Well, everyone seems to be talking about blockchain constitutions these days, and as expected, there's a lot of concern and confusion. This is a big change, to embed a construct of law, namely, a constitution, into the very genesis block of a new blockchain. I can all but hear the voices crying out, "But didn't we create blockchains to get away from these tried-and-failed, stone-age legal constructs? Why would we throw all that away by incorporating that very same thing we're trying to progress beyond into the innermost core of a new chain?" I understand this perspective, because it was one I might've held myself had I not studied law, the good parts and the bad, and come to understand, at its most fundamental level, what law is, and how _law_ differs from the _legal codes_ imposed by modern nation-states, codes which are a corruption and inversion of a system of law that, properly understood and applied, forms a consistent and principled framework within which disputes can be handled. # Law According to Modprobe As one who understands law (or, at the least, believes he does), I hope to clarify in this post the purpose of law. I make no promise that anyone else on earth will agree with this description of law, but it's how I think about it, and I believe it is more or less compatible with similar descriptions put forth by many historical lawyers. Just like the heading says, this is "Law According to Modprobe," and I will attempt to convey to the readers an understanding of law which I find quite powerful, but otherwise make no promises about. So let's start off by defining terms. In the following discussion, Law, at its most basic level, can be thought of as "the rules and standards which people define and voluntarily agree shall govern their interactions with eachother." Note, dear reader, that to understand the following discussion, you will need to adopt a blank slate, reasoning only from my definitions presented herein, and not definitions you've heard elsewhere. Those definitions probably don't match mine, and thus will muddy the message making it nonsense rather than a clear, consistent thought or idea. Any argument against the nonsense idea will itself be, to me, a nonsense idea, and productive conversation will be impossible until and unless we can understand eachother's terms. With respect to law, I want to dispel two notions straight away. First, what modern states like to call "law," the legal codes they coercively impose via their "legislatures" and enforce through their "courts" -- this is not law. This is legal codes masquerading as law. The cognitive gymnastics necessary to argue under law that these legal codes are somehow law over you and I are so elaborate and complex, having slowly and inexorably accreted through the passage of thousands of obscure and opaque "laws" (legal codes) over the course of millennia, that most likely no one fully understands them, and that is probably the point: the codes are so complex that no one _can_ point out where exactly the mistakes are, and even if they could, their arguments would be so convoluted (because the code itself is so convoluted), few others would understand the arguments enough to argue that they were correct, and thus the system continues unabated, the status quo unshaken. Second, "Law," as I use the term, is not prescriptive, it is descriptive. It does not define how people should act; rather, it describes how they agree to act. Law is a description of the interactions of human beings. It is the mutually understood context within which people communicate and interact with each other. All meaningful interpersonal communication occurs within a context which must be mutually understood for communication to succeed. This context of shared understanding includes not only comparatively well-defined categories such as a language, grammar, and vocabulary; but also more loosely defined categories such as a particular dialect or jargon within that language, and the worldview (beliefs, experiences, mindset, philosophy, etc) of the communicators. All of this context which is understood and accepted between a group of people is referred to as the law between that group of people. At this point, we begin to recognize this notion as what we normally think of as Law: when people in a society agree that they will not do X, and anyone who does X will suffer certain consequences, we often refer to this as a "law against X." We also recognize lawlessness: if someone enters this society and, whether due to ignorance of the "law against X," or disregard of it, does X anyways, this is, according to the other people in the society, lawless behavior, punishable by law. The new person has "broken the law" of the society. Note, however, that he has not broken his _own_ law: he may honestly believe himself blameless. Now here's the mindwarp: *in Law,* neither party in the above scenario is in the right or wrong. This is because there was no "law against X" in the law shared between the old members of the society and the new one, since law only exists as the _shared_ context, and the "law against X" was not shared with the new member. This is a mindwarp because most people aren't accustomed to Law