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· @neoxian ·
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The Experiment: communication required, this is a social platform
Hello Steemit,

It seems like a group of whales have gathered together and decided to perform an experiment on Steemit.

The experiment is basically this:  What would happen if whales stopped voting?

I will say that this is a fascinating experiment.  So far I've seen that my vote has gone from 2 cents to 5 cents, and that's kind of cool.  It might even go up more if the experiment continues to run for a day or so.  I could have...dare I say..10 cents vote? 

I'm certainly a fan of experiments, but I have a problem with this one:

# Lack of communication

Why oh why couldn't these mighty whales have gotten together and written a post explaining the experiment?  Why it's being done, how long it's going to last, etc.   Another big problem, that since not all the whales have stopped upvoting, some of the remaining whales must down vote those posts to help make the experiment work.  More communication might have mitigated this.

And of course, since now many good posts are being downvoted for apparently no good reason (because again, the reason wasn't communicated) this is going to cause much confusion and strife from many users who won't understand what's going on.

I think a problem is that most of the whales and witness are really awesome at software and math and generally being brainy, but not as good at the touchy-feelings, soft squishy side of things

We have a lot of this:
http://www.bestcollegesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/math-geeks/news.jpg
(pic from www.bestcollegesonline.com)

Need more of this:
http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/15/47/980x490/landscape-1447777451-gettyimages-873115-003.jpg
(pic from Popular Mechanics)


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@azfix ·
Those that provide original content for the platform could do their own experiment and stop using steemit for a few months. It would be just as easy for many of the top original content providers to take a break.  That is an experiment I would like to see and we could make it public and resteemit over and over
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@neoxian ·
This experiment doesn't reduce payouts.  The system pays out the same money every day regardless of who votes.
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@azfix · (edited)
I read that part in the article, not thinking about payouts just experiments
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@shadowspub ·
and what possible benefit on a content driven platform could there be for the content producers to stop doing so? We need more active producers, commenters and curators, not less.
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@azfix ·
Its happening now, and it proves how important original content really is. Its mostly a way of saying that those with the most power need to quit fucking with people.
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@dennygalindo · (edited)
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I have been begging for this experiment since last summer. Great to see it done. I never considered it could work with only some whales involved.

Maybe first stab
https://steemit.com/steemit/@dennygalindo/a-day-of-fasting-on-votes-for-the-whales-9-9-16
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@dreemit ·
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Yup, that about sums it up.
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@fuzzyvest ·
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exactly.  

but you are missing one vital thing: experiments are meant to measure something.  This goes FAR deeper than a lack of communication and shakes the foundations of what makes an experiment an experiment.  

What is the hypothesis?  to my knowledge this is more Throwing Spaghetti on the wall.  Yes the lack of communication was a failure.  But then again there was much more bad to this experiment than good.
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@gavvet · (edited)
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Good perspective on mitigation, Resteemed
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@kenny-crane ·
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Cool experiment! I see my vote went up a bit already.  How did you hear that this was going on?
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@merej99 ·
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Hi @kenny-crane - I saw a post by @abit and then I started to notice a lot of low percentage flags for a lot of posts.  Check out @timcliff's feed. He's got more information as well.  The comments are interesting reading too.
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@kenny-crane ·
Thanks so much; I will do that! :-)
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@neoxian ·
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There are some other posts on the subject and through steemit chat.  There has been no "official" post as far as I know.
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@kenny-crane ·
Thank you, I found a few other posts after I saw yours.  And my up vote of your comment just yielded a penny for you! :-)
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@knircky ·
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Are they trying to kill steem for good?
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@luisucv34 ·
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An interesting experiment, but as you say your, requires better communication to users.
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@merej99 ·
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I'm all for experimentation too...and this is a good thing for us under-whale-ings but communication is severely lacking and that is not going to be a good thing for our peeps.  I appreciate your post and will probably do my own to spread the word.

