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I upvoted for the power of the story. I'm staying to say that anarchy didn't cause this suffering, government did. Anarchists don't want a utopia that can never exist, they want to prevent small groups of people determining which humans get disassembled and why, at the end of a gun. It is not fair to attribute to the anarchists that which 'the current incarnation of the law and government' have created for the people suffering under their rule. How in the world am I to reconcile the idea that a government created the environment in which this old man nearly lost his life in a brutal fashion, and yet I'm supposed to believe that no matter how warped they are they should be respected? No masters. Statists must beware that in their idealizing of a statist utopia they do not forget where the responsibility for over 250 million deaths *outside* of war belong, at the feet of government. It would appear that OP is confusing anarchy and chaos.
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@gavvet, A country without violence and criminal depending on the performance of governments to punish those who violate or may state it aside then Destroyed a country, if a state is not penalizing provocateur and only silent bleak in a movie, be a country that has always complied with the law then the country and advanced as other countries, without having seen any bloodshed, we are in a fraternity for the country that we love .. ***be a law-abiding if you want a peaceful country ..*** **I hate violence !!!**
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Thanks for engaging in the debate, Perhaps I have more to learn about just what anarchy means and anarchists aims are... but from where I am standing, when the rule of law breaks down, the results are not positive. Perhaps that is not anarchy then...
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*an*archy just means without rulers. When you decide who to hang out with, you're making an anarchistic decision, unless you call your local congress person to get their permission. wheb the rule of law breaks down it is usually because of corruption of that rule, so it makes sense that the results would not be positive. but thinking that an anachronistic institution like government is the solution to the problem it creates itself takes a faith I cannot commit to.
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Are there any examples of an anarchic state/society that has worked? Thinking back, inevitably, there is a conflict, then one person/party is raised to a position of power above the state/society to bring order. After order is returned, that person/party never returns to their original position. Historically, all of the anarchic states that I can recall have resulted in a dictatorship.
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The world is in anarchy. There is no one world government. No one world rule of law. You have a bunch of competing warlords trying to gain the upper hand. For most people that fear anarchy, what they fear is already here.
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Actually, all of the anarchic groups that have tried to exist were inevitably betrayed. By the socialists/communists in Catalonia (never forget) for example. which anarchic states can you recall? Anarchy does not have a state. Governments have states, and imaginary borders and wars
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Going way back in my memory, the first time I can remember was : I was in nursery school. It was nap time. We were in a gymnasium and were told we could sleep anywhere. We simply needed to grab a sleeping mat, find a place to sleep and have a nap. Ian, Shelly and myself all wanted a red blanket. But there were only two. We could not come to an agreement. The stress level rose to a chaotic state and fighting began. In that moment, the teacher intervened and dictated who of us gets a red blanket and who gets a different colour. The most recent/current one that is occuring: If you look at https://steemd.com/witnesses, a miner named supercomputing has taken advantage of a flaw in the algorythm for mining and currently controls 90% of the steem mining. The Developers of steem are going to have to put a hard fork in the chain to prevent this from happening again. Is there any chance that the individual will stop on his/her own? Both of these sound trivial, but without rulers/authority, how would these two events get resolved. And ... unfortunately, I do not believe that the majority of adults act any more reasonably than children when stress/provocation is applied.
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