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The Real Problem You Might Have With The Trending Page! by modernpastor

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The Real Problem You Might Have With The Trending Page!
![The real trending page problem thumb.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmZfKhuz5Ch1Z1seaPip9TTW3G4iKCY6qw4kvBhJmcqS1h)


**Pastor time Steemians!**

Today with a maybe explosive topic as you saw in the title. In this post, I want to handle the real problem steemians might have with the trending section. Honestly, after reading more contributions about that and also the comments from Steemians I believe there could be much deeper problems as people admit.

The first time I wrote about that topic with a different focus in the following contribution. There I presented also a solution for a maybe better trending page.
[![Is Steemit going down?.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmWqYR8ugjEV7TTMnLai5CTKiFDLVMoqHGAgFJ3shtV5qL)](https://busy.org/@modernpastor/is-steemit-going-down-read-what-i-think-maybe-you-see-it-the-same-way)

Let me give you a disclaimer up front: *I am not taking a side; I am not presenting the true reasons. The purpose of this post is to lead you to think on a deeper level. To ask questions, not to present the solutions. Also,​ I believe that this post could be valuable​ for many people because of that this post will be boosted after 30 minutes! ,​Ok Let's dive in.*

![Ask yourself.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmNmTDCDEjKfPzGrc17R3vB3mWeQhGnG6UKp1iJD7wLQZt)


When people are facing a problem, a problem or condition which drags on the first thing the human nature does is to look for the cause by others. This is normal but bad behaviour. 
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*When this guy would not have said this than​ I...​
When my wife would have simply done what I said than I...
When this system would be different I...*
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Let me tell you; you could be right. It could be really that way. But that's not the point. It is something you can't actively influence. What people often overlook is the process of searching for the actual, real problem.

Often the first condition or cause is not revealing the real problem you have with something or someone.

What helps to solve this dilemma is to ask questions. Sounds weird? Allow me to show you what I mean.

![Real problem tredning.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmZJ4tJNMebP1knhEe51ddooWoLuFrqNXFRxoTB8iGeo62)


I will present some often used answers, and then let's have a closer look.

**1. The trending page is broken because often low-quality content is boosted by bots into this section and the valuable content is not getting the attention it deserves.**

First of all, let me say that this answer is in general not wrong.
But to give this answer a general scope is definitely wrong.
Why?

The question of quality is subjective. For you, posts on the trending page could be of low quality, but that doesn't mean it is exactly like that for everybody else.

When it is raining where you are than it is also raining for everybody else around you. But the judgment of quality is a subjective matter. Here the screenshot from the actual trending page. 

![Bildschirmfoto 2018-04-19 um 18.41.08.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmPidCjwB6dJw1bX4mWEq4VVy5iBH9CynB9xqumnNWc1ph)

Honestly, I can't say that one of them is of low quality. I will not say that I find everything interesting but of low quality? Hmm, I doubt that.

**My advise for this answer**: *Don't make your subjective opinion a law for everybody else and believe they think the same as you. Your opinion is just your opinion. It's highly precious but it's your opinion*. 

Let us move on to the second often read answer.

**2. Often authors are there with multiple posts.**

This reason is for me simple to defuse.
Where do you get the imagination from that an author can only be with one post on the trending page?

Same as before; You think that this should not be that way and this is totally fine. It's your right, and we have to respect that. But you can't give your opinion a general scope unless there is a law that says an author can only be with one post on the trending page. From what I know a law like that doesn't exist. It doesn't mean that this would solve some of the problems, but again, it's your opinion.

**My advise here**: *Again, don't give your opinion a general scope. An author can be with multiple posts on the trending page. Why not?*

Let me add something. This reasoning is a good example of hiding the actual meaning. I will come to that later.

The third often read answer and this is the most important one and includes every reason I mentioned before.

**3. All posts on the trending page are just boosted there with bid bots. How can this be good? It's says nothing about the quality of a post.**

It sounds similar to the first one but here the emphasis is not **boosted** not like in the first one **low-quality**
![Perception.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmZFLaXRVDdqvVdqCBTMBFvSVPmPitftsdAqitAinRqtks)


Here I have to elaborate a bit more.
You know much has to do with perception. How you see something or which perspective you are looking at.

Yes, most contributions are boosted into this section, and yes, they are getting the most exposure. The current trending page doesn't show the best, original, unique content what many people think should include me. It shows the posts, which fulfils the current parameters to get there. And this is which posts get high upvotes in a specif amount of time! And there the bid bots come in. 

![Promoted Posts.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTfgQivthEY7zwXx6a3r4iSJw2n9cdmCzgqLZ25X4qMyC)


For me, the trending page is a section of advertised contributions. I think like that. To advertise in general is nothing wrong with. Our whole economy works with advertising. With that in mind, I can never be frustrated because I know it has nothing to do with the actual content. 

