<center></center> I am not a gun expert. This past weekend my family traveled to West Virginia from my home in Indiana to visit my wife’s father and his wife. While we were there another relative arrived. He, on the other hand, knows a lot about firearms. He knew that I was a Libertarian and that the Libertarian Party supports the right to bear arms. His intention was to shoot with us. After unloading his 7 firearms, and I have no idea how much ammunition, he, my wife and I set out for a good time target shooting. It became clear very quickly that, though we support gun ownership, we were completely clueless to the weapons themselves. This whole experience inspired me to write this post. I think that the conversation about firearms needs to be put into perspective. My support for the right to self-defense has nothing to do with a love of weapons or even the want to be prepared; it has to do with my understanding of Natural Rights. <center></center> Those who have read any of the things I have written either for me or for my friend Adam Kokesh, know that much of my philosophy is founded in an understanding of history. I have studied lots of figures in the past who have impacted the present Freedom Movement. My love of these figures started with Thomas Jefferson and led me to first Thomas Paine and then to John Locke. Locke’s philosophy on government was founded in the belief in Natural Rights. He talked about many of these rights but what is important for this particular post is his opinions on property. Yes, weapons are property, but it is more important that they give the individual a means to protect his property. Many people argue that criminals can be deterred by a weapon. Though that certainly is true, the true criminals that are prevented from taking your property are those in the halls of government. <center></center> Thomas Jefferson said, “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear their government, there is tyranny.” The right to bear arms is not and never has been about hunting or preventing your neighbor from stealing your stuff. It is about making it clear to the forces of violence, namely the state, that we as individuals will maintain our property including our other rights of speech, the right to assemble, or more importantly the rights to the most important piece of property, the right to self-ownership. Because the above sentence includes things covered in the Bill of Rights, I feel as though I need to clarify. Rights do not come from government or any document. The purpose of the first ten amendments was an attempt to protect those rights and restrain government. Many people talk about gun rights in terms of the 2nd amendment. I do not. The Constitution of this country was groundbreaking when it was adopted and it certainly shows a step forward towards a truly free society when compared to the other governments of the time. That being said it is still a document which enshrines force and coercion. It has shown to be ineffective to protect the sovereignty of the individual. The 2nd amendment is one of the best proofs of this failure. The wording of it is pretty simple. “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” <center></center> I want to quickly take that apart. The first word that gives us trouble is militia. Because the meaning of words change over time, many lawyers have used that word to argue that what was intended was some sort of police force or worse the National Guard. James Madison, the author of the Constitution, defined militia in Federalist 46. His definition was “citizens with arms in their hands.” This definition seems pretty simple. The next issue I have is “free State.” Governments are in the business of controlling your actions, so the idea of an individual being free while also being controlled by a small group of individuals through the use or threat of violence does not make sense. It is my belief that the intent of “free State,” was in comparison to the other countries around the world. Most of these “States” were certainly despotic by comparison so I accept that the government talked about in the 2nd amendment was a freer State. The most important part of this small statement is the last four words “shall not be infringed.” The definitions that Google gives for the word infringe are- 1. Actively break the terms (a law, agreement, ect.) 2. Act so as to limit or undermine (something), encroach on. Either definition implies that there cannot lawfully be ANY gun laws. Compare that to the reality in this country. This is the response you get when you ask Google, 20,000. This is taken from an article from Quora. The real answer is no one knows because the amount of gun laws from the federal government to each local government is too numerous to count, so much for “shall not be infringed.” My point in writing this post is not to convince anyone of the lack of the validity of gun laws or even the Constitution. What I hope to accomplish is to show that you do not have to understand how to take apart a weapon, or use the right terminology when describing your support of gun rights. To properly understand this right is as I stated in the beginning. Without our right to self-defense all other rights will be trampled over by any government. They will have nothing stopping them from forcing you to submit to whatever measure they wish to take. Ron Paul, in Liberty Defined, says, “Tyrants from Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens, for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control.” Judge Andrew Napolitano in his book “It is Dangerous to Be Right, When the Government is Wrong,” continues this idea. He says, “In modern society, where the natural law has been perverted, we have permitted the government to monopolize violence and coercion. This has resulted in our sheep-like acceptance of the theft of property, liberty, and dignity by the government.” I think that this quote from Adam Kokesh in his book Freedom states the need to protect this right best. “Everything governments demand we do or not do is backed up with, ‘Or else police with guns will come and lock you in a cage.' If we all had guns, and governments didn’t have any, this racket wouldn’t work. Governments have an interest in keeping us dependant on their protection rackets, but a police officer will never provide better protection than effective self-defense.” I can understand these simple concepts even if I sometimes slip up and call a magazine a clip, or hold the rifle wrong. As Libertarians, believe it or not, we may not always know everything but we try to adhere to our principles of opposing force and violence. We also leave the choices whether to own a gun to the individual who owns him or herself. Oh, and shooting those guns was fun. I think I am going to buy anFN P90, both my wife and I enjoyed it the most. <center></center> <center></center>
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Coming from a gun-controlled country I can see that in the US people have given up so much about their right to bear arms. And I agree with you, it doesn't come from government, it's a natural right and shouldn't be ruled by any legislation or regulation whatsoever, no permits and such.
