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What would be the correct and fair evaluation of the hive token? [ITA/ENG] by miti

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What would be the correct and fair evaluation of the hive token? [ITA/ENG]
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Un saluto a tutti,

leggo molto spesso di utenti che si domandano quale dovrebbe essere la corretta quotazione di Hive e altrettanto spesso leggo di numeri sparati a caso, come se si potesse definire il valore di un bene estraniandolo dall'economia reale.

Ogni valutazione deve essere fatta in modo ragionato e con dei dati alla mano altrimenti finisce per trasformarsi in una scommessa piuttosto che in una previsione.

**Ma come si può fare per definire il valore di una blockchain che rappresenta un qualcosa di nuovo nell'economia reale? Come si potrebbe cercare di assegnarle una quotazione se non è ne listata in borsa ne di facile accesso al pubblico degli investitori istituzionali?**

Essendo quotata in criptovaluta, Hive perde una grossa fetta di investitori, ma questo è un handicap che verrà presto risolto con l'adozione di massa delle monete virtuali, cosa che sono convinto avverrà nei prossimi anni.

Ma potremmo ragionare in via teorica confrontando la tecnologia alla base di Hive e l'offerta di Dapps della sua blockchain con quelle esistenti per poter ipotizzare un valore da assegnare all'intera piattaforma e di conseguenza per ogni signolo hive.

Infatti l'offerta di Dapps di Hive diventa sempre più ampia e per il momento tende moltissimo verso il lato Social della piattaforma, quindi blogging e video.. ed è proprio in questo ambito che secondo me potremmo cominciare a fare dei paragoni, consapevoli che in ogni caso Hive è molto di più di un Social Media ma che è ovviamente questo il modo per arrivare più facilmente alle masse.

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Attualmente Hive offre la possibilità di tenere il proprio blog, interagire con i propri lettori e ricevere dei like o dislike (che oltretutto nella nostra blockchain sono monetizzati).
Abbiamo diversi front end che offrono questa possibilità, come [hive.blog](https://hive.blog/), [peakd](https://peakd.com/), [busy.org](https://busy.org/), [esteem.app](https://esteem.app/) per citarne solo alcuni.

Ci sono anche piattaforme che permettono di concentrarsi sul video blogging come [3Speak](https://3speak.online/), [vimm](https://www.vimm.tv/) oppure altre che puntano sul turismo come [TravelFeed](https://travelfeed.io/), [pinmapple](https://www.pinmapple.com/), [haveyoubeenhere](https://haveyoubeenhere.com/)..

..potrei andare avanti ancora per molto, perchè l'offerta di Hive è a 360° e copre altri campi come la musica, lo sport, il porno.
Insomma se dovessimo guardare a tutta questa offerta sarebbe lecito poter fare paragoni con i potenziali concorrenti diretti: ***Facebook, Twitter, Youtube*** per citarne tre tra i più grandi.

*Ed è proprio da questi concorrenti che vorrei partire per la mia analisi.*

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[Source](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02LFmMcpuljOtrN4iOEFirG61_LJQ%3A1588780923388&ei=e9-yXsibF6vrrgS2068Y&q=valore++facebook&oq=valore++facebook&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIHCAAQRhD6ATICCAAyAggAMgIIADIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjoECAAQRzoFCAAQgwFQso0CWOGWAmDSmAJoAHACeACAAWqIAZ4GkgEDNC40mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiIxcGUzp_pAhWrtYsKHbbpCwMQ4dUDCAw&uact=5)

<H3>***FACEBOOK***</H3>

Sicuramente Facebook è il concorrente più importante nonchè quello con la quotazione più alta; la sua capitalizzazione di mercato sfiora i 600 miliardi di dollari e fattura circa 70 miliardi di dollari all'anno con oltre 2 miliardi di utenti attivi mensilmente.
Dei numeri impressionanti per un prodotto che soffre di censura e non restituisce nessun compenso au suoi utenti trattenendo ogni forma di guadagno per se!

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[Source](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01vrPyz2ZsThpUSMme9m55XAznHFw%3A1588780844338&ei=LN-yXrefFLDMrgTNr4GIDg&q=quotazione+twitter&oq=quotazione+twitter&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIHCAAQRhD6ATICCAAyAggAMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46BAgAEEc6BQgAEIMBOgcIABCDARBDUPkeWP8mYLAoaABwBHgAgAGLAYgB-AWSAQMwLjeYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwi35ejuzZ_pAhUwposKHc1XAOEQ4dUDCAw&uact=5)

<H3>***TWITTER***</H3>

Diverso da Facebook e sicuramente meno capitalizzato, Twitter ha un valore di mercato di oltre 20 miliardi di dollari con una stima di quasi 140 milioni di utenti attivi giornalieri.

