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@aaronmda · (edited)
$2.03
Here's the reality of the situation, as long as money and the internet exist, spam will exist and all you do in taking steps to "prevent it" is

A) Force the spammers to invent new more creative ways to spam anyway

B) For a short while replace their spam with "anti-spam", spam.

so really doing this is helping no one except the people doing it, filling their pockets and feeding their ego's but doing no real actual good. if you want to stop spam you need to stop humanity's desire for money. treat the problem, not the symptoms. 

Treating the symptoms, fills their pockets, feeds their ego and wastes everyone else's time and money. 

IT DOES NOT MATTER "WHY" THEY DO IT. 

Be it for principal or for money or both, the REALITY of the situation remains the same.

Steemcleaners and cheetah aren't fixing anything. They're just adding to it in their own convoluted way and this post very clearly proves it.

IT'S NOT FUD.
IT IS FACT. 
OBVIOUS FACT SUPPORTED BY FACTS ALL DISPLAYED IN THIS POST, SO CALLING IT FUD IS JUST AN ATTEMPT COVER ONE'S OWN FALLACIES. IT DEMONSTRATES A COMPLETE INABILITY TO ADMIT ERROR. IT DEMONSTRATES A STRONG DESIRE TO KEEP YOUR ANTI SPAM CASH MACHINE FLOWING

People who actually want to help OTHERS do things like curation trails, contests, and other types of community engagement. By setting up things like steemcleaners you have set up your own little police state. You have become the monster you supposedly wish to escape and you won't listen to anyone but yourselves because you have become so powerful that you can silence the voice of dissent instead of correcting your mistakes. That makes things like steemcleaners and cheetah worse than "the establishment" due to their very clear hypocrisy. 

ALL THE FLAGS IN THE WORLD WILL NOT HIDE THIS FACT. YOU JUST MAKE MATTER WORSE AND FURTHER PROVE THE POINT OF THIS POST.

It is truly unbelievable the lengths some people will go to in order to avoid admitting they are WRONG!!

WOW!

SteemIt HAS NO FUTURE IF THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO BE
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@swansed · 
Bravo. Both sides have a valid argument. Neither is going to win. Where's the @JudgeJudy bot? Somebody PLEASE build a @JudgeJudy bot for situations like this, and both sides need to abide by 'her' decision...
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@aaronmda · (edited)
I am the judge judy bot and i'm on the case.

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@leprechaun · 
I wrote one but I couldn't getze to run because ze was "non-binary"πŸ˜‹πŸ˜‹πŸ˜‹πŸ˜πŸ˜πŸ˜
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@stuffy · 
we need Judge Dredd - he comes in, kill everyone =)
nobody's 100% right
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@bashadow · 
I am still very new here. If I visit a page that @cheetah has a post on, I look very close at the content. If it is plagiarism, i do not visit any of the posters other post/blogs.  

Yes I have seen where @cheetah  is wrong on a few cases, but I am human and able to discern when a robot is wrong and when a human is a cheat/liar/spammer/**Plagiarizer**. 

@cheetah  is rarely wrong, but whats does it matter when it is. I  have a brain and can see it made a mistake, and then I look over more of that posters blogs.

As for steemcleaners,I think they are a real aid to steemit. I am tired of looking at a hastag and getting completely irrelevant  post. So Steem Clean on.
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@aaronmda · (edited)
This actually supports my ultimate point on the whole thing. **You** are capable of seeing these things for yourself and capable of flagging them yourself so organizations like cheetah should not exist because they stop people like you and me from doing it ourselves, it gets us out of the habit because we don't see it. It's just like government constantly adding all these new services that you need that really you could and SHOULD be doing for yourself. That's why flagging and upvoting exist. So each of us as individuals can take responsibility for OUR community instead of a small group of elites taking it upon themselves and in so doing opening the door to corruption by creating an unstoppable force. I'm not saying they don't do any good. Im saying the good they do should be the responsibility of EVERYONE not just SOME! If it's such an expensive and difficult job which wasn't theirs to do in the first place then WHY?

oh right...

...because it is actually profitable.

I AM NOT 100% ON THIS.