having ambiguity; rather, they expect it to define in (ideally) all circumstances exactly how to proceed. Should the new member be punished according to community laws, or should he be let off because he intended no harm, or something else entirely? Law gives us no answer to this, because there is no defined law between the old and new members. The people will do something, though, regardless of airy discussions about law. In perfect likelihood, the old members of the society might prosecute and punish the new member under their own law; however, by the new member's standards, this is lawless because they are applying their own law to him in violation of his own, and he never consented to their law. Note that one response the community could choose, which even the new member would not regard as lawless, would be to let the offender off with a warning of the society's laws, with perhaps a requirement that the new member agree to these laws in order to remain a member of the society. Once this happens, the new member would be bound by the "law against X" because he chose to agree to it. If we assume that it is _ideal_ for there to be the least 'lawlessness' possible (note that this cannot be proven: we've defined the word 'lawlessness' to apply to certain behaviors, but it's a separate discussion, out of scope for this post, whether those behaviors are good or bad), the forgive-but-demand-agreement approach is a better solution than punishing the offender under a law to which he never consented. The society feels the new member acted lawlessly, but that ship has sailed; at least it's still possible to prevent the new member from feeling the society acted lawlessly as well. Be cognizant, also, that this _ideal_ to minimize perception of lawlessness is a subjectively defined ideal, since lawlessness is subjective (defined by people, who may have conflicting definitions, rather than by nature, which has no contradictions). Now that we've established our definition of Law, we can see how it describes the interactions between people, but we don't yet see why it's worth thinking about: all we've done is point out that people don't always agree on how to behave, and we've named cases where they don't "lawlessness." So to bring this mental model a bit closer to reality, we observe that this system of thinking called Law could actually help people interact more peacefully if they could codify laws. Then, anytime they encounter someone unfamiliar with their laws, they can provide that code to the newcomer. At this point, the newcomer has a few choices: to accept the law and thereby interact with the community; to reject the law, and thereby ostracize himself from the community; or to lie and claim to accept the law without any intent to do so. In the first two cases, the result is more or less ideal: no one has observed any lawlessness. Law has been upheld universally. In the final case, however, we might ask, what good was the law? It was still broken, even though it was known. One advantage that can be noted to using Law in this situation, however, is that the use of Law forced the newcomer to out himself as a fraudulent and malicious individual: his actions were intentionally malicious to the community. Note also how my framework of Law handles this third scenario, where the newcomer intentionally violates the community's laws... All people are entitled to define their own laws, and the laws which are shared between people govern their interactions, and by codifying these laws they can smooth relations with others and minimize the likelihood of any "lawless" behavior. So the origin of all Law is the individual, who defines his own. The malicious newcomer, however, has done something different; he has defined two laws for himself: one he claims to abide by, and one he really abides by. Moreover, these laws are contradictory to each other. Law is a description of things in nature, and nature cannot have contradictions, thus it cannot be said that, under my framework of Law, this malicious newcomer has any law at all because the closest thing he has to a law is a contradiction. Thus the community could, in full honesty to my framework of Law, take action against this malicious individual without performing, in anyone's view, a lawless act: the only law they could be violating is the newcomer's, but he volunteered to forfeit his law: in full opportunity and ability to define a law, he chose not to. I leave it to the reader to discern whether it is a feature or a bug, this 'loophole' allowing Lawful punishment of intentionally malicious individuals who did not agree to the law under which they are punished. This concludes my overview of how I think about Law. Once again, I do not necessarily expect anyone to agree that this analysis is valid or useful; I merely assert that it is valid and useful to me. I also honestly believe it to be closely parallel to the understanding of law of any classic lawyer (for instance, I can describe British Common Law using this framework; if that would be interesting to readers, let me know in the comments), though our choices in vocabulary will undoubtedly differ widely, making the parallels more difficult to discern. # Law