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Are you selling your idle vote power through a service? If so, you should periodically review what you're voting on. Do your part. by matt-a

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· @matt-a · (edited)
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Are you selling your idle vote power through a service? If so, you should periodically review what you're voting on. Do your part.
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Hello, Steem world.

As we focus on other things in life, we have idle vote power here on the Steem platform.  Idle vote power is just that, idle; potential influence that isn't influencing anything.  To me, that's wasteful and isn't helping our little machine here tick.  We come up against issues such as abuse and people trying to "milk the system," which sucks!  I think that we can all agree on that. 

So what do we have now, in this day and age of Steem?  Services that allow your influence (vote power) to be purchased and aimed at whatever someone wants to target.  Services that do not require delegation to another entity but allows you to sell your vote (which grants you the ability to retract that vote if you want to).  *You still get to have that element of control.*

If your stake is used to vote/influence something that you personally do not want to support for any reason, you can retract that vote (unvote), and I think that you should!  But of course, use discretion when doing so, someone just paid for that vote.

What I'm getting at is the trending page is pretty garbage at the moment and we need to do something about it, we need to be proactive.  We have a lot of people half-assing posts and paying themselves fat, which affects the trending page in a bad way, let alone the rewards pool that attracts us all here.

### If you're selling your votes, you should go and see what your stake is voting on. If it votes for what you perceive as garbage, UNVOTE IT.


Sure, this may raise the moral dilemma of "well, they paid for it so you shouldn't unvote it."  Well, yeah, they paid for it, but we also have the ability to think something sucks and isn't worth $500.  Un-voting overpaid garbage content helps balance the reward pool and at the same time, helps reality check people.  Being greedy is bad!  Think about how your actions on the platform ultimately affect everyone else in the grand scheme of things.

I personally have always kept my stake in motion, trying to make sure it never hits 100% vote power so that this system works.  For the past ~2 years, I've given my votes away constantly, trying to give people a piece of the pie.  Recently, I plugged into <a href="https://www.smartsteem.com/">Smart Steem</a> in order to give myself a bit of a break and still keep my stake in motion while getting a little monetary kickback.

My current setup on Smart Steem is this:

![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmdfJ7HVsvPmbyYmZYWwTSGkXHKSvqjFXgbmMTXyJpTLXj/image.png)

This means that if my vote power hits 99%, my vote is up for sale.  But any time that my vote power is below 99%, I am voting manually and giving my vote away, as you all should be doing as well (in my opinion).

**TL;DR:**  Bots are COOL, but only as cool as people employ them to be.  If you're selling your vote on a vote selling platform, check on what you're voting on and if it sucks, unvote it!  Don't get greedy, vote on good content, network with people, make connections, make this work!

If you're interested in doing what I'm doing, follow the little banner below.  The Smart Steem platform gives you control over many important facets and if you put the features to use, it reduces the amount and impact of vote-selling abuse:
<a href="https://smartsteem.com?r=matt-a" target="_blank"><img src="https://smartsteem.com/static/smartsteem_banner.gif" /></a>

I just wanted to rant a little bit :).  Hi!  Been a while.
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@a1mtarabichi ·
It seems to me like you spend a great deal of your time "not trying to be malicious or mean" and taking it upon yourself to "mod" posts from misguided/misinformed people in an effort to "pitch in"

I'm just going to say what everyone else is already thinking; after briefly scrolling through your comments/replies I noticed you spend a great deal of your time "flagging" posts and just messing with people who've done nothing wrong to you for whatever reason.

It's hard for me to believe you when you say you do this with no malicious intent when you're single-handedly having blog posts taken down with one mouse click from new users who have put *HOURS* into their content. 

**Yet you remove the flags on posts of people you decide to cherry pick. You can't just decide who you want to mod. Either you mod everyone or mod no one. (someone who's posting after 7 months of being a part of the community) yet keep the flag on my post and many others.**

it seems like you're trying to play it off as if you're "non-biased" and just trying to "help out" when in reality you just flag posts you don't like using your steem power to take them down. Probably because you're in a bad mood or whatever the reason is: you start every one of your crusades with the same comment "i'm not trying to be malicious/mean or anything, i just try to mod" when nobody asked you to.