 I AM open to arguments to the contrary but that is at this time how it appears to me. I am of course at this time looking into the entire thing much much more closely. I do at the end of the day prefer informed decisions over hearsay.
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@bashadow · 
Last reply along this  thread for me I think @aaronmda.
> flagging them yourself so organizations like cheetah should not exist because they stop people like you and me from doing it ourselves,
You have a REP score of 54. Plagiarism is not only limited to those of low REP score. At the start of this thread, (my first reply to it), I had a rep score of 33.  When I reported my first Copy Paste Plagiarism case to steemcleaners, my REP score was 26. You think as an individual that you can do something about it? I am sorry we are both living on completely different clouds. You cloud says that if you downvote someone with a REP of 72 then they are not ever ever going to retaliate and start down voting your REP into oblivion. Good luck on your way, one man can stand against many, if those many are ants. *I have enjoyed this back and forth, but it is time for me to move on, as you will never understand my **belief** that we need @cheetah, and I will never understand **your belief** that we can do it alone.
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@coinbelly · 
You have something that is so important for everyone to know. thanks a lot!
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@crypto-expo · (edited)
$1.18
Wow what an eye opener 😲 you make alot of sense here πŸ‘. Upvoted and resteemed and Followed πŸ‘Œ
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@pjheinz · (edited)
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@drotto · 
<p>This post has received a 0.78 % upvote from @drotto thanks to: @banjo.</p>
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@fitzgibbon ·
$0.05
[![STEEMCLEANERS.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmP6xx8fyEqifAUu33huduBs8d48zWqP5bmPC2focdD8C2/STEEMCLEANERS.jpg)](https://steemit.com/@steemcleaners/comments)
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@fubar-bdhr ·
$1.02
Where the heck do you get your figures?  They are so far off base it isn't even funny.  

Steemcleaners $600 a day?  Maybe for a week right after hard fork 19 when the rewards were out of whack.  Lately we have been lucky to get $200 a day $100 from the daily log and $100 from the comments.  Sure we get more if the log is huge and we have to split it into 2 parts.   

240 comments a day?  They might have been the record for one day but for months there were less than 50 a day usually between 10 and 30.  Even if you do the math it comes out nowhere near your figures.  15304 posts over almost a year that's under 45 posts a day average.  That's posts and comments combined.

As for the rest of your math it isn't even close to reality.  You take no account of the value of steem which was as low as 6 cents for quite awhile.  

It's perfectly clear you will do anything to skew your numbers in favor of your argument.
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@pjheinz · (edited)
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@slickhustler007 · 
What's crazy is have never seen a post of mine reach over 7 bucks and was only one post. And the only one but hey I'm grateful for the small shares. I could be doing this same thing on Facebook or any other site for free. Only been here a month and a half and imma keep pushing forward. 

#circleoffriends
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@softgrip · 
Look at your own little spam bot army upvoting you.  Pretty hypocritical and corrupt.
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@stuffy · 
proof of self upvoting at my post
https://s26.postimg.org/5pr5or4qh/12121.jpg

link to post
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@stuffy/plexcoin-the-ico-worth-investing

I'm not speaking about, was the flag fair or not, let's leave this out of the equation (post fixed, flag removed, if you still want to know)
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@joyita ·
$0.07
Upvoted and Resteemed by **xx-votesplus**, the [dropAhead curation team](https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@dropahead/introduceyourself-xxvotesplus-dropahead-curation-trail-and-my-path-to-witness)!

Do you want more earnings?

- Delegate/donate some STEEM POWER to @dropahead
- **Upvote this comment!**
- [Vote @dropahead for witness](https://steemit.com/~witnesses)

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@leprechaun · 
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@ionlysaymeep · 
meep
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@aaronmda · (edited)
lol.....still funny.
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@lpfaust ·
$0.04
@pjheinz thanks for doing the analysis. Transparency is absolutely necessary.

Personally, I am a bit conflicted about how to react. The reality is Steemit needs some kind of plagiarism bot to prevent abuse and potential issues with DCMA violations, and that bot will require funding to operate, maintain and upgrade. Most programmers will not contribute their skills for free. 