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![YT.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/B2X0U7tX-YT.jpg)
[Source](https://www.cnbc.com/id/100743171)

![YT2.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/6oN4r2ci-YT2.jpg)
[Source](https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/youtube-value-as-separate-company-is-300-billion-analyst-says-2019-10-1028641059)

<H3>***YOUTUBE***</H3>

Youtube è molto probabilmente il sito di hosting video più famoso al mondo. Non è quotato direttamente a Wall Street in quanto fa parte del gruppo Google, quindi per questa piattaforma il discorso è un pò diverso perchè se ne può fare solo una stima.
Ho cercato di prendere due punti di vista diversi con alcuni analisti della CNBC che citano Morgan Stanley che ipotizza una quotazione di 20 miliardi di Dollari e altri analisti che ipotizzano una quotazione astronomica di 300 miliardi di Dollari.
Se la verità sta nel mezzo, possiamo ipotizzare una quotazione di mercato di almeno 150 miliardi di dollari che la porrebbe sotto Facebook ma sopra Twitter.
Di recente è finito nell'occhio del ciclone per la demonetizzazione di molti autori oltre che per la censura su moltissimi conenuti.

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<H3>***HIVE***</H3>

Questi dati sono secondo me fondamentali per comprendere quello che sto per esprimere, cioè il mio punto di vista su quella che sarebbe una corretta ed equa quotazione di Hive.

Infatti se è vero che queste compagnie da sole valgono svariati miliardi di dollari ma rappresentano solo un campo social dell'intera offerta (quindi Youtube i video, Twitter per i brevi messaggi e facebook sul lato blog), Hive potrebbe rappresentarli tutti in un unica blockchain.

***Quindi quanto potrebbe valere Hive?***

Tutte le compagnie che ho citato in precedenza hanno alle loro spalle anni di onboarding degli utenti che li ha portati a numeri impressionanti di traffico giornaliero.
E' un aspetto di non poco conto, tenendo presente che Hive è nata da solo due mesi e che se anche volessimo considerare l'esperienza di Steem saremmo a un totale di 4 anni.
Inoltre Hive opera nel campo delle blockchain e delle criptovalute e quindi finchè queste tecnologie non verranno assimilate dalle masse, difficilmente potremmo assistere a un'esposione di traffico di utenti.

Quindi queste mie considerazioni sono da intendersi come una visione a lungo termine e non certamente improntate al breve periodo.

Però proviamo a fare una semplice ipotesi, molto pessimistica considerando appunto le difficoltà che Hive potrebbe incontrare nell'onboarding degli utenti a causa della tecnologia di base che va sicuramente assimilata da questi ultimi.
Se Facebook vale 600 miliardi di dollari, Twitter 20 miliardi e si stima che Youtube possa valere tra i 20 e i 300 miliardi.. ***quanto potrebbe valere Hive che le racchiude tutte in un'unica blockchain?***

Voglio essere pessimista e ipotizzare 1 miliardo di dollari, molto inferiore alla capitalizzazione di mercato delle altre tre.
E' ovviamente una mia stima e sottolineo che io non sono ne un analista ne un mago della finanza.

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[![hive.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/g6GZfgIe-hive.jpg)](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/g6GZfgIe-hive.jpg)
*Screen shot dell'autore*

Come possiamo vedere da questo screen shot di [HIVE block explorer](https://www.hiveblockexplorer.com/) (grazie a @penguinpablo per questo tool), Hive ha una supply di 367,777,300.213 hive (ovviamente in costante aumento in base alla produzione di nuovi blocchi) e se ipotizzassimo un valore della blockchain di 1 miliardo di dollari, ne ricaveremmo che ***ogni hive dovrebbe valere oltre $2.7!!!***

Ovviamente questi sono i numeri perchè io ho ipotizzato un valore di 1 miliardo di dollari (che secondo me sarebbe comunque un valore sotto stimato), ma se anche considerassi la quotazione della blockchain di Hive di soli 500 milioni di dollari, ogni hive varrebbe comunque $1.35 e cioè un valore nettamente superiore alla quotazione attuale di circa $0.37!!