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natural rights don't really exist but in the minds of some philosophers, try arguing you have a natural right in court sometime. The proof is that the vast majority of people on earth don't have any of the rights we consider to be natural rights, there is no where else on Earth with both a right to bear arms and a real right to free speech. People have only the rights that their governments actually protect. For most people in most countries that means that their rights are shit. It's important to remember that the 2nd amendment is a restriction on the federal government, you may want to check your state constitution to see if it also has a right to bear arms. Most do.
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You are deluded. Your rights come from the self-evident truth that you own yourself. That is nature. You are the monarch of your thoughts, emotions, and actions. Each man owns himself, therefore any claim of ownership over another human being is immoral and a gross violation of natural law. That's the reason we're in this mess in the first place, because people are ignorant of Natural Law. Continuing to disobey these natural laws will inevitably result in the self-destruction of our species.
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>Each man owns himself, therefore any claim of ownership over another human being is immoral and a gross violation of natural law. There you have it, billions of people are not remotely free despite natural law, natural law, like any other law, only matters to the extent it is enforced, who enforces natural law? Throughout most of human history most people were slaves, not tax slaves or wage slaves, they were slave slaves, and we seem to have avoided self destruction thus far. Only a lucky few have enjoyed the rights that Americans enjoy.
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GREAT POST!!! Nice guns too. You're a pretty good shot. 
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Thanks
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Very good posts, hopefully you can always be successful in the esteem business
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Off topic: https://youtu.be/2UgIhbdOxGs
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In Bhagavad-gītā, God says we have the right to perform our prescribed duties, and that's all. Whatever else we deserve will come on its own accord.
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I always like it when I come across a rational and reasonable discussion of this issue, absent the usual mob who can't get beyond stomping their feet while shouting *"my rights, my rights, my RIGHTS!"* The sticking point for me is typically a moral-ethical-philosophical-values one: When — if ever — does ANY human being have the "right" to be judge, jury and summary executioner in the taking of another human being's life? That's not a political question; it's a question of how a person — absent affiliations to politics and religion — feels about what we might call "the sanctity of life." It doesn't matter to me whether someone calls themselves a "liberal" or "alt. right" or "libertarian" or "anarchist;" the question is posed at a completely HUMAN level. "Freedom" can be a slippery slope; the moment we make a declarative statement such as "Freedom is ________" we've created a "box," with ourselves in it. Meanwhile, someone *else's* "freedom box" may be quite different from ours... so whose freedom box "wins" the day? One might argue *"those with the bigger guns!"* That might be, but does that not invite a descent into chaos? I have no significant "skin" in this argument, merely curiosity and questions. Bright Blessings!
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>When — if ever — does ANY human being have the "right" to be judge, jury and summary executioner in the taking of another human being's life? that's easy, when defending themselves or others from a physical threat. Except of course they are not any of the people you listed, "execution" is being legally killed by the state, not an individual.
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I agree, taking someone else's life should always be avoided. The only exception I make is in the protection of life. According to Locke it violates natural law to do so. That being said he also points out that by violating that natural law, you forfeit your own protection. Now that is time sensitive. If someone is in the process of killing someone it would be lawful to protect them or yourself by defending yourself up to and including killing them, but if they leave the scene and you track them down and kill them that would not be lawful. As for Freedom, the definition I like is - The state one is in where no one is forcing their will upon the individual.
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what one person is forcing their will on the individual in the US?
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If you track down and kill someone who has actively attempted to murder you/is an imminent threat to you or your family, this is not unlawful in view of individual self-ownership.
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This is an old post, but I would still like to make a reply to your comment. I will state that I am very much a 2nd Amendment supporter. Outside of shooting someone in an official capacity (Military, Police etc.), yes I did leave out Militia because that gets into a very political aspect of what each person considers what is right and what is wrong. I personally don't look at it from the stand point of being Judge, Jury and Executioner. The reason I don't is that the combination of those 3 terms implies very much forethought in the action of killing someone. So from the perspective of a civilian killing another person, this should only be done in Defense of Self, Family or Others (which in any scenario I can think of) this would happen in a spur of the moment type of situation i.e. someone breaks into home, someone pulls a gun on me etc. These scenarios would not be preplanned from my side, therefore there is no forethought of any action taken beyond the mere seconds or few minutes of the scenario. There was a reply about tracking someone down that has actively tried to harm you or your family, to me this is very tricky because I have always believed that the best offense is a good defense, so ignoring the legality portion, morally I would prefer to exhaust all options before resorting to such a drastic measure (though I could never rule it out). Which, by the way, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that this would be the 1 scenario which would become Judge, Jury and Executioner. Now in regards to the sanctity of life part of your reply, I personally would prefer to never take a life, BUT I will not sacrifice mine or others (close to me) to avoid doing so. Also, if there is ever a situation where I would mount a defense, I believe in doing it full force. I have heard people state in the past that they would aim for an arm or a leg to wound not kill. To me attempting to wound versus kill leaves the person defending themselves in just as much danger (the threat must be completely neutralized)!
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