and the Blockchain Congratulations, dear reader, on making it so far into this treatise. It's almost over. :) In conclusion, I would like to revisit the question of a constitution and a blockchain. Let us assume, within my framework of Law, that a Constitution is any document which attempts to codify a particular framework of law, which can then be used as a codified law that people can voluntarily accept, and acceptance is required to interact within the community. Once this has been done, ambiguity is eliminated: all members of the community know the law over their interactions in the community because it is (1) codified, and (2) voluntarily accepted by all members. There can be no further dispute of what the law says, nor which law(s) might be applicable. The advantages of this approach should be self-evident. The only room left for dispute is interpretation of the codified law, thus a good constitution will be as unambiguous and complete as possible. Furthermore, the right of all individuals to engage in contracts of private association, which is what such a constitution is, is recognized under international law, thus compelling all nations which claim to follow international law to recognize the legitimacy of this private association. Furthermore, if the state argues that it's laws compel some change in blockchain state (i.e. a legally mandated hard-fork), it will be unable to enforce this on the real blockchain, since the real blockchain defines its own lawful jurisdiction, distinct from the state's, and in the blockchain's jurisdiction, the state law does not exist. Thus no state agent may apply the state's mandated change to the blockchain without violating blockchain law, which state courts are compelled by international law to uphold, because in order to modify the blockchain, the state agent was required to sign a transaction, which signs the blockchain constitution. Thus by embedding a constitution in the blockchain, it creates a lawful jurisdiction removed from, and not subject to, the laws of any state, and the states are compelled under international law to respect that lawful jurisdiction. Thus there is an ironclad lawful argument that no action on the blockchain can possibly violate a state's law, and no penalty assigned under state law can be applied to the blockchain. Beware, however, that states are known for using laws to accomplish their own ends, and ignoring them otherwise. These states are fundamentally lawless institutions, so a lawful argument alone is no guarantee of safety. Law is intended to describe and make clear the behaviors of people, but it cannot control them. --- https://i.imgur.com/23Dh8S1.jpg > With a background in software development and a passion for security, Nathan has identified blockchain technology as his niche. He is dedicated to creating applications which empower individuals to shape a better world for themselves and others.
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Good times bud. A constitution is a strong play. You may recall me talking about it a few months before it was cool! https://media4.giphy.com/media/Zy2H3rtcczV96/giphy.gif?response_id=59223a2aa6add509d27524d8
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Great information. It's going to be a fascinating experiment. I think a lot of things are possible.
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> ...and nature cannot have contradictions I appreciate the clarity of your argument, but the above statement is obviously false if we consider the description of nature offered by quantum physics.
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Nature having no contradictions is axiomatic, so I'm not going to argue over it. You'll simply have to decide for yourself what you wish to believe. But the proposition that "nature has no contradictions" is binary-equivalent to the one that "existence exists." I very much doubt that quantum physics implies nature has contradictions. I think it does argue that nature is not always resolved to a particular non-contradictory state, with the classic example being Schrödinger's cat: It's not defined by nature whether the cat is alive or dead, but this is not a contradiction, since neither possible collapse is itself a contradiction. The state is simply unresolved. Nature does not have contradictions, though. I hold this as axiomatic and will not attempt to prove it, but it's still true. If modern quantum physics indicates otherwise, it's either arguing something not quite the same, or it's simply wrong. :-)
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Very interesting ... even if complicated to read for a 'layman' (concerning law) and English non-native speaker ...
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@modprobe very interesting stuff I need to do more homework thanks for the great info
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Nice article and in-depth analysis keep rocking
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nice info...
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Nice post!!
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@modprobe Great contente, I appreciate the time you take to educate me.