Even if we put  aside the issues of whether or not  a government entity can and should enforce DCMA regs, or even the issue of intellectual property rights, we would be having the same debate about reward pool theft when the copy/paste nonsense begins again and becomes as bad or worse just like it was when Steemit first began last year.

I do agree with your position as it relates to how much is being taken by the  self-upvoting, but that issue extends much further than STEEM cleaners and cheetah.  How many now are engaged with their bot trains in self upvoting comments?
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@fingolfin ·
$0.98
@patrice mentions it in her response, but to find out why steemcleaners switched to upvoting comments I would recommend looking at [this post](https://steemit.com/steemcleaner/@transisto/steemcleaner-please-update-your-support-us-instructions) from transisto and especially the response from anyx.

Basically even though people want to support steemcleaners there are those out there that don't want to see the reports on the trending page.  This does make some sense, you want to lead with your best foot forward and a big list of people plagiarizing stuff isn't ideal.

Switching to upvoting comments keeps the reports off the trending page and has a few added benefits as well. It prevents steemcleaner comments from being flagged and having their visibility removed and it also moves them near the top of a post so that people can have all the information before they vote on a potentially plagiarized post.
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@lpfaust ·
$1.32
@fingolfin it makes sense to keep the @steemcleaners of the trending page, so the comment upvoting would be the best way to do that.  I can remember when I joined in July what a mess  the plagiarism was on Stemit and @anyx  was fronting the entire cost of  @cheetah  out of his own pockets to provide a basic service I would have expected Steemit, Inc would have taken on in light of DCMA issues.

I remember @curie was being pilloried for upvoting their own update posts to the trending page , and the  whole "reward pool theft" hate-rants towards Curie were filling the trending page for obscene rewards. In the end, the Curie project opted to refuse payouts on every other post and assume a huge amount of  automation. Have @steemcleaners and @cheetah considered a similar approach?
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@macrophotography · 
what i miss is the story on how to fight plagiarism and copyright violations instead ? you don't like the bots that warn people , you see it as Spam i've seen worse bots but ok . If those numbers are correct it's a lot of money but at least they are trying to keep the place clean , and nobody works for free these days. i know bank CEOs that make a lot more in a year are you going to mail those people too? 

if you really care about honest and equal distribution of the pool , tell me how are we going to educate / fight those people that abuse other peoples content here on steemit ?
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@aaronmda · (edited)
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it's so easy to not see spam on steemit, you just don't follow those people and if you cut all the crap with these police bots then the problem bots will be easier to root out and people can flag them on there own if they don't like it but when you create an unstoppable organization like steemcleaners then you get the inevitable abuse of power which is what has lead us to this point. the people aka"community" are clearly rising up against steemcleaners. i suggest they take the hint. this post has over a 1000 votes and would like have a large reward were it not for the efforts of certain whales to TAKE THAT REWARD AWAY AKA THEFT!!!! WOW the hypocrisy is outrageous and can not be allowed to continue. the vindictive and thin skinned nature of the people running this thing demands they be stopped. they are clearly not up to the task. 

When you're final response to dissent is to silence it, YA YOU FUCKED UP. DEAL WITH IT!

steemcleaners and cheetah are the equivalent of traffic cops, giving you tickets, stealing your property, all the while talking about how they're doing a community service but really they're just enforcing another illegal form of taxation.
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@anyx · (edited)
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If you *really* think 1100 *people* voted for this post, you don't understand how any of this works dude... It was one person with a network of 1100+ accounts.

No one will take arguments seriously unless the facts are straight and the argument is laid out logically.

"The people" aren't rising up against steemcleaners. Its just a few, super anti-authority, tax-is-illegal-police-oppression-you're-a-nazi ones, like you.

And its fewer people than you think, too. The pjheinz account is the same user as the blockcodes account (possibly also softgrip). I'd say it's about a dozen people, total, *maybe*, including you.
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@bashadow ·
$0.04
I'm sorry, but your post is one of the most assinine post I have read here.

> "it's so easy to not see spam on steemit,"

I'm guessing you meant that it is easy to see spam on steemit based on the remainder of your post. Yes seeing spam is easy, it is not hard to see when people are spamming a post. @cheetah and @steemcleaners are not, (IMHO), spam.