Questo farebbe dedurre che la blockchain è decisamente sotto quotata e sotto stimata e che tutto lascerebbe ipotizzare un potenziale incremento delle quotazioni davvero ampio, a patto di continuare con lo sviluppo e sulle politiche di onboarding di nuovi utenti (anche grazie a corrette azioni per pubblicizzare Hive, cosa che è sempre mancata a Steem).

Ovviamente mi si potrebbe contestare che all'aumentare della supply di Hive il valore per ogni singolo hive dovrebbe scendere se il valore dell'intera blockchain dovesse restare costante come da me ipotizzato a 1 miliardo di dollari (o a 500 milioni di dollari); l'osservazione è corretta, ma va considerato un aspetto fondamentale e cioè che il valore della blockchain non resterà costante a quelle due cifre ipotizzate da me in precedenza, perchè essa evolvendosi creerà nuovo valore, nuove Dapps e attirerà nuovi utenti che per forza di cose aumenteranno il valore dell'intera blockchain, forse a valori più prossimi a quelli dei concorrenti citati in precedenza.

Sia Twitter, che Facebook e Youtube al loro lancio e alla loro quotazione a Wall Street non avevano le capitalizzazioni attuali che sono frutto di una crescita per certi versi esponenziale a livello mondiale.

***Partendo dal presupposto che non sto sollecitando alcun investimento e che queste sono solo delle mie considerazioni, cosa ne pensate voi?***

*Lasciatemi un commento per farmi sapere la vostra opinione!*

Carlo.

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***DISCLAIMER:*** *I contenuti di questo articolo non intendono in alcun modo costituire sollecitazione al pubblico risparmio oppure consulenza all’investimento in criptovalute. Il mercato di quest'ultime è fortemente volatile e inadatto agli investitori inesperti.
L'autore non conosce le caratteristiche personali di nessuno dei lettori (flussi reddituali, capacità a sostenere perdite, consistenza patrimoniale) e quindi tutti i contenuti dell'articolo hanno solo scopi didattici, educativi e informativi.*

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Hello everybody,

I very often read of users who wonder what the correct quotation of Hive should be and equally often I read of numbers shot at random, as if you could define the value of an asset by alienating it from the real economy.

Every valuation must be done in a reasoned way and with data in hand otherwise it ends up turning into a bet rather than a prediction.

**But how can you define the value of a blockchain that represents something new in the real economy? How could you try to give it a quote if it is neither listed on the stock exchange nor easily accessible to the public of institutional investors?**

Being listed in cryptocurrency, Hive loses a large slice of investors, but this is a handicap that will soon be solved with the mass adoption of virtual currencies, which I am convinced will happen in the coming years.

But we could reason theoretically comparing the technology behind Hive and Dapps' offer of its blockchain with the existing ones in order to hypothesize a value to be assigned to the entire platform and consequently for each single hive.

In fact the offer of Dapps of Hive becomes wider and wider and for the moment it tends very much towards the social side of the platform, so blogging and video ... and it is precisely in this area that I think we could begin to make comparisons, aware that in any case Hive is much more than a Social Media but that is obviously the way to get more easily to the masses.

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Currently Hive offers the possibility to keep your own blog, interact with your readers and receive likes or dislike (which are monetized in our blockchain).
We have several front ends that offer this possibility, such as [hive.blog](https://hive.blog/), [peakd](https://peakd.com/), [busy.org](https://busy.org/), [esteem.app](https://esteem.app/) to name but a few.

There are also platforms that allow you to focus on video blogging such as [3Speak](https://3speak.online/), [vimm](https://www.vimm.tv/) or others that focus on tourism such as [TravelFeed](https://travelfeed.io/), [pinmapple](https://www.pinmapple.com/), [haveyoubeenhere](https://haveyoubeenhere.com/).

..I could go on for a lot longer, because the offer of Hive is 360° and covers other fields such as music, sport, porn.
In short, if we were to look at all this offer it would be legitimate to make comparisons with potential direct competitors: ***Facebook, Twitter, Youtube*** to name three of the biggest.

