Hive chain to have Hive funds equal to their Steem funds at the time of the fork distributed to them. Of course, those with Hive tokens would have to agree and support their proposal (which I find very unlikely), but it does, at least, create an opportunity for them if that's the right path forward.

I'd vote for a proposal to return all funds to users that were not SINMS funds. How many tokens is this anyway? I imagine it's a relatively minor amount of tokens, but creates a large perceptual impurity in the new chain. We shouldn't be taking tokens from those we disagree with. 

Holy wow! I didn't think there would be anywhere near that many accounts on the list. I was expecting the StInc accounts, the new sock puppets, (maybe) proxy.token, and (maybe) the exchanges involved.

300 accounts not getting the airdrop for their voting (besides the actual StInc stake) seems excessive. Any chance some of that conversation is "on the record?" I would love to hear the reasons for such a broad-sweeping approach.

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this is big! okay, as a user that was not so active lately, I have some questions: what UI does Hive have?

Never mind, I realized later it was in the post itself [hive.io](https://hive.io/)

I see steemchiller on the list. Is that not the person running steemworld? A valued member of the community and has been here the whole time helping the community. There is well over 300 people on the list even though I though the puppets only had about 70 votes each. 

Can I check the list which will be excluded 
Is Their a specific link

koreans are talking about taking over (using justin's votes) and freezing funds 🤣
steem will be broken 100%

https://steempeak.com/hive-101145/@kopasi/this-is-called-the-hive-airdrop-exclusion-list-hive
https://steempeak.com/hive-101145/@jayplayco/49gkl6-steemit

it's noble that you'll keep running your node cuz you might be the last one out. respect. 

Luke, is there any way to implement referendums in Hive in the future so all users with stake can give their opinion upon critical decisions the witnesses go through?. Even if it is not binding, it would be valuable for the community, starting a new blockchain with "issues" as who has the right to get the airdrop is important enough to ask all the stake owners.
Thanks for the update

This post is simply evidence among other things that someone voting or not voting doesn’t entirely indicate their intention of support. And further evidence that decentralization is a grander issue than vote or no vote. People vote for a variety of reasons, not only to support something. Now because I vote for one reason only, doesn’t mean that I will conclude that a large expanse of people from all walks of life, must have voted for that same reason. While people may hurriedly say that ah, most people are here for rewards for instance, well, people, to gain insight in to the true state of the world (steem as cctv) or to sandbox a dream. 

People can vote or not vote or interchange vote over the course of time to weigh matters and perhaps give room for decentralization to ensue. It can’t be concluded that people only vote to support something. Same as for instance, you ‘would stay on steem to support the chain’ in this case, will not have enough context (just courtesy of you having ran 22.1) without your post explanation here. meaning that I can’t be conclusive as to your intentions for staying on steem solely because you have chosen to run 22.1. And well, even if you didn’t explain in a post your decision and just ran 22.1, who will I have been to say that your decision is poor or right.

If there was perhaps a voting system and a small poll posed to ‘gather intention’ (which is easier to automately measure than say a small box where people needed to state their intention), then perhaps that gives a more factual basis for a more decentralized decision-making than recount votes or who doesn’t as a measure of support or otherwise. Vote by itself may not entirely carry intention, reason why in some cases people come out with an entire post for context sake, be it a witness vote or even a post vote (in many cases, downvotes). I for instance vote for many other reasons besides reward-distribution or content-visibility or to display support for something. I could vote to stir a stimuli to get unadulterated feedback or vote provisionally to weigh matters or not vote or interchange vote cos I am trying to fix the real life, one could vote to play with the button or see how blockchain reacts etc. 

Amongst other things, people voting Sun directly or indirectly (in some cases through a proxy decision) doesn’t necessarily mean that they support centralization, they can have voted for a variety of other reasons; it could also mean that they want to exercise a right at the very least, which is where a grand meaning of decentralization comes in. 

Altogether, votes alone isn’t parameter enough for conclusions when it comes giant decision-making involving a large community for it only carries a measure of facts. 

Where it is only vote we have, that is where the community at large comes in for discussion sake. That we have a blockchain that offers vote should relegate the role of humans, else the blockchain would have been perfect from the outset. That witnesses have been voted in, shouldn’t relegate discussions. Altogether, discussions are needed for the evolution onto decentralization. A variety of reaction and interaction and a balance or eventually compromise is how decentralization comes about and it takes time. Even for hurried decision-making where the witnesses have to take a leadership, the unheld discussion can still be held even where it results in reverting decision, else it may come up later with more detrimental impact. Vote alone is a very simple action. It can’t by itself form the base for world impacting decisions e.g attaining centralization cos vote by itself can highlight context. Same as a yes can mean no underlying, where there is no way to relate context. Same as one can easily be cajoled into saying ‘a simple yes’ compared to an entire sentence.

 Humans should be able to exercises these things at least even if to stir further discussion tangible for the evolution of decentralization and be allowed room to do so. Now their decision-making and mentality on a subject could change over the course of time, which is proven on steem (many arrived on steem and adjusted their decision or mentality on a subject courtesy of the beauty of steem). A decision today may not be same tomorrow and that is where the beauty of blockchain comes in, not as a small god-code to curb humans, but as a tool to play out a curriculum that adjusts mentality. Many of these things should be discussable. People shouldn’t entertain fears of discussing these things, cos these discussions and measure of freedom to react or interact is what leads on to decentralization. Decentralization isn’t a very old concept, people need to grow into it and be given room to do so. Even where witnesses are elected, doesn’t relegate the role of the community at large in these discussions, cos votes isn’t an entire indication of support. Vote in itself can mean many things. 

Altogether, humans who have steem are to a measure of extent or even to a large extent according to me, community members. I am not one to bash anyone for having a say.

I know nothing about codes and find it a pity I read a post again that is mainly meant for insiders, those who understand all about it. 
What I learned here in the past year is that no one can be trust,those who rule do so to fill their own wallets/lockets and do not care about any society only downvote the threats. 
Many lefts which was long before Sun took over and in the past year, it was a certain group that earned the rest was fought. I learned that this is not an easy, warm, welcoming place to be for newbies. It isn't user friendly, the communication is bad and there is no engagement at all no matter what you try. It is a place to post quickly and earn and leave. Those who earn are mainly the rich ones the rest doesn't count. I learned there's no freedom of speech. People who think differently or don't know are treated as if they are fools and hostility is their reward. I learned too that it's a mobile user only unfriendly place to be. If you are limited by a slow connection you do not count and probably never will. It's 2020... It's not that long ago people thought it was far in the future and we would live such a modern life. 
With my slow connection I can hardly load google and sites and posting is impossible. Might be this is a goodbye or I stay where I am. I wish you good luck. 💕