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you did good on this post and thank you
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Constitutions are not law, rather they define the fundamental principles (in the moral / ethical sense), conditions which _constitute_ a community, and how members of that community relate to each other and their rights and commitments. It also specifies how laws are to be made but itself contains no laws. In general they are hard to change, whereas laws are much easier to change. This is an issue I saw also with @dantheman 's recent constitution, which I presume this article is at least partially in response to. The only way for it to be interpreted as law is if it is not a constitution and is actually something like "ground rules". Again, the constitution is intended to lay out the principles which then constrain which rules can be made. Your redefinition of law is very strange I have to say. I know you qualified your artistic license many times, but still. In particular this assertion > So the origin of all Law is the individual, who defines his own. For law to have any meaning at all it is between people in a community. The origin of law is social. That pretty much sets me up against the entirety of your system here. I'll also say that I find the reliance on proof from first principles to be confounding. The sandbox world you have imagined has no practical application possible, except perhaps allowing someone to sit on a very high horse and declare their own actions "legal" because Law as they recognize it is derived completely from themselves. It's nonsense. --- You have a logical miscalculation here: > Furthermore, the right of all individuals to engage in contracts of private association, which is what such a constitution is, is recognized under international law, thus compelling all nations which claim to follow international law to recognize the legitimacy of this private association. Furthermore, if the state argues that it's laws compel some change in blockchain state (i.e. a legally mandated hard-fork), it will be unable to enforce this on the real blockchain, since the real blockchain defines its own lawful jurisdiction, distinct from the state's, and in the blockchain's jurisdiction, the state law does not exist. Thus no state agent may apply the state's mandated change to the blockchain without violating blockchain law, which state courts are compelled by international law to uphold, because in order to modify the blockchain, the state agent was required to sign a transaction, which signs the blockchain constitution. > Thus by embedding a constitution in the blockchain, it creates a lawful jurisdiction removed from, and not subject to, the laws of any state, and the states are compelled under international law to respect that lawful jurisdiction. [...] Laws (or legal codes in your terminology) of the land can only be superseded by contracts in some cases, and these are often just waving rights which can explicitly _be_ waved. Some rights however cannot be waved, for example you cannot contract yourself as a slave to someone, not even with your consent. You can "contract" for someone to kill you in some states but only within the highly regulated system of Physician Aid in Dying. Even though many people believe ending one's own life is one's own prerogative, it's illegal and no contract can make it legal. In your argument I think you must be talking about freedom of association, which is guaranteed not only by international law but all modern democracies own laws. This does not extend to contracts however, which are governed by different laws. It is very euphemistic to say that people coming together enacts a contract. A blockchain cannot, by this fraudulent slight of hand, define a jurisdiction. Again, the laws of the land supersede it. Just to clarify, I do not necessarily support this framework, but it's the reality of _now_ and worth looking at plainly. You cannot use the defence here of your own "Law" definition because you are claiming that government would be forced to recognize this sequence. They would not. I take the time to say all this because there _is_ a strength to blockchains and this is not it. The strength is that it is completely impractical for the government to attempt to control a blockchain because they would have to firstly have a majority of the nodes (depending on the consensus algorithm) within their own borders, and then forcefully take control of these nodes and perform a coordinated hardfork. I can't imagine this being done by any other means than physical force, like actually breaking down the door etc. There are no legal means for them to decree a "legally mandated hard-fork", and if they were to invent this it would simply destroy that chain. Blockchains are designed to resist this by making nodes relatively easy to set up and run, and encouraging an international network. > Thus there is an ironclad lawful argument that no action on the blockchain can possibly violate a state's law, and no penalty assigned under state law can be applied to the blockchain. Beware, however, that states are known for using laws to accomplish their own ends, and ignoring them otherwise. These states are fundamentally lawless institutions, so a lawful argument alone is no guarantee of safety. This argument is not ironclad in any sense. Once you have evoked international law and appeal to state / national law, your own idea of Law cannot interact and the idea of the state being compelled by "blockchain law" does not hold. --- Also I would like to read this: > I can describe British Common Law using this framework; if that would be interesting to readers, let me know in the comments Mainly because I cannot imagine how you could do it and would be really interested to see it and perhaps be proven wrong. --- Also complete side note, I saw the pictures from your recent accident and hope you are recovering well. All the best. 🙂 --- Edit: I forgot to say, easier in the piece you were talking about whether or not someone can be held to the laws of a jurisdiction when they don't know them. This is called [Ignorantia juris non excusat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat) and is pretty established. I know you're going for a redefinition here but there's an argument for this holding regardless. > The rationale of the doctrine is that if ignorance were an excuse, a person charged with criminal offenses or a subject of a civil lawsuit would merely claim that one was unaware of the law in question to avoid liability, even if that person really does know what the law in question is. Thus, the law imputes knowledge of all laws to all persons within the jurisdiction no matter how transiently. Even though it would be impossible, even for someone with substantial legal training, to be aware of every law in operation in every aspect of a state's activities, this is the price paid to ensure that willful blindness cannot become the basis of exculpation. Thus, it is well settled that persons engaged in any undertakings outside what is common for a normal person, such as running a nuclear power plant, will make themselves aware of the laws necessary to engage in that undertaking. If they do not, they cannot complain if they incur liability.