*And it's from these competitors that I'd like to start my analysis.*

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[![FB.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/aApp7t51-FB.jpg)](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/aApp7t51-FB.jpg)
[Source](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02LFmMcpuljOtrN4iOEFirG61_LJQ%3A1588780923388&ei=e9-yXsibF6vrrgS2068Y&q=valore++facebook&oq=valore++facebook&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIHCAAQRhD6ATICCAAyAggAMgIIADIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjoECAAQRzoFCAAQgwFQso0CWOGWAmDSmAJoAHACeACAAWqIAZ4GkgEDNC40mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiIxcGUzp_pAhWrtYsKHbbpCwMQ4dUDCAw&uact=5)

<H3>***FACEBOOK***</H3>

Surely Facebook is the most important competitor as well as the one with the highest quotation; its market capitalization is close to 600 billion dollars and it has a turnover of about 70 billion dollars per year with more than 2 billion active users monthly.
Impressive numbers for a product that suffers from censorship and does not return any compensation to its users by withholding any form of income for itself!

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[![twitter.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/HEjf7BWM-twitter.jpg)](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/HEjf7BWM-twitter.jpg)
[Source](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01vrPyz2ZsThpUSMme9m55XAznHFw%3A1588780844338&ei=LN-yXrefFLDMrgTNr4GIDg&q=quotazione+twitter&oq=quotazione+twitter&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIHCAAQRhD6ATICCAAyAggAMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46BAgAEEc6BQgAEIMBOgcIABCDARBDUPkeWP8mYLAoaABwBHgAgAGLAYgB-AWSAQMwLjeYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwi35ejuzZ_pAhUwposKHc1XAOEQ4dUDCAw&uact=5)

<H3>***TWITTER***</H3>

Different from Facebook and certainly less capitalized, Twitter has a market value of over $20 billion with an estimated 140 million active daily users.

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![YT.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/B2X0U7tX-YT.jpg)
[Source](https://www.cnbc.com/id/100743171)

![YT2.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/6oN4r2ci-YT2.jpg)
[Source](https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/youtube-value-as-separate-company-is-300-billion-analyst-says-2019-10-1028641059)

<H3>***YOUTUBE***</H3>

Youtube is most likely the most famous video hosting site in the world. It is not listed directly on Wall Street because it is part of the Google group, so for this platform the speech is a bit different because you can only make an estimate.
I tried to take two different points of view with some CNBC analysts who quote Morgan Stanley who assumes a quote of 20 billion dollars and other analysts who assume an astronomical quote of 300 billion dollars.
If the truth is in the middle, we can assume a market price of at least 150 billion dollars that would put it under Facebook but above Twitter.
Recently it ended up in the eye of the storm for the demonetization of many authors as well as for the censorship of many conenuts.

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<H3>***HIVE***</H3>

These data are, in my opinion, fundamental to understand what I am about to express, that is my point of view on what would be a correct and fair quotation of Hive.

In fact if it's true that these companies alone are worth several billion dollars but they represent only a social field of the entire offer (so Youtube videos, Twitter for short messages and facebook on the blog side), Hive could represent them all in a single blockchain.

***So how much could Hive be worth?***

All of the companies I mentioned earlier have years of onboarding users behind them, which has led them to impressive daily traffic figures.
This is a very important aspect, bearing in mind that Hive was born only two months ago and that even if we wanted to consider Steem's experience we would be at a total of 4 years.
Moreover, Hive operates in the field of blockchain and cryptocurrency and so until these technologies will not be assimilated by the masses, we could hardly see an exhibition of user traffic.

So these considerations are to be understood as a long-term vision and certainly not based on the short term.

But let's try to make a simple hypothesis, very pessimistic considering the difficulties that Hive could encounter in the onboarding of users because of the basic technology that must surely be assimilated by the latter.
If Facebook is worth 600 billion dollars, Twitter 20 billion and Youtube is estimated to be worth between 20 and 300 billion... ***how much could Hive be worth, which encloses them all in one blockchain?***

I want to be pessimistic and assume $1 billion, much less than the market capitalization of the other three.
This is obviously my estimation and I stress that I am neither an analyst nor a financial wizard.

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[![hive.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/g6GZfgIe-hive.jpg)](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/miti/g6GZfgIe-hive.jpg)
*Screen shot of the author*

As we can see from this screenshot of [HIVE block explorer](https://www.hiveblockexplorer.com/) (thanks to @penguinpablo for this tool), Hive has a supply of 367,777,300,213 hive (obviously constantly increasing depending on the production of new blocks) and if we assume a blockchain value of $1 billion, we would get that ***each hive should be worth over $2.7!!!!***

Obviously these are the numbers because I have assumed a value of 1 billion dollars (which in my opinion would still be a value underestimated), but even if I consider the price of the blockchain of Hive of only $ 500 million dollars, each hive would still be worth $1.35 and that is a value well above the current price of about $0.37!

