The great "Echeveria" mystery solved and evil plans towards the snails by nikv

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hive-183841 · @nikv · Sep 12 '21

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The great "Echeveria" mystery solved and evil plans towards the snails

Back in the good old days before covid lockdowns, I used to buy a lot of small succulent cuttings at a nearby flea market. A few years ago I was intrigued by the weird lumpy leaves of this plant and told "It's an Echeveria" but I was never able to identify it. It grows extremely slowly and finally flowered for the first time, which is when I thought: _those are Sedum flowers!_ 

![sedum allantoides.jpg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmZEuX9CdXYm911c5znfJstfGBUrZHnhS5zoRQFtEyYDf5/sedum%20allantoides.jpg)

For comparison, these are the flowers of _Echeveria elegans_ and most echeveria flowers are similarly bell-shaped and red and yellow in colour.

![Echeveria elegans.jpg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmZWBuEfEmkisBkyca8NL4j5iZdscRQnzs9YQSKW17L5Ak/Echeveria%20elegans.jpg)

Botany generally classifies plants into families according to their flowers so when you see a flower form, you know where to start looking and Google image results become your friend: I found that this is _Sedum allantoides Goldii_, native to Oaxaca in Mexico. Nice try on the seller's part -  at least he got the geographical location right.

![S allantoides.jpg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmVbZdLAZ1EUhhNv2VTL79UZDS4rALTvFdA7wxtEh8tq8t/S%20allantoides.jpg)

Overall, it's a weird looking plant and mine was looking especially bad because the snails munched on the upper leaves last summer

![sedum allantoides goldii.jpg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmT13tziBbDVtzBonuPh1cBKyY5uzqokZChqjePKS3ZsSh/sedum%20allantoides%20goldii.jpg)

New growth looks better though:

![S allantoides leaves.jpg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmVk76pfutWkX7mYphPNbjfUQ4iQMXGadZRoX2ARm1coQR/S%20allantoides%20leaves.jpg)

It's also odd-looking for a Sedum, and not a common plant to find. Of course it had to be added to my freak collection. It's easy to grow and hopefully we don't get weeks of rain this summer that makes the snail population go crazy. I have been reducing the numbers slowly but surely and apparently, this is the ultimate snail-fighting weapon. 

![640px-Libanasidus_vittatus01.jpg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmU7ergAfy1d7tXZ4WR1iXyqeCQ8iNXJYLXps1q5DweJRN/640px-Libanasidus_vittatus01.jpg)
Image: [Androstachys, Wikipedia](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Libanasidus_vittatus01.jpg)

King crickets are universally despised and called Parktown Prawns by locals although I have always liked them. When they aren't eating insects, they like to snack on dog food pellets and live in compost heaps. I'll raid my brother's garden, there aren't any around my place: perhaps it's a little hot and dry here. If they can do away with the local snail population, I'll be grateful and the succulents won't be quite as wrecked. The snails are in fact an edible escargot species but they are an alien invasive species here. I'd prefer the crickets to eat them though.

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@cuddlekitten · Sep 13 '21

I like you!

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@nikv · Sep 13 '21

meow!

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@edprivat · Sep 15 '21

I don't know if it works, but I've been doing it anyway, I spread some ash on the top layer of soil, and it seems to prevent them from climbing on the stem.

Last opttion is to cut some garlic, herbs, real butter, and cook me some snails, mmhmhhhhh

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@nikv · Sep 15 '21

$0.02

I have no inner French side that wants to eat snails, haha. I prefer to have some parktown prawns in the garden. Surely you met them when you lived here? I think they are cute

👍 dustbunny, edprivat

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@edprivat · Sep 15 '21

You are reading my mind I was about to mention them, especially that face, how could I forget. But most importantly,  the noise. The biggest ones make a noise when they bump into something. I remember waking up at night and wondering "what is that sound?"
(Clock....clock.... clock)

They often get stuck somewhere in a corner, the clicking sound intensifying... We were living in Parktown North 😂 and the mating season was intense

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@fionasfavourites · Sep 14 '21

Oh, wow!  I didn't know that Parktown prawns ate snails!  We could do with some here with all the rain we've had!  They gave me the *grils* when I lived in Joburg and when my ginger cat brought me presents:  deposited them on my pillow at some ongodly hour of the night!