You literally pay money to have people's content taken down; when all you have to do is send them a reply /message telling them: "Hey I get it, you're a new user; this is wrong, don't do it again" and I would've edited/revised the post.

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I'm not picking a fight here, it's just hard to buy your BS when you go around saying you have no malicious intent yet it seems like you're a Steemit social bully who's taking advantage of people who don't know the rules or fully understand the etiquette (yet); than instead of engaging them in conversation to teach them to correct their mistakes (which you would do if you really cared and wanted to pitch in) rather than flagging them and having them taken down without giving due process or the benefit of the doubt.

*Shrug* I don't know what's up with you or what your life is like but I've dealt with many people like you. You took what was a very exciting/fun experience & introduction to a platform I very much look forward to being a part of and just shit all over it. Than after the fact you condescendingly lecture me on the rules (because you know being a member for all of 3 days I should know better)

Take a breath and relax man. Maybe try exercising some sympathy/kindness rather than hostility/maliciousness.

Also; not to sound facetious at all: but what does this post have to do with cryptocurrency? the Steemit platform =/= STEEM token.
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@matt-a ·
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You, pal, are unhinged, and are obviously mad.  I flagged your post where you wrote three, yes 3, sentences, with a stupid chart telling people to buy Cardano that was tagged with "introduceyourself."  It isn't my fault that you're stupid.  I flagged your post because your post was ERRONEOUS. 

Get over it.  You obviously don't take criticism well.  And for this stupid comment, I bestow upon thee a fancy 100% flag that will have repercussions on your rep.  Work hard to regain that ground.  You come across as a n00b/young person that thinks that they're the shit.  I think you've got a lot of learning and growing up to do.

Consider this a disciplinary spanking.  I hope you stick around, read our back and forth, reflect on it, and grow from it. 

Good luck.
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@a1mtarabichi ·
I'm clearly unhinged, and angry; yet you're the one lodging personal insults like a child. Furthermore you're spending money to derail my channel rather than welcoming me as a newcomer or explaining to me the mistake like a responsible adult would treat a newcomer. 

You're pathetic; and as I said a bully. You have no idea who I am, the life I've lived, and what I've been through. You're a presumptuous, douche; and by the looks of your replies/comments I'm not the only one who thinks so. Keep spending money to "destroy" my reputation; I'm terrified.
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@a1mtarabichi ·
and FYI; if you hadn't flagged that post like the bully you are, and people read it and chose to take my advise where i clearly stated **do not take anyone's advise without conducting your own TA** you said yourself I told people to buy Cardano and guess what if they had listened or if you hadn't flagged the post like a prick they'd be rich.
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@akmal1 ·
I do not know all about the globe. please help me to know her friends
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@matt-a ·
Wut?
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@akmal1 ·
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@anna-mi ·
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***I am negative about any manifestations of unfair profit-making here. Whether it's selling votes selling SP buying bots. All this makes the platform a place where you will not be able to come to success relying on your talent. Initially, as I understand it, our platform was created as a place for creative people to create high-quality and interesting content. And any attempt simply to hit the jackpot with some manipulation - it's not fair and it devalues the idea Steemit.*** 
***There is an honest and open way to success, but it requires patience and a lot of work. Not everyone is able to walk on it resisting the temptation of easy earnings." For me personally, the bots are unacceptable. Now I go the way my sense of justice leads me, I participate in contests, I work on myself, I go through Sndbox quests, and I'm sure that's the right way.***
***Of course, I would like to see the majority of the members of the community succeed with honest work and talent. But maybe it's just a utopia. And in the world of money there is always someone who knows how to cheat.***
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@chronogn · (edited)
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Yup, I tried to get my account going without the use of bots but recently I started using them because 60cent payouts on some of my posts that I actually spent time on started to look  depressing.  It's really hard to get up there without the use of bots.
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@anna-mi ·
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There are many curators supporting newcomers with quality posts. Curie, OCD and many others. Look for them. use tags. And then you will be noticed, you do not need bots for this. Just keep doing your good work.
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@enjar ·
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Majority of my SP earned here is just from handful of my posts and comments.  Someone finds my blog or comment and they notice not only is it undervalued but I’m undervalued overall. As such they submit my work to one of the many groups out there looking to upvote undervalued content or they give me a an upvote. 