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You did not fully understand me, but I don't know if anyone will. This is part of a mental context that I've been working on for years, and it's impossible to find one specific place to start explaining it. There are a couple points where I can nudge you closer to understanding my meaning, though: > For law to have any meaning at all it is between people in a community. The origin of law is social. Yes, for law to *have any meaning*, it must be shared context, understood by multiple people. That's what I said. But the *origin* of law is *not* social. There is no such object in the universe as 'society' -- society is an abstraction, an umbrella term we made up to make it easier to think and talk about groups of people. Thus society can't _do_ or _make_ anything; the idea that society does or makes things is just an abstraction, generalizing away the details of the individuals interacting within that society to do or create the things. So when I talk about Law, I am talking about the origin; I'm talking about where the thing you call law comes from. And for something as fundamental as law, isn't it important to understand where it comes from? :-) As to your commentary on ignorance of the law... Here's our disconnect. From your quote: > Thus, the law imputes knowledge of all laws to all persons within the jurisdiction no matter how transiently. The disconnect is at *within the jurisdiction.* You (and Wikipedia) assume all people to be within some jurisdiction already, which is perhaps their mindset, but it is not natural, and certainly not necessary, and for the purposes of deep, thorough understanding, not ideal. People consent to the rules of whatever other jurisdictions they consent to be in, and those rules may say whatever about their interactions with a constitutional blockchain; however, the blockchain and its data are a separate jurisdiction, and do not follow (by law) the whims of any particular state. Once again, I understand that states will frequently spin some legal sorcery bullshit at you to claim a lawful right to aggress against you, but unless you consent to be in their jurisdiction (in which case, why complain? It's what you asked for. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes), then that's all nonsense because they don't own you, and you didn't harm them. They can hurt you anyways, and that's base thuggery, and it sucks, and the fact that it was unlawful doesn't make it hurt less. So plan your behavior accordingly. :-) > The sandbox world you have imagined has no practical application possible, except perhaps allowing someone to sit on a very high horse and declare their own actions "legal" because Law as they recognize it is derived completely from themselves. It's nonsense. The beginning of wisdom is calling things by their proper names. Thuggery and lawlessness are thuggery and lawlessness, regardless of whether the thug wields a badge or a gavel or any other talismans, and regardless of whether he can confuse you with legal incantations. When you understand the origin of law, you understand that these trappings do not legitimize the behavior in the least, they only trick people into submission.
