## Larimer's ethical algorithms *** Artificial intelligence (AI) tokens are everywhere on the blockchain these days, but one recent article that @dan [wrote](https://steemit.com/eos/@dan/proof-of-good-governance) questioned the role of governance on Steemit. He was caned in the comments section for some of his thoughts by some, but this was the first time on Steemit I'd seen someone on look at the myriad of ethical quandaries on the platform from a philosophical view. It got me thinking that instead of providing the criticism (that was right in my eyes) that he could also be the man to provide the solution: writing ethical algorithms that would provide good governance over the rewards pool. I've seen to many people impose their own moral view, but very few look outside the same rat-run solutions. We need something very different. https://vneconomy.mediacdn.vn/2018/12-1518020802983.jpg [Source](https://vneconomy.mediacdn.vn/2018/12-1518020802983.jpg) ## Morals come knocking *** I'm sure @dan in all his genius could turn philosophical ethical theories into a language algorithm that could be operated by a computer. This would operate to distribute the rewards pool and protect people from harm and bad actors within a complexity theory system. I don't want to take a stand on what moral theory is right, as I'm sure this could be done via a consensus model, but I am saying that without an ethical algorithm in place, Steemit will always have that 'stickiness' problem with new actors entering the space. After say a consensus was reached, then @dan's ideas could go forth into one moral theory and lead to more lives being enriched on the platform- as well as solving Steemit's 'stickiness' problem. *Ultimately, the effects of @dan's inventions may not have had the impact he first thought, but I'm sure the effect of an ethical algorithm would be even more huge and unpredictable. Not even an ethical algorithm can make Steemit perfectly moral. Just ask Google and their driverless cars.* Steem on! @mindhunter P.S. I know @dan has left Steemit - this is me just thinking out loud - just replace @dan with @sneak in the second half of the article involving development.
author | mindhunter |
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permlink | could-dan-build-an-ethical-algorithm-to-help-police-a-social-networks-rewards-pool |
category | steemit |
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ThatΒ΄s a nice idea, but you canΒ΄t replace @dan by anyone - especially not people, who have totally different goals in mind. ItΒ΄s not only that Dan has left, but with him the spirit and vision. I still believe into STEEM and the power of decentralization though. Maybe the main problem is, that someone like Dan is so lightyears ahead of his time, that most of this visions are (not yet) ready to become a reality. I try to live with that - although I also would like to see it different...
author | atmosblack |
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permlink | re-mindhunter-could-dan-build-an-ethical-algorithm-to-help-police-a-social-networks-rewards-pool-20180216t120118760z |
category | steemit |
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I'm sure Google thought ethical thoughts too until their Google car trolley problem went terribly wrong and their cars started crashing. Even with a genius at the helm, there is still no guarantee of success.
author | mindhunter |
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permlink | re-atmosblack-re-mindhunter-could-dan-build-an-ethical-algorithm-to-help-police-a-social-networks-rewards-pool-20180216t121541790z |
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https://media.giphy.com/media/26BRJL4syg2UULfhu/giphy.gif
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category | steemit |
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i would be keen to see an ethical program linked to the network rewards, as the current platform is so exploited by the top players here, and they hold all the cards in the hand.
author | daydreams4rock |
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permlink | re-mindhunter-could-dan-build-an-ethical-algorithm-to-help-police-a-social-networks-rewards-pool-20180216t125221886z |
category | steemit |
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Tomorrow the ethical rabbit hole will go deeper ... I'm going to write an article entitled: 'Could paid bot votes be stripped out of the rewards that go towards reputational score?'
author | mindhunter |
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P.S. Thought for the day: *A moral system valid for all is basically immoral. β Friedrich Nietzsche*
author | mindhunter |
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Because it precludes free will.
author | otage |
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permlink | re-mindhunter-re-mindhunter-could-dan-build-an-ethical-algorithm-to-help-police-a-social-networks-rewards-pool-20180216t213647173z |
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He's probably already done it for EOS we're just waiting for it to launch so we can copy it : )
author | otage |
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permlink | re-mindhunter-could-dan-build-an-ethical-algorithm-to-help-police-a-social-networks-rewards-pool-20180216t213448641z |
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@ned is just waiting for the EOS warbird to decloak - our photon torpedoes are ready :)
author | mindhunter |
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https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/81334479/an-eos-warbird-comes-at-steemit-it-best-not-miss.jpg
author | mindhunter |
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permlink | re-otage-re-mindhunter-could-dan-build-an-ethical-algorithm-to-help-police-a-social-networks-rewards-pool-20180216t215656424z |
category | steemit |
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The biggest problem with Steemit is indeed any sort of financial incentives. If there were none, Steemit would still have excessively low quality posts and tons of spam, just the spam would evolve from shit posting to "blah blah blah ultra vitamin cure cancer blah blah blah increase penis size too blah blah 100% health in 1 month blah blah links here" then insert tons of affiliate links, link wheeling, social media profiles etc. This includes especially in your comments section which is what would be hit the hardest. I've just created my own cryptocurrency 2 days ago, I've not yet implemented anything with it as I'm working more towards full social network as opposed to blogging platform. This project, though, will likely die before it starts, so don't expect me to end up releasing anything due to lack of capital to implement what I have as this little side project. *Shrug* To my understanding, though, Dan already has some plans to start a Steemit competitor using EOS, we'll have to wait and see what becomes of that.
author | outtheshellvlog |
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permlink | re-mindhunter-could-dan-build-an-ethical-algorithm-to-help-police-a-social-networks-rewards-pool-20180217t202050488z |
category | steemit |
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It is interesting, but when currency or money is applied, the game is on. Way too many people cannot see money as a game, so their feelings get involved. I do not think that math will fix human nature, but can only predict and perhaps guide human behavior.
author | pastbastard |
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permlink | re-mindhunter-could-dan-build-an-ethical-algorithm-to-help-police-a-social-networks-rewards-pool-20180216t123409611z |
category | steemit |
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Moral guidance is all we need like you say - bring on the math! - only the individual can solve its own greed algorithm.
author | mindhunter |
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permlink | re-pastbastard-re-mindhunter-could-dan-build-an-ethical-algorithm-to-help-police-a-social-networks-rewards-pool-20180216t124444990z |
category | steemit |
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I wish people had to vote for others a certain number of times before they could self vote. Also, waiting for a platform that filters out posts under 3 paragraphs. ( We have steepshot for the art and photography posts)
author | twirble |
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permlink | re-mindhunter-could-dan-build-an-ethical-algorithm-to-help-police-a-social-networks-rewards-pool-20180218t172604996z |
category | steemit |
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And Zappl for the tweets - Zaps! Sorry!
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Oh I mean I love all of these different apps I just think there should be one for long text as well. (There probably is already)
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