Here the real kicker. If you are spending a bunch of money on bidbots you are no longer consider “undervalued.” On top of that a large chuck of your total reward is just recovering your cost of “advertisement” if you even break even. 

So it can be a double edge sword. If it does not gain you new engaging followers who come back time after time. You are now just paying someone else hoping everyone else who uses the same tags as you are have spent less to get into hot or trending.
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@ayazdanish ·
Very generically speaking "any" comment is the best comment. By commenting on a photograph you acknowledge time and effort of the photographer (and his assistant(s) if any), the subject itself. If your comment is favorable, it praises both the photographer and the subject. Appreciate their beauty and the composition.  Increases their confidence. If your comment is a critique about the photography it helps the photographer learn and upskill. If it is about the subject and if it something that can help the subject change something about them in good ways it helps too.

I do not want to talk about lewd or trolling comments, I am not considering them as comments.
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@backstreetboy ·
trust the platform
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@crokkon · (edited)
$0.24
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@abh12345 ·
> Are there "TOS" when giving your posting permission to them and are you "allowed" to do that?
 
I suspect this falls on the Bot owners TOS? @smartsteem @therealwolf - what is the policy here with regards to removing votes issued via smartsteem/smartmarket, like @matt-a is doing here?

> I could imagine they don't like it very much, because the complaints will end at their desk?

Again, i would love to hear from some bot owners here.  @yabapmatt?
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@jefpatat · (edited)
That's fine by me, abuse the bot systems :-D
Would allow to double sell your vote.
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@abh12345 ·
The losers here are the bidder and the seller via curation rewards - the seller also doesn't get a return of Voting power to 're-sell'.

Bot owner still keeps their SBDs.
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@matt-a ·
It doesn't allow you to "double sell your vote."  Your vote power remains diminished and you forfeit your right to the curation reward.  By unvoting, I simply sacrifice that vote power and curation reward.  When you unvote, that potential reward is returned to the rewards pool for more appropriate distribution in the entire reward pool's 24 hour period.
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@deadspace ·
$0.25
It'd be nice if more people would do this who are selling their votes. The amount of literal trash I've seen making far more than actual decent quality content on here makes me a sad panda. I think doing it your way is far smarter than just delegating your voting power to a service. 

Also, get on Steemit more, mannn. Feels like it has been a century since you've posted, lol.
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@matt-a ·
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Yeah, it's gross but it's up to us to make this work!  Trying to do my part and be impartial haha.  It's hard, but doable.

I'm always on here!  Just in a more behind the scenes kinda way.
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@deadspace ·
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For sure, man. Appreciate you doing your part and actually being mindful of the content you upvote. 

Well, invite me to a party on ps4 or join one of mine sometime so we can chat. Just been a minute since I've talked to your crackerjack ass.
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@dedicatedguy ·
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That is probably the only way in which bid bots usage could be considered responsible, by only selling the vote if the vote power is 99% or even better, 100%...

Other than that, bid bots bring more problems than solutions in my humble opinion.
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@matt-a · (edited)
The bots themselves don't bring problems, but -how- the people who use them, do.
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@enjar ·
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This is why I just choose to manually vote.  I don’t have to worry about it being used and abused by someone else trying get on trending with somethings they flat out just stole or frankly had zero effort into creating it.

 It would be great if more people at least check in on time to time to see if they are auto voting in some manner such as this or other ways that the Steemit they want to shape is what is being reward.