Here comes one problem. You see those people over and over again there, and you see the high pending rewards and can't believe that it is like that.

My question: **Would you think the same way when the trending page would always be filled with brands like Coca-Cola, Aidas, Nike, Redbull, Mc Donalds?**
![brands.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmRLkkAoEwkywyZa5Uchex7tmgbYji8Vb27jAfNbAef6iu)


I can imagine that it could be that you would not see it the same way as you maybe do now. And again I have to say that I'm not saying that it is for sure like that.

This is what I mean with perception. You perceive brands differently than normal people like you and me. 
By Brands, you could think: *Yes, they have the resources to advertise their articles on the trending page, because they want to generate sales or whatever.*

Look, maybe you even chose a different word. Advertise not boosted. 

So now you see people like yourself, no brand nothing special but they are always on the trending page. People like you and me. You perceive these people totally differently. And for that, you might judge differently. You start comparing yourself with them. Again I'm saying that it could, not that it is.

By those people, you don't see it as advertisement you see it as boosted, something evil. A tool which helps them to get there not because they deserve it because they have more resources. 

**STOP!**

Now we are coming closer friends.
Nike, Adidas, Redbull, Mc Donalds Coca-Cola have resources you don't have, but what if there are people here on Steemit who also have resources you don't have and are using them? People you are inwardly comparing with.

Could it be that your frustration is revealing a Problem **you have** and not the system? By the way, a system can have errors for sure and also the Steemit system is not water prove but let's focus on you. 
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**What is the real problem with the boosted trending page?**
Could it be that the real problem is that you don't have what those have? You don't have the resources to boost yourself up there and getting much more exposure maybe new readers, more upvotes, more comments, more followers?
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So the real problem could not be low-quality posts, also not the authors there with multiple posts, also not that they are boosted in a system which allows that. No, the real problem with the trending page could be that you don't have the resources to get there. Or simply expressed: **You want what other people have!**And maybe you are trying to cover this with reasons which sound noble but are not your real problem.

We are moving in the area of greed and envy people.
People, these evil​ feelings​ already triggered wars in history. And we see some of them here.

![Ballon D'or.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmRNvEzpvaZMKUpseuWp1ugZkHZBSgscBceLiSsiPvFx3f)


The last decade the Ballon D'or(Highest award in professional football) went to only two players. Lionel Messi and Christiano Ronaldo. What should other amazing players say? The system is unfair! Make it like this; **A player can't win the Ballon door in a row**. 
![lionel_messi__cristiano_ronaldo__by_shibilymv7-daqtlg5.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmcXL5uzoh8NddEc3HExtyqY71811P3xzePu4rcUUVaJaL)

Guys c'mon. It's not how it works. Those two players have skills and resources​ and are using​ them year after year. Both of them have the privilege two play in the best teams of the world. Imagine Lionel Messi even from his very beginning. Imagine he would have started by Borussia Dortmund for example, his career would have been different maybe he would never have gotten the Ballon D'or.
![cristiano-ronaldo-ou-messi-jardim-nous-donne.jpg](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmRoTiA194n2FC8MhQGntxasgrtbSWt71YGqeby3gXeBZg)

But it is like it is folks.

We have to accept that there will always be people who have something we don't have. But this doesn't make everything else unfair. And we are not getting a solution by always complaining and playing Steemit police. Instead, we should focus on that what we have, and how we can use it to make the best out of it. And people already proved that it works even without being a whale or dolphin. 
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Don't get me, wrong guys. As I said, in the beginning, I am not here to take a side. I am trying maybe to reveal the actual problem. I also believe that we need a more content-oriented trending page with different parameters. I believe that many things need to be improved. Also that it is neccessary when we see some grievances​ to bring the attention to that and to talk about it. But in a respectful way. 

The one you're complaining about doesn't even know you. Maybe. But you are wasting your energy. I want that you learn to enjoy your Steemit journey even there are many things lacking or people not playing right in your opinion or maybe really.

![Back to perception.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/Qmb41NGsqhoRYjsehVFtyS3a7EYWmDhDXyPJxhJ1ZvdP1w)


Maybe you came here and you thought that everyone has the same chance of earning money. Then you realize that it isn't that way and you become bitter. Let's change how we perceive things here on this platform for your own good. Let's take what we have and this is in every case different an move on.
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Not everyone has the same starting position but let me tell you something​.
**Winning from the pole position is an advantage but it's not a story. Starting from far behind and then having​ a pole position is a way ​better story. And I believe that it is possible.**
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![MP Banner.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdNrk1Qw6Kx7dJY2t1ovEqd8RS3SDX2LeuJYZri9YLa5T)