> you just don't follow those people and if you cut all the crap with these police bots then the problem bots will be easier to root out and people can flag them on there own if they don't like it

Oh yes, then when a newbie with 25 rep runs up against an idiotic petulant 50 rep person, who wins that flag war? The 25 Rep person that had a really cool post stolen by a 50 Rep person that posted it as his own, and then flagged the 25 Rep persons post screaming Plagiarism at him?

> the people aka"community" are clearly rising up against steemcleaners.

The people? get real, there has only been 158 views of this page. So the question is how many silly assed little bot voters does the poster have. How many auto upvote bots does he control? You think upvotes equate to people? I don't think so.

You are a sour grape, precious little snowflake that thinks the world owes you, you are wrong on so many accounts.
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@minnowsupport · 
<p>Congratulations!  This post has been upvoted from the communal account, @minnowsupport, by isacoin from the Minnow Support Project.  It's a witness project run by aggroed, ausbitbank, teamsteem, theprophet0, and someguy123.  The goal is to help Steemit grow by supporting Minnows and creating a social network.  Please find us in the <a href="https://discord.gg/HYj4yvw">Peace, Abundance, and Liberty Network (PALnet) Discord Channel</a>.  It's a completely public and open space to all members of the Steemit community who voluntarily choose to be there.</p>

<p>If you like what we're doing please upvote this comment so we can continue to build the community account that's supporting all members.</p>
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@patrice ·
$19.63
I'm curious... 

>@cheetah averaging 984 comments/day and 2 posts/day
The average drain on the Rewards pool is $15 USD / day
The bot will consume $5,475 USD from the reward Pool and add 359,890 posts this year.

Do you take into consideration how much it costs in google api calls for cheetah to run? Not to mention the hardware it runs on? 

>All of these bots are owned by the same user; we all know who you are.

Nice to know I'm a bot! Thanks for letting me know! Oh if I'm a bot who owns me? I really need some computer upgrades to find these darn comment spammers. @spaminator and I are up to about 3000 accounts in the last 7 days. 

>@adm and @steemcleaners upvote each comment for $1.10

The reason behind this is here.  
https://steemit.com/steemcleaner/@transisto/steemcleaner-please-update-your-support-us-instructions

>Ironically these bots that claim to fight SPAM but create more SPAM to the blockchain than any other user.

Have you added up all the multiple accounts spamming? 
https://steemit.com/spaminator/@spaminator/10-102-spam-comments-need-flagged

Just some quick numbers here on comments since 8/02 till about 10 minutes ago. 
Steemitboard: 17764 comments
randowhale: 6173 comments
minnowsupport: 5094 comments
cheetah: 4385 comments
steemcleaners: 774 comments

I don't know who actually owns @adm. I have been told by several it is a community funded account that supports our effort in fighting abuse. 

Do you have any suggestions on how to notify users they are plagiarising, commiting ID theft, or othe rabuse besides leaving a comment? 

How about telling users that they may be up-voting someone who steals content or scams users by claiming to be someone they are not for money? 

Have any idea how to get trusted members to spend 8 or more hours of their day sifting through steemit posts and comments looking for those trying to scam their way to big rewards?

Were you even here when users were making $1,000 or more a post by claiming they were someone they were not? When many of us did this for nothing?
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@bashadow ·
$0.29
Sour grapes, and precious little snowflakes will never understand. All they know (and it is usually wrong) is that they must be being cheated and stolen from, since the other guy has more money.  They will never understand that you get what you work for. If you don't work at it you will never get it, whether its a new toy or new knowledge.
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@aaronmda ·
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uh oh @bashadow i'm going to have to make another video for people who don't know wtf they're talking about. i'm going to educate you on the meaning of "a hard day's work" ain't nobody got s**t on me in that regard and thanks to the internet i can prove it. "assumption" will get you everytime

 and I know, 

i still assume much and it gets me every time

 well................almost.
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@pjheinz · (edited)
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@anyx · (edited)
$16.03
Christ, I don't know why I bother trying to deal with this clear misinformation, attacks, and fud...