 Far too many seem to be focused on short term profits and who ever can pay them the most. Which sadly leads us to trending page issue. People are getting what they wanted just not in a way they wanted it. Hard to shape steemit if you let others decide who gets your stake in it.
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@erodedthoughts ·
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Well said, just an unvote is responsible enough. Flagging trash is a whole other issue but a simple unvote is a GREAT step that should be used more.
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@matt-a ·
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I'm no stranger to doling out flags haha.  I think that they're a necessary feature, and I use them to send messages.
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@erodedthoughts ·
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I agree, I just wish more users with sizeable flags felt the need to protect those who cannot do it with 1 Mega Vest worth of an account. The retaliation flags are what keep most people from flagging, I think.

There are just so many ways to game the system it will take change after change to fix things.
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@frmn ·
I like posting there, voiced in that field, but I do not really understand with the post there say this .., because I just wrote here ..,
thank you for sharing
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@fullcoverbetting ·
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I always run out of voting power!
It would be nice if you could indicates tags when selling your vote or a minimal character length of the post. I know that these 2 funtions will not eliminate the risk that your vote will be sold to shitty posts!
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@abh12345 ·
This is totally possible, and may help reduce the crap content receiving votes a little.

It's going to require some work from the bot owners though.  They will need to create a profile space for each seller, where they can choose the minimum char length, tags to avoid etc.

Good thinking!
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@fullcoverbetting · (edited)
Also the trending and hot pages could be altered, by adding the number of comments to the algortihm!
I don’t know if the bots owners have to be involved in this! It would be great if they do but it is not required. It is just the algorithm which have to be adjusted. Most of us know the important bots!
What also would be nice is that post can climb the rankings based on the interaction. Post authors would be forces to interact on the comments! Without this they never would have a chance!

I’m full of good ideas 😂
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@matt-a ·
Good ideas.  Maybe make a post about that and tag some bot owners?
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@fullcoverbetting ·
Mmh, when not written correctly they could wipe out my complete rep! Also not sure how I should address it!
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@rdxshakin ·
your post very helpful for us
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@geekis ·
$0.22
This was no rant man! You made some sense here. It is a pity how some wolfs keep upvoting trash while the main guys that spend days creating quality contents go home with struggling 2sbd. Let me run before they notice my presense, Lol.
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@matt-a ·
It takes time and effort to get noticed!  I see the bot system as a good way to get noticed.  If someone buys a vote from me and I like their content when I'm reviewing what my stake has been used for, I'll go give them additional upvotes to encourage behavior that makes this system flourish.  At the same time, I unvote garbage/abuse and sometimes flag it.  Nothing speaks louder than messing with someone's "money."
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@jeffjagoe ·
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I recently undelegated the SP that I had given to a couple bot-services. I did not want to be liable for promoting any posts that do not fit my ideologies. At first I thought it would be great to make some dividends, but then I realized the vote is more than just a way to make money, it also voices support which can be risky business if you're not doing due diligence to see what you're supporting.
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@matt-a · (edited)
$0.07
This is exactly why I choose to not delegate and opt to simply sell -my- vote.  Delegating pays you more than vote selling does, but it removes your control.  If my account votes on something that's plagiarized, is just plain stupid or whatever, I don't want that "something," to get rewarded.
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@abh12345 · (edited)
$0.20
Honestly, I came to find you to do exactly what you discuss here.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@alishannoor/need-suggestion-to-make-steemit-alive-for-long-term

Just terrible, from the title to the bottom.

Your choice of course, thanks!

-----------

Related, and not a call for a vote: https://steemit.com/steemit/@abh12345/what-would-steemit-look-like-if-everyone-chose-to-delegate-their-stake-to-a-bid-bot

We need the bigger players like you voting for solid content, thanks for your time.
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@karensuestudios ·
$0.23
Great post, I couldn't agree more. The trending page is looking kind of sad these days. 

