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RE: What is with all the anarchists on Steemit, and why don't they care about violence and justice? by monopoly-man

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· @monopoly-man ·
I appreciate the enlightening post. This is the first time I've been exposed to a structured anarchistic philosophy. I do agree with your point that privatized justice is completely possible and that most "what-ifs" can be straw man arguments. However, there are many benefits of a centralized form of law and order. Let me point to the fact that city, state, and federal law enforcement can work together as one body to fight large organized crime. If law enforcement was decentralized and fragmented, what financial benefit would insurance companies across the nation have to pool resources and fight large organized crime in only one state. What if the large organized crime unit in one city/state is larger than the privatized insurance back law enforcement?
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@piedpiper ·
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The state is just an organized crime syndicate with a monopoly... and the mafia groups that we think of today all make their money mostly from activities that wouldn't be considered crimes at all in a stateless society. There would be no "black market," there would just be the market and everyone would operate in the open.
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@monopoly-man ·
@piedpiper What about the billion dollar human and sex slave trafficking industry?
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@monopoly-man ·
$32 Billion dollars to be exact. 
https://www.unodc.org/documents/human-trafficking/UNVTF_fs_HT_EN.pdf
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@zorrotmm ·
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@piedpiper basically said it, but the only significant organized crime I'm aware of came about due to prohibition.  Alcohol first, and then other drugs when alcohol prohibition ended.  If profitable crime syndicates have historically been dependent on facilitating victimless crimes, I don't see how they could exist without governments that persecute victimless crimes.
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@monopoly-man ·
Not to be repetitive... but...https://www.unodc.org/documents/human-trafficking/UNVTF_fs_HT_EN.pdf

$32 Billion dollars worth of victims.
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@zorrotmm ·
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Sure. A few thoughts.

1.  The people behind sex slavery numbers have been known to sensationalize things by including all kinds of voluntary sex workers as 'trafficked sex slaves', so I would look at these numbers very, very skeptically.
2.  If this is a big problem now, it is a failure of whatever protection services exist in the moment  (i.e. governments)
3.  By making prostitution illegal, the trafficked workers are treated as criminals instead of victims.  So really this is another prohibition problem that wouldn't exist.
4.  Even if it is 32 bil industry (I still think a lot of that is just consensual sex work ), its not a single 32 billion dollar organization to try and fight.  There are a lot of much smaller operations going on.  And that number might be impressive until you look at what the insurance industry is worth.
5.  No one is going to pay for kidnapping insurance that doesn't include attempted recovery services.  No one would just accept a payout and not try to get the loved one back.
6.  Security personnel would be all over this.  You know all those cop movies and dramas where they get pissed off doing bullshit and they can't fight real crime?  This would be the most glorious and satisfying work a security firm could be engaged in.  Employees would be chomping at the bit to get assigned to these cases.
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