For the record, adm is not owned by steemcleaners, we are only borrowing the voting power. If you want to whine to who got the money from the adm account, talk to abit. It's all his money, he sold it or moved it or whatever, into and out of his own pockets. We have nothing do with finances on that account.

All steemcleaners rewards are distributed to the community members fighting abuse. It's based on the theory that downvotes have no rewards; but upvotes do (curation reward). so the community collectively bands together to reward those using their time in a way that would have been unrewarding (downvoting abuse), when they could have instead used it in a manner that would be naturally rewarding (gaining curation).

The cheetah report reward is paying for the API cost and metal cost (needs full steemd node). On high intensity days it is under-payed, and I'm paying for the overage out of my pocket.

Oh, and steemcleaners is not a bot. How many times do you have to be informed of that before it clicks...

And as mentioned elsewhere in the comments here, [read this post and my response](https://steemit.com/steemcleaner/@transisto/steemcleaner-please-update-your-support-us-instructions) to understand why we moved some of the reward away from the report and to the comments. I much preferred the all-in-one style on the report, so if you can convice @transisto to let us do that again, that would be wonderful.
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@softgrip · 
You might not be @patrice - but 4 of your 6 upvotes are.

And they are producing spam every day.

I asked steemabuse channel if it was Ok, and they said it was abusive to post automatically copy/paste with no followers and upvote amongst themselves like those 4 are doing.

fubar165
zatrhas
zathras
beerbot

It's like police turning a blind eye on police crime.  Playing favorites.

This is the guy getting commendation for anti spam from anyx.

Lets look at the behaviour outside of steemit to see if we can get some incite.   I've already listed the spamming bots.  Let's see if there is any pattern.

https://twitter.com/fubar_bdhr?lang=en
https://cryptocurrencytalk.com/profile/27519-fubar-bdhr/

This leaves me with a sour taste in my mouth.
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@pfunk · (edited)
Before throwing wild and inaccurate accusations out there, why don't you get your facts straight?

>@adm is holding 636,109.323 STEEM likely stolen from the rewards pool.
@adm has sold already 19,184,672.33 SBD and 5,354,252.52 STEEM skimmed off the Rewards Pool.
>http://www.steemreports.com/transfers-ledger/?account=adm

>These bots @adm, @steemcleaners, @cheetah. (you were never mentioned) are all created by @anyx.

These comments show you haven't done much research and just made some very wrong assumptions. I've downvoted this post by a few dollars to reduce its rewards, as these accusations and misinformation don't benefit anyone.
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@aaronmda · 
i appreciate what you do for the music community but in this regard i must protest. first of all you say his facts are wrong. well all you have down is post something he stated with no evidence to the contrary. it would appear this person has done an incredible amount of research actually and you are the one attempting to refute it with flagging and misinformation. I AM NOT SAYING this is the truth but with no supporting evidence to back up your claim i don't see how to see it any other way. everything stated in this post is backed up with links and screencaps from the steem blockchain. are you really saying he made all that up? im asking?
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@pfunk · (edited)
>everything stated in this post is backed up with links and screencaps from the steem blockchain.

Not really. I didn't feel the need to respond in detail to ignorance. Look for @anyx's comment here.
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@pjheinz · (edited)
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@pfunk · (edited)
$0.05
Subtract noganoo's vote spam bots and how many actual people agree? 

I could have downvoted it more to remove all rewards. It would still be shown by Steemit. Downvoting more wouldn't cover it up. Steem should not be rewarding poorly researched and hysterical accusations like this, and as a stakeholder I have a say in that.