I don't sell my power for that very reason! :)

Thanks for the share.
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@libert ·
$0.20
Another disadvantage of voting bots is that Steemit reputation system can be easily manipulated. 

Just look at this post: https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@contentjunkie/no-india-has-not-banned-bitcoin-trading-government-confirms

It's literally copy-paste, who can expect such content from 70+ rep guy?
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@matt-a ·
Wow, that is bullshit.  $150 payout for literally writing "Let's just squash the latest rumours out of India. Yeesh, this seems to happen every few months."

I know that guy a bit.  I left him a comment.  It's important to create a conversation with people doing this.
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@madscientistx69 ·
I agree it is very important to keep and eye on what your voting on, the service could vote on something you do not agree with, or dislike.
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@nurhayati ·
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@matt-a, This is very interesting, I see a lot of content that should be appreciated in steemit, original, and very informative but not appreciated steemit, but vice versa. this makes steemian beginners back in steemit, I can only read and give curation to the good post in my opinion. the rest of you who can help them ..lol
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@rdxshakin ·
please upvot
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@sanddrift · (edited)
$0.20
Great article I am still learning so much it's hard to get my head around it. But that makes sense.
There is a lot of rubbish but sometimes its people that arnt educated and get mistaken for poor content.
On the other hand there's trash that needs to be removed as examples to others that are thinking of blotting there garbage on steemit.
I notice those that abuse the system, are only motivated by selfish greed and that drives them to look after number one.
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@matt-a ·
Hang in there!  Keep playing with the system and more and more of it will begin to click.  It won't happen overnight, that's for sure.  It takes time and practice.  It's an entirely new concept, after all.
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@sco ·
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If somone has idle VP, I suggest to join one of the trusted curation trails (curie, steemstem, etc.) instead of selling the vote. That's the genuine solution to the problem of voting garbage.
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@matt-a ·
That's a great approach if you have the time for that.  Some people are very busy the majority of the time (like me) and I can't afford to spend that time/effort.
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@abh12345 · (edited)
Honestly, for the sake of the platform and to save you time checking up on the tripe you may have voted on, following a trail like @curie is the best way to go.

You can be rest assured that that the post has been read and reviewed, and you'll have no manual maintenance to do in checking where your votes have gone.

You'll be supporting new authors and interesting original content, and with your SP, and you are likely to sit in the top 5/10 of the 20 top voter names.  This will look really good on you and you'll gain organic followers this way through your apparent appreciation of good content.
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@sco ·
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joining a curation trail costs less time than selling your vote - especially if you cross-check for voted bullshit afterwards. Just go to steemauto, join up, config the % of VP you want to join with and that's it. Never worry again.
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@taqi ·
Nice post.
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@tarazkp ·
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Hey @matt-a

I am pretty outspoken against bidbot abuse but, I do think there is some middle ground and it is good to see that *actual users* of them are now making more of an effort to limit the damage. The incentive to be passive is there but, a healthy community requires action. Thanks mate.
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@matt-a ·
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My pleasure!  I want this platform to work.  If we don't take proactive measures, we're shooting ourselves in the foot.
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@tarazkp ·
> If we don't take proactive measures, we're shooting ourselves in the foot. 

Well, it is much like the wild west here except no one has handled the gun of self-governance before.
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@wakeupkitty ·
I like your post although I do not understand 30-40% of it.. perhaps in time. My voting power is 0 I believe and it will probably never change. Within 1 week time I figured out Steemit is not about good content at all. It is even hard to find good content. The whole concept/system is set up about making money. But at least my content will be saved so my children will be able to read it one day.
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@yungchief ·
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This isn't a rant to me, its pure fact. I hardly visit the trending post cos I have seen the posts there don't worth those earning.
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@zullfam ·
I do not know all about the globe yet. please help me to know all about world friends @matt-a
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@matt-a ·
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.  I'm sorry.  I do not understand.
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@zullfam ·
Essentially, I want to know about the globe
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