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@nikv · Sep 14 '21

Yes, we always think that they just eat dog food, haha

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@fionasfavourites · Sep 14 '21

What?  The prawns or the cats? lol

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@gangstalking · Sep 12 '21

Electronic-terrorism, voice to skull and neuro monitoring on Hive and Steem. You can ignore this, but your going to wish you didnt soon. This is happening whether you believe it or not. https://ecency.com/fyrstikken/@fairandbalanced/i-am-the-only-motherfucker-on-the-internet-pointing-to-a-direct-source-for-voice-to-skull-electronic-terrorism

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@ludmila.kyriakou · Sep 13 '21

My Echeveria elegans died and some others too :-(
I don't know what I'm doing wrong ...

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@nikv · Sep 13 '21

$0.05

They can be tricky. Did they get rot that started in the stems? I have lost echeverias when it's cold and rainy but also if I water when it is very warm at night. Then they get botrytis rot quite easily, warm nights are when the bacteria are most active in the soil

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@ludmila.kyriakou · Sep 15 '21

Sorry, I just saw your comment.
Yes, the stem is rotting. Our summer is very hot and humid :-(
Maybe not water them at all in the summer?

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@manorvillemike · Sep 12 '21

So pretty and delicate..😊🙃

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@nikv · Sep 12 '21

Yes, succulent flowers are always surprising

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@mipiano · Sep 12 '21

Oh my, the snail-fighting weapon looks scary :D 
But I hope that you will not have to deal with many snails. 

>when you see a flower form, you know where to start looking

Thanks, good to know this 👌 Many succulents are so similar by the leaf shape... so when the flowers come, they can make the final classification.

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@nikv · Sep 13 '21

Yes, flowers can tell you a lot about plants. I don't like botanical keys in general, I prefer to looks at books with photos of flowers

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@owasco · Sep 12 '21

>Nice try on the seller's part - at least he got the geographical location right.

lol. Glad you finally identified your plant. The new growth is gorgeous, or at least your photo of it is. 

Good luck with the crickets. @carolkean would try to eat them.

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@nikv · Sep 13 '21

Well, insects are considered a new frontier for supplying protein requirements. There's a long tradition of eating locusts, termites and certain species of caterpillars but I still haven't felt like dipping my toes in those waters. I'll cook the odd weevil in my beans but that's it, haha

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@phoenixwren · Sep 12 '21

$0.04

I love your plant, and ha ha on the evil plans. Have you ever tried diatomaceous earth for the snails?

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@nikv · Sep 12 '21 (edited)

$0.12

Wet diatomaceous earth wouldn't stop them, the snails are only active when it rains, the climate is too dry otherwise

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@sofs-su · Sep 12 '21

$0.04

My waterlilies are the ones attacked by snails caterpillars eat up my succulents. 
This one looks like a Pachyphytum to me with heart shaped leaves. 
true the flowers certainly look like sedum blooms.

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@nikv · Sep 12 '21

I always thought it could be a Pachyphytum but the flowers are what clinch it.
Here we have a butterfly that lays eggs and the larva eats the leaves from the inside but other caterpillars leave them alone and the snails and slugs love them. How do the snails get to the water-lilies? Ours don't like water much

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@sofs-su · Sep 12 '21

That's right its the butterflies that wreck havoc with most of my succulents, especially the Kalanchoe Blossfeldiana.
Snails stick to the sides of the tubs and the ponds above the water and eat up the leaves. 
Slugs are mostly found hiding below the containers.

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