<center>**Again if you want to read the previous post with a different focus.**</center>
[![Is Steemit going down?.png](https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmWqYR8ugjEV7TTMnLai5CTKiFDLVMoqHGAgFJ3shtV5qL)](https://busy.org/@modernpastor/is-steemit-going-down-read-what-i-think-maybe-you-see-it-the-same-way)
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@blessed-girl ·
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Greetings, I totally agree with you. We all have different perspectives and the fact that I do not like something does not mean that I should not like others or if, on the contrary, something seems very good to me, it does not mean that it seems to others. In my particular case most of the articles that call my attention to my husband usually do not attract him and those that attract him do not attract me and that does not mean they are bad, there is simply diversity of tastes and that's what life and the community are about, if we all had the same tastes there would only be one theme, one option for all, so the important thing is to accept the variety and choose what we like and what we do not like Your audience will have it if you appreciate and value it.
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@modernpastor ·
What an awesome comment. Well said, sister. I can't add something more :)
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@conradt ·
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Interesting way of looking at it!

I have warying thoughts on using bid bots to get to the trending page, and they keep changing!

I guess if you look at it as advertising then whoever has the most money will get the most visibility (this is how it works in the real world as you said). Think fo advertising during the superbowl for instance it costs something like 10mill for a 30 second ad. Im sure theres better content they could advertise during that time but -'Cash is king'.

Until there is changes people will continue to use (and abuse) bid bots.

My suggestion is to make an 'organic' trending page

https://steemit.com/steemit/@conradt/make-the-trending-page-great-again-organic-trending

Thanks for the thought provoking article!
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@modernpastor ·
You hit a point. Cash is king.
When someone is aware of that it will not be frustrating because it’s says nothing about the actual content. 

An organic trending page?
Sounds great 👍🏾:)
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@conradt ·
Sorry thought i had replied to this

Yeah It is just an idea and now I have heard it from someone else who has more knowledge of coding etc so maybe it could go somewhere
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@energyaddict22 ·
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I'm disappointed in myself for not finding you on Steemit earlier! You are making the obvious and most brilliant point here. Quality is subjective when it comes to posts (writing and art in general). In futbol and in athletics, we have some clearer definition of what is "high quality/performance". We can use statistics that help us to base our opinions more on fact and not on emotion. There will always be frustration on the part of the "have not's" towards the "have's". I think we spend way too much time worrying about how much money and attention other people are getting and not enough of our time focusing on improving our own situation (growing our accounts, finding recognition for our efforts, etc.). I'm still editing my own post on this exact topic. You have a new follower in me. Thanks for keeping it real. All the best to you, stay healthy and happy.
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@gladysob ·
todos vemos las cosas diferentes por eso opinamos distinto
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@hopehuggs · (edited)
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That is an interesting way of looking at it, I have not seen or thought about it in that way.  Human nature dicates that 'everyone' will never be happy with the trending page, but just because one person doesn't find the information of interest or quality, doesn't meant that another person won't.

It is far from perfect, but I have to admit I rarely look at the trending page, but looking at at your screenshot, there is one article that got me interested and I'm off to read it now.
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@modernpastor ·
Thanks for leaving this great comment. I can just agree with you. :)
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@ibrah87 ·
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The connection you made with the ballon d'or is spot on. And the real question is, for a minow like me,  if i don't use bots and i don't have too much followers, how do i share my ideas with steemians ? Even if my articles are the best ever, nobody would notice them if i don't promote them.
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@modernpastor ·
Again a thoughtful comment.
I would be interested if you already figured out a proper solution for that?
Sorry for my late response.
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@ibrah87 ·
Thanks for this @modernpastor. i have proposed a solution in one of my posts, feel free to read : https://steemit.com/steemit/@ibrah87/un-trending-page-juste-et-si-on-ajoutait-un-nouveau-bouton-de-vote-a-fair-trending-page-what-if-we-create-a-new-vote-button

Between, you guys fought well. good luck for second leg against marseille!
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@jeeuuzz ·
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Hello Sir, this is very interesting blog post, full of knowledge and quality content, thank you putting such a effort in creating this and sharing to everybody,  just one question of you don't mind, are you really a pastor? 😂😂😂 I'm just curious 😂
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@modernpastor ·
Thanks, ​my friend :)
So if you mean the traditional meaning of pastor? Then the answer is no. :)
When we just look at the characteristics of a pastor than I would say I have some of them :)
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@jeeuuzz ·
Nice! I get it now.  Thanks for replying, excited to read your next blog post.  More powers to you Sir! Godlbess.  
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@jongolson ·
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Thoughtful post sir. I had to re-read it a few times to really take it all in.

As a new Steemian, I try to stay away from all drama concerning the trending pages / bid bots / flags etc...And the reason being, it's not so much a concern of being in the middle of  a fight....It's that I don't feel 'qualified' enough to give an opinion.

I'm still new and learning. But a few things you said stuck out to me...