Now -- if I only knew HOW LONG this experiment would last now that we know it's in process.  hmmm...
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@nigelmarkdias · (edited)
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Take a look at: [The Steemit Test](https://steemit.com/steem/@nigelmarkdias/the-steemit-test-what-s-in-my-heart) which was written [based on a call out](https://steemit.com/steemit/@nigelmarkdias/calling-out-asshole) &  a [quiz on flagging](https://steemit.com/steemit/@nigelmarkdias/does-downvoting-a-post-help-build-steemit-take-the-survey)
What do you think? @neoxian
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@neoxian ·
Thanks, that was an interesting read.  Many people do take downvotes personally (myself included) and this can cause strife and hurt feelings.  This is why I only flag spam and plagiarism, and I've been pretty mellow on the flag lately.
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@nigelmarkdias · (edited)
>  Many people do take downvotes personally (myself included) and this can cause strife and hurt feelings. 

I do too, @neoxian
I'm training myself to have a thicker skin, coated with Teflon.
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@orcish ·
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Lol #daywithoutwhales
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@smooth ·
A downvote was applied to partially counter earlier whale votes as an experiment to reduce whale domination of voting influence. Not intended to express an opinion on the content nor result in a net reduction of rewards or reputation (automated notice)
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@goodguygreg ·
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https://youtu.be/b4KBSc82H8k
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@neoxian ·
Flagged due to disagreement with rewards. ;)
Also, this qualifies as spam since you are posted this same comment all over the place.  I've flagged other accounts that have done similar things.
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@smooth ·
I actually agree on the point of spam and not good beyond a short period. I was asked to post a comment like this when downvoting, so I implemented it. I'm not really sure whether it is better to have such a comment or not.
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@snowflake ·
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Props to the whales for doing this. Hopefully it last a couple days so we can see the real effects.
My guess is that guilds/curation will have to adapt, people will have more power and the rewards will be spread out a lot more which is a very good thing and there will possibly be less bots too.
I'm not sure the price will increase however as this is a temporary thing and people know it won't last

I agree that it is not the best way to do it, but there will always be other greedy whales who don't agree, so it's this or nothing.
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@son-of-satire · (edited)
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I'm with you. This would have been an excellent experiment if conducted correctly and with people being notified.

This is going horribly wrong though. They are downvoting posts way more than the upvotes they have received, corrupting the results... And the timing is just fucked. Tomorrow payouts switch to 7 day cycles, so why would they do something like this without telling anyone on the last day that people have an opportunity to earn a little liquidity. 

My post was trending, and probably would have been top two or three if I hadn't received four downvotes as part of this experiment. I see the cryptofiend lost $50 dollars on their post, that was published nearly a day before the experiment apparently began. I'm wondering how many others had their successful posts murdered because they were good enough to receive a whale vote that had to be counteracted by far more whale downvotes..

There's no point doing such an experiment if everyone is not on board, and clearly, there was not enough effort taken to get everyone on board or we would have known about it in advance. So this experiment is both useless and inconsiderate. I'm rather disappointed because it is being done by a couple of the whales who I was under the impression actually gave a shit about this platform.
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@fuzzyvest ·
Wow.  you understand omg it makes me so happy you understand basic science unlike the people running this experiment!  

They didn't even conduct it correctly!  This was throwing spaghetti on the wall.
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@son-of-satire ·
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Exactly. And it's a shame, because had the experiment been conducted under the correct conditions, with more than 11 seconds of planning, we may have learned some very important information. 

With this approach, the only reliable information I can draw from this experiment is that whale influence has grown to an arrogant level of feeling entitled enough to run experiments on a whim that affect the entire community, without the community's consent or even their knowledge.
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@surfermarly ·
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Thanks for informing us I had no idea! Now I understand why my vote power got up ;-) Cool! Let's rock! 
Resteemed your post
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@timcliff ·
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Well said! I agree.
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@uwelang ·
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this is a perfect analysis @neoxian - I fully support the experiment and you are right in terms of the communications - most of these guys are indeed tech developers - no marketing people therefore no official announcement, also as we are in BETA I am fine with that too. 

In general such social media "platforms" do have internal and external communications gaps to be filled once out of Beta - not a steemit problem. Seen this in almost any comparable platform.
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