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I had these specific contentions, which I'll go further into: 1. Constitutions are not law, they constrain law 2. The origin of law is social 3. Where you have invoked international law, you are being inconsistent in using your definition of law with theirs - they are incompatible. Your argument cannot work on principle because of this. The first point we'll let go as you didn't address it. To the second, I'll add some detail. I did not say that society makes laws, I said that the origin of law is social. That is, there is no reason to create law without society, or in other words, without relationships between people. And where two or more people live, there is some society. I think we basically agree on this. But probably not this: **Laws codify the boundaries of those relationships.** For example it is generally accepted (right?) that we feel biologically compelled to take care of our children, due to a combination of instincts and feelings / emotions. Further to that we are _taught_ that we should take care of children and how we should do it, both implicitly and explicitly. Further again is that this relationship of care giving is exactly codified and importantly _enforced_ by law. These laws in particular are based around the way things are and guarding against the way things also are but we decide they should not be, because of the obvious harm caused. It's accepted that there is some minimum standard below which we are neglecting them at best, or abusing them at worst, and this is written into law. It doesn't matter if you accept it or not, it will be applied to you. One of the things laws in a social context also do is protect those who break the law from punishment which is out of proportion or against the principles of the society. Justice is taken out of the hands of the general public and into the hands of the agents of the state. So if you abuse a child you cannot then be decapitated, your house burned down and your entrails sent to your relatives. Perhaps this is too much protection, but that's part of the idea of it. This idea of law, as prescriptive, is explicitly antithetical to your view: > Second, "Law," as I use the term, is not prescriptive, it is descriptive. It does not define how people should act; rather, it describes how they agree to act. Law is a description of the interactions of human beings. [...] All of this [communicative] context which is understood and accepted between a group of people is referred to as the law between that group of people. Law may be descriptive, but is always prescriptive, by the fact that there are consequences to not following it. They are two sides of the same coin, given that there actually _are_ consequences. Where law comes from is not the individual. It is a collaboration between individuals. If laws are not generally reflective of the views of the populous, they will often not be followed. Law and the idea of law has been inherited from our ancestors of the ancient past and in this way it is social too, and not reinvented every generation by every individual. We do not have a record of a civilization without socially defined and originated law. What this implies is that your definition is extremely individualistic. You mention the community but I hazard that your views are more in line with individualist anarchism, and the idea that community coercion on the individual is never acceptable. --- On point 3, at its core, I read that you believe jurisdiction requires _your individual consent_. The same argument can be made with respect to any system of power, that if those who are "subject" to it do not consent then it has no power. This has been mythologized by the movie The Matrix for example, where when Neo finally gets how to free his mind, it's just not obeying the rules. It's a powerful image. However it rests on the premise that the only thing making us subject to these things are ourselves. This is also a common theme in political activism as it inevitably strikes you "what if we all just didn't do what we're told?" Again, compelling. The reason why we cannot simply think ourselves out of oppression though is that it is physical, so resistance requires either escaping influence, by distance or hiding, or mass coordinated action. Sure, this _starts_ with thinking, but requires action, and in the later case also communication, agreement, etc. An individual cannot wish away the power of the state nor the jurisdictions that it defines. The idea comes to us, well jurisdictions are just agreed areas. True. They are "made up" the same way anything between people is, by agreement. The question is always, **what happens if I don't recognize this? What power do they have over me?** Often it is the real power which makes the "imaginary" agreements real. Bullets, battons, water cannons, prisons, property seizure, etc. are all real. Other things are less real, such as restraining orders, contracts, etc., but they are always backed up by force. There are many current serious conflicts over jurisdiction, i.e. territory. The Kurds come to mind, the Palestinians, Catalonians, and I've even met Texan separatists. In general these are ultimately disputed using violence. There are lots of "micronations" which are not recognized by established states but many of them are nations _de facto_ because of a lack of opposition or assertion of control of the territory of the micronation. I would say that this is tacit recognition, or as good as it. Violence is rare in these cases. For example, the [Republic of Molossia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Molossia), in Nevada, is not recognized by the US and so is and isn't a nation, but the Molossians do consider it a nation. I wonder do they pay taxes to the US? That's usually where these things get to and would be one of the tests of