> My advise for this answer: Don't make your subjective opinion a law for everybody else and believe they think the same as you. Your opinion is just your opinion. It's highly precious but it's your opinion.

This is so true. I mean, who knows what people will think of your posts, of mine, of the next persons...They may love it or hate it. I personally love  to learn from a various group of Steemians. 

Some are loved, some are hated. I just enjoy learning :)

> I also believe that we need a more content-oriented trending page with different parameters. 

With the 'hive communities' this should take care of that? I think the more different categories and individual communities on the platform, the better. You won't have to worry so much what is trending unless it's in your 'circle of vision.'

Who knows the answer. I personally don't have a problem with the trending page because I rarely, if ever, go there. I enjoy reading and taking in the content from the people I follow.

That keeps me plenty busy LOL
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@modernpastor ·
Thanks, my friend. 
You're doing the right thing. In my beginning, I was also just looking and learning because I​ had the same feeling you have right now. And It's important to talk about that but it can be also too much. 

Yesterday I heard the first time about the hive community. Excited to see what will comes up with them. Is there already something clear?
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@jongolson ·
It was mentioned on the Steemit blog, here's the post if you wanna check it out. Sounds exciting and VERY technical lol Way above my pay grade lol

https://steemit.com/steem/@steemitblog/update-communities-hivemind
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@kingtamarah ·
u right man
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@leahlei ·
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I believe this should be discussed by witnesses. I have listened to MSP-PAL before hosted by @aggroed and I remember they have talked about this topic. Trending post are those with the highest upvotes by bot _most of the time_ and I agree there is no problem with this. Maybe there is really a need for a Steemit police who will also filter the posts in the **Trending list** and maybe the ones with the highest upvotes by bots can be tagged as **PROMOTED POST.** Just sharing my thoughts @modernpastor! This is an awesome post that should be included on the **Trending list.**😊👏❤
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@modernpastor ·
$0.03
I love when you share your thoughts and they are good ones :) 

I think I’m this area something will happen for sure ^^

Thanks for your encouraging words sister :)
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@leahlei ·
You're very much welcome! 😊Thank you very much too @modernpastor!😄❤
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@murphylee ·
This is a huge fact :
>All posts on the trending page are just boosted there with bid bots. How can this be good? It's says nothing about the quality of a post.



THE FACT IT'S TRENDING DOESN'T MAKE IT A GOOD POST!
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@modernpastor ·
It's exactly what I said.
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@murtaza78 ·
Informative...
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@new-york ·
Wonderful post ..Best of luck friend ✫

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You got a 1.72% upvote from @postpromoter courtesy of @modernpastor!

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@rehan12 ·
It has been some time I have been through the trending pots and to be honest there are some posts that I do not really get as i am in not that field and I do really get that the effort given down in that post is quite great, so it deserves to be there and yes I like the example of Messi & Cr7 ,all cannot be the best only the selected can be there .

They must have worked their way out there so deserve it !

I really appreciate the words of yours !
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@modernpastor ·
$0.02
Thanks, ​my friend :) 
Yes, I was thinking that this is a matching comparison ^^
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@sequentialvibe · (edited)
It has been a long time since I even looked at the trending page! It is funny that jerrybanfield is always there LOL!
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@modernpastor ·
Haha :D Yes, he is everytime there but honestly he is delivering in my opinion.
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@sequentialvibe ·
I agree with you on that...he does deliver!
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@tomilolafadipe ·
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Rightly said sir, everybody has the right to their opinions. You see opinions are made through what we have perceived.
Firstly I would say boosting posts is like promoting the post. In my perception it is, getting your content to be viewed by a large number of people, this is because you have certainty of the quality of your content. I see it as someone putting their highly valuable content out there to the advantage of everyone who reads it.
It may have been a different game if Lionel Messi started from say Cruzeiro FC, but he started in a great team.
See Ronaldo, started low and still got to the top. These two men should be amongst the wonders of the world. Maybe it becomes 9 wonders.
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@modernpastor ·
Awesome comment my friend.
Also what you ad about Ronaldo and Messi is hitting the point. Messi started from a great team Ronaldo came from a different direction but both are the best players in the world. 

Thanks for your comment my friend :)
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@tomilolafadipe ·
Thank you so much @modernpastor.
I always get more knowledge each time I read through the lines of your post.
Thanks to steemit that allows for rapport with you. I am a preacher and a coach in one of the amarteur leagues in my country. So my love for soccer is out of this world. 
Gracias
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@transparencybot · (edited)
<h3>This post, with over $50.00 in bidbot payouts, has received votes from the following:</h3>

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@tressareid ·
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I totally agree this is the case. I have seen it from that perspective from day one. It sucks not being able to get on the trending page right yet, but I can't hate those that are.
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@modernpastor ·
With that thinking,​ you avoid so much headache. Thanks for leaving a comment :)
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