 I've upped my downvote percentage to remove all rewards to demonstrate to you that I haven't covered anything up.
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@pjheinz · (edited)
$2.15
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@randowhale · 
This post received a 4.7% upvote from @randowhale thanks to @softgrip!  For more information, [click here](https://steemit.com/steemit/@randowhale/introducing-randowhale-will-you-get-the-100-vote-give-it-a-shot)!
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@seveaux · 
you must give me my vote or give me money back
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@rudystyle · (edited)
$2.10
Do you mean to say @adm has made 19 Million  SBD mostly through self voting and upvoting his own bot?
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@seveaux · 
randowhale owns me money or a vote but I receive non of them
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@seveaux · 
nice find good call.. i trusted cheetahbot really and downvote those who steal from others.. never knew this and what about to do on this greed? it's really unaccepted. so therefore resteemed
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@siddartha ·
$1.11
Some ppl on steemit show off themselves as golden caped knights, but all they do is loot, loot and loot! Abuse their powers, downvoting ppl they don't like. We should really investigate properly before supporting these kind of guys.
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@sleepy-gary ·
$2.05
This makes me very, very sad. I understand the DMCA/Plagiarism striker, but shouldn't the Admins of Steemit operate something like that? To keep the reward pool equally accessible to all? Maybe I am misunderstanding something, but I don't like the idea of spamming then self-upvoting your own posts. 

I had seen a list of users who do nearly the same thing, using their obscene vote power to upvote all of their own posts and comments.

Some might say that's just human nature, but I believe greed and egocentrists are learned behaviors.
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@fingolfin · (edited)
$0.89
Hopefully my response, the response from patrice, and the comments from anyx on [this post](https://steemit.com/steemcleaner/@transisto/steemcleaner-please-update-your-support-us-instructions) help to give  you an idea of why the votes are cast the way they are.

As @orionsbelt mentioned, this a decentralized platform. There is literally nobody who works for steemit that does anything in an official capacity to fight plagiarism or abuse on the platform, it is all done by volunteers.

Edit: upvoting my own post because pjheinz flagged my last one without giving a reason, better safe than sorry with this one :)
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@pjheinz · (edited)
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@orionsbelt ·
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There are no "admins" of steemit, this is decentralized platform working on consensus from witnesses(who keep blockchain alive), if someone should look into this issue then it should be the "witnesses"
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@sleepy-gary · 
gotcha, thank you. I had been getting the impression that Dan and Ned were basically the gatekeepers/bodyguard admin type function.
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@slickhustler007 ·
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Wow my friend I'm applauded by your eagerness to bring a real issue to the forefront. Keep one thing in mind though, like every new trending thing it get abused. 
One profits from the vast majority while the majority is truest responsible for the work. Sounds exactly like society's selfish tactics. **WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE?** We are the people and can take action as a whole yet we individually still have some of the same tendencies.  

## HOLD YOUR HEAD UP BROTHER IT GETS BETTERπŸ‘πŸΎπŸ‘πŸΎ
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@cornholio · 
The streets will flow with the blood of the non-believers...
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@softgrip · 
Upvoted, resteemed and followed.
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@stuffy ·
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best definition what bot is. By @fingolfin :
>You can also tell its not a bot by the amount of actual people on this thread who are a part of steemcleaners telling you its not a bot, that we are just people lol.


SO true =))
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@truth-be-told ·
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Seems to me if this was to "protect us" then they shouldn't collect any revenue at all!!
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@fingolfin ·
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I've mentioned this in another post but it is worth repeating here. The steemcleaners aren't an official part of steemit, its a group of volunteers. The funds raised go to removing the payouts from plagiarized posts, helping to fund the operation of the cheetah bot, and rewarding the users/members of the group who spend hours looking for plagiarized posts.

 I'd like to think that every steemian would voluntarily donate their time and precious voting power to fight abuse without any monetary incentive but alas that isn't the case. The amount of plagiarized posts on steemit is staggering and it takes a ton of voting power to remove all of those payouts. Go look at a steemcleaners log post and look how many posts that are downvoted. All of those removed payouts are steem that is going back in the pool to go to deserving members instead of plagiarists and scammers.
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@softgrip · (edited)
A for profit, self governed censorship machine that holds grudges.

Fascism.  Point blank.

And not just the word - go read about the actual definition.
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@truth-be-told · 
Hmm...well I still consider myself to be a newb.  My questions are:
* How can anyone tell if it's a bot?
* If it's a bot, do you think it should still make a profit?
* What set of rules are used to determine if someone plagiarized?   Sounds like some of the comments here are saying that they have been unfairly "flagged" when they did nothing wrong.  How is that corrected if true?
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