This would suggest that the blockchain is definitely under listed and under estimated and that everything would suggest a potential increase in prices really wide, provided that we continue with the development and onboarding policies of new users (also thanks to correct actions to advertise Hive, something that has always been missing to Steem).

Obviously I could be challenged that as the supply of Hive increases the value for each single hive should fall if the value of the entire blockchain should remain constant as I hypothesized to 1 billion dollars (or 500 million dollars); the observation is correct, but it must be considered a fundamental aspect and that is that the value of the blockchain will not remain constant at those two figures assumed by me previously, because it will evolve to create new value, new Dapps and attract new users who by force of things will increase the value of the entire blockchain, perhaps to values closer to those of competitors mentioned above.

This especially in light of the characteristics of the blockchain, that is censorship resistant, decentralized and profitable for the authors... and much more.

Both Twitter, Facebook and Youtube at their launch and listing on Wall Street did not have the current capitalizations that are the result of somehow exponential growth worldwide.

***I'm not soliciting any investment and these are just my considerations, what do you think?***

*Leave me a comment to let me know your opinion!*



Carlo

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***DISCLAIMER:*** *The contents of this article are in no way intended to solicit public savings or advice on investment in cryptocurrencies. The latter market is highly volatile and unsuitable for inexperienced investors.
The author does not know the personal characteristics of any of the readers (income flows, ability to withstand losses, patrimonial consistency) and therefore all the contents of the article have only didactic, educational and informative purposes.*


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@claudio83 ·
Un valore assolutamente raggiungibile e, come hai detto tu, ti sei soffermato solo al lato social. Se ci aggiungiamo anche le Dapp, il valore potrà solo aumentare
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@miti ·
Esatto.. io credo che si possa arrivare anche a dieci volte il valore che ho detto, ma ci vorrà tanto tempo perchè parliamo di un modello economico nuovo che deve essere prima di tutto assimilato dalle masse e dagli investitori.
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@claudio83 ·
Concordo, bisognerà pazientare ancora diversi anni secondo me. Quindi nulla di immediato, neanche nei prossimi mesi 🤓
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@cmplxty ·
That was nice, I will try to read the Italian part of your post first. There’s lots of big words in there I don’t know but I have a goal this summer to post some basic posts in Italian in the community there! I was able to pick out a bunch but it’s also pronouncing they for me that’s important. 

One thing I don’t want to happen but I fear it will, with EOS and it’s DPOS system, the exchanges hold massive power over the witnesses. The more popular we become, the more the exchanges will want to run a witness to hijack the economy we have here. Inevitable but I guess that’s good for some of us?
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@miti ·
Sono davvero curioso di leggere un tuo post interamente in italiano! (I intentionally wrote this in italian  to give you more practice in our language. 😜)

>One thing I don’t want to happen but I fear it will, with EOS and it’s DPOS system, the exchanges hold massive power over the witnesses. The more popular we become, the more the exchanges will want to run a witness to hijack the economy we have here. Inevitable but I guess that’s good for some of us?

As has happened in the past, more likely than not, it could happen to us, too. 
But our community is strong and this is demonstrated by the fact that Justin Sun tried to take advantage of Steem losing all the community.
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@cmplxty ·
Grazie mille! I read at a 1st grade level in Italian but improving! hehe

The thing that Justin did that I think led to his downfall is highlight that he wants to move everything to Tron. If he didn't make that statement at all, I think we would still be the Steem blockchain right now. He makes stupid mistakes though, so it was only a matter of time before something different would happen lol

I think if exchanges come in here and start a witness, they will do it quietly. I don't think they will instantly stake 5 million Hive. I feel like they will stake a 20 or 30 thousand and increase it over time to ease into it, given how strongly we reacted to JS and his posse.
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@lanzjoseg ·
@tipu curate
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@miti ·
Thanks, mate!
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@tipu ·
<a href="https://tipu.online/hive_curator?lanzjoseg" target="_blank">Upvoted  &#128076;</a> (Mana: 0/2)
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@miti ·
#posh: https://twitter.com/miti39609105/status/1258365280620892160
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