nationhood. So, a blockchain could be a new jurisdiction, in a completely new way, I'll give you that. But your argument to say how a country would be _forced to recognize it under international law_ is incorrect. However what does it mean for it to be a jurisdiction? One cannot live in the blockchain (yet? until we can download ourselves 😉). --- I agree, the application of law can come down to "base thuggery", i.e. force. _Justitia_ (Lady Justice) has scales in one hand but a sword in the other. The idea is that we will want the thug on our side when we are wronged, and protection from it when we are righteous. We all live with this conflict. I think your exercize here has been to try to resolve that conflict. > The beginning of wisdom is calling things by their proper names. Thuggery and lawlessness are thuggery and lawlessness, regardless of whether the thug wields a badge or a gavel or any other talismans, and regardless of whether he can confuse you with legal incantations. I can agree with this. Though I disagree with your redefinition of "law", that the state has power and is often thuggish is true. However saying this is lawlessness is to miss the point. They are just _bad laws_ if they result in thuggishness. You do not object to laws as such, and I have shown that there is no meaning to say one has one's own laws, so this follows. I stated before I think many accept using thuggery when it suits them and I believe this is one of the reasons why these laws survive. The laws or "legal incantations" may be reprehensible to you, but your argument in the piece did not directly attack this nor explore it. I would be interested in reading that if you were to write it. > When you understand the origin of law, you understand that these trappings do not legitimize the behavior in the least, they only trick people into submission. To be clear, you have not laid out the origin of law, but a completely alternative idea of it. That people are tricked into accepting terrible laws is a different issue, one worthy of attention in my view.
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Thank you for a truly enjoyable and informative article Nathan! Ohh and I would be interested in your description of British Common Law using this framework. :)
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Where do I sign? I love the concept of having a jurisdiction that doesn't identify as a nation state. It's the first nail in the coffin for the old way of doing things, I presume.
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Nice perspective! > Beware, however, that states are known for using laws to accomplish their own ends, and ignoring them otherwise. These states are fundamentally lawless institutions, so a lawful argument alone is no guarantee of safety. This is the point that I started to think when I was reading the text. No matter how logical the system is, it doesn't matter if those who are in power don't accept it. That's why I'm more interested in practical applications. It's important to seek for systems that work in the real world and think less about abstract systems that work only in the imagination. I like to contemplate on abstract systems every now and then, but in the end, all that matters is whether or not we can actually use those ideas to make the world a better place.
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Indeed, but it's better if we force the states to abandon their refuge of perceived lawfulness. States claim a monopoly on lawfulness, but in reality they are the world's most lawless institutions. By building our blockchain on a rock-solid foundation of Law that can be understood, at least at a high level, in the reading of an essay, we force states that wish to impose their lawless behavior to clearly and overtly abandon Law and simply say "We don't care about law, we're going to hurt you anyways." Perception of legitimacy is the state's only power. If I take refuge in a jurisdiction that, for states to do harm in, they must first sacrifice their appearance of legitimacy and color of law, I think I've accomplished something truly worthwhile.
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> Perception of legitimacy is the state's only power. The use of force is actually the state's main power. With regards legitimacy, one hand washes the other here. It's not so long ago that legitimacy was clearly defined _in terms of physical power_. (Just adding this here even though I engaged with you in my own comment, as it's a strong statement.)
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> Perception of legitimacy is the state's only power. If I take refuge in a jurisdiction that, for states to do harm in, they must first sacrifice their appearance of legitimacy and color of law, I think I've accomplished something truly worthwhile. This is easier said than done. Because it's all about perception, things like logic have very little power. It's really hard to get a state to lose its perception of legitimacy. They can do pretty horrible stuff and still preserve it. I just wrote more about [my thoughts on blockchain constitution](https://steemit.com/eos/@samupaha/how-to-create-a-founding-document-for-a-blockchain-part-2). Your story in the OP about better law system fits quite well in it. Your story is great and humankind would be getter off if people believed it. But the problem is: how you are going to make people believe it? I've been libertarian for many years. Nowadays I take part in philosophical discussions very rarely because they tend to have zero impact on the real world. No matter how good the system looks on paper, it doesn't matter as long as there are no practical and actionable steps towards it.
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Cool article Nath! I enjoyed reading it.
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