Hello! ![can I ask questions here (1).gif](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/qsett/23wr9wcMdTRUVwdH6f4zv2Y1m16CBZnF5yvzGyiQPcKTXFraLwtVJxvaHAbLkHMAz8t8j.gif) I've only been on hive for almost a month. I have already read a bit and got to know many, sometimes seemingly extreme opinions on various topics. As in the subject of this post, I would like to ask two questions to people who have doubts about decentralization on Hive: 1. Does the fact that me and a lot of other people reach your posts and read them do not confirm the idea of decentralization? 2. Don't you think it is natural that there will be individuals in the community that will have more power simply because they are competent individuals who have earned their power and reputation? Honestly, I am writing this post and asking these questions because I am surprised how many votes people get who say there is no decentralization on Hive. And I would like to know why this is happening. Is there something I don't know, or maybe this attitude is simply natural for some people? I hope these questions will start a healthy discussion. I would appreciate your opinions or links to useful posts on this topic that would help me understand the situations Feel free to discuss in the comments!
author | qsett |
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First i must say, that english is not my mother-language, i worked some time for the english army and studied sometime in hungary/Budapest, i am an estonian citizen also, and speak a little russian too. So i hope that i understood your questions well. I am 50 years old now, quite an old man nowπ. Second you should know that i am i a MD (we call it "Dr.med." in germany) and i am teaching students for some years know, but i am self employed with my nurses who works in my team/place in germany. Third you should know that i am a so called "Hive-whale", thats due to my history on this blockchain (i started with steem Dez 2017) and due to that I did some investments form time to time (cost-average-effect), because i saw the great possibilities of this chain. I always said, that my "self-defintion" is a curator mainly for the german-speaking community on hive, because there are a lot for the english speaking people. I was blogging by myself a little bit more once (about many topics, but not about medical-stuff, thats my profession, hive is my free time), now just once a month, you can check my account, and i have only this one. Fourth i am supporting a lot of projects and accounts and meet-ups, you can check it out with @nbs.gmbh guys maybe. I am not sure, wether i got the meaning of your questions, but i try an "short"π answer to that, what i think you asked. "Does the fact that me and a lot of other people reach your posts and read them do not confirm the idea of decentralization?" Yes, thats confirms the ideas of decentralization and also of the great opportunity to get rewards due to your posts/content, not Mark Zuckerberg should be the profiteur of your content, its you and your upvoter. Thats still an great idea for me. "Don't you think it is natural that there will be individuals in the community that will have more power simply because they are competent individuals who have earned their power and reputation?" Yes, i think thats "natural", due to our human beeing. But if you still keep powering up constantly -i called it "Culot-Prinzip" https://peakd.com/deutsch/@balte/das-culot-prinzip or your are investing some fiat-money here, your power is rising (even more as the intern hive-inflation and surly more as the real inflation in the fiat-money-system, if you see consum-prices and asset-inflation (stocks, gold, land, houses). Thats okay for me in my point of view of the eoconomic things here, because you have to take the risk of lower valuation in shitty fiat money if you are powering up or investing. But if you are a good blogger or dev or game-maker or something like that, you can get power nearly from zero, great, isnt it? Then you have no real censorship here, even if i downvote the jelly-man as i do right now-due to a lot of reasons (i do not use my downvote power very often)-, and which he could easily stop by ending his personal crusade and insultings against german accounts: you still can read his posts and comments, they are hammered in the blockchain. Then we had recently real meetups in Vienna, at the "Bodensee", and other places, we have a lot of virtual meet-ups very often, there are things like building a company and giving some jobs on the rise, we have a press in the german speaking so called "community" (really quite different persons and opinions), the @hiq, the people are gaming together, have some fun on chain or in discord, make content about a lot of things, discussions, sometimes they fight, thats also part of our human beeing. At the end you have some "social control" and usually the discussions are polite. On the hive Chain there are just 0,3% of the votes downvotes, great. Thats why i am here. Hope that you could read my bad english, not my mother language as i told, but i dont need the google-translator to much, maybe some words and sentences are strange, some are typical german "english-mistakes", well i did my very bestπ best regards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szMisIXJzYc
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Great, thank you for introducing yourself briefly and for commenting on the topic. I think we have a similar point of view on decentralization. I also translated this post: https://peakd.com/deutsch/@balte/das-culot-prinzip and I didn't call it that, but I'm also planning to power-up as much as I can π
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Think you are on way then, but the journey may take sometime. Best regards.
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Karol, hats off. You made a [serial spammer](/@balte/comments) uncover his human side which is quite beneficial for the atmosphere. For example, I did not know he was a doctor, although there was a recent hint when @hivewatchers [accused him](/hive-121566/@hivewatcher/qzddrx) of abuse through alt account. I found it awkward because the service is publicly funded to algorithmically remove rewards from spam posts (amongst several other things) but not to threaten someone verbally. I know you do not care for drama but you need some basic context when facing balte's "even if i downvote (...) you still can read his posts and comments" and my "Their opinion will be silenced. It won't be erased but (...)" in the same thread. He [deeply cares](/hive-121566/@balte/re-mima2606-qzfsw6) about my reputation score because putting me on the reputation-0 blacklist followed by all major interfaces means noone can read my posts randomly (without following me and checking the Followed feed or manually and proactively looking me up). It makes DACH life easier and safer. So does dropping the constant smallball lies. The censorship stuff is his long ball play.
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I do not see how (1) relates to centralization. I have not tweeted in years but if I did right now, the Tweet would reach more people than a Hive post atm. I think (2) is true and desirable. As for the unnumbered part, people are getting votes for literally everything. Everything in the world has potential buyers. When someone speaks about no decentralisation, they are usually voicing their letdown from too many people sharing a common view (opposite to their own) rather than conspiring.
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Comment removed due to wish of the author of the main-article, which i fully understand and accept. Best regards.
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Hello, I'm not interested in what is happening between you and jelly13, could you please refrain from posting comments that have nothing to do with the topic of the post?
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Thanks for your opinion, I think (1) refers to centralization because people who say decentralization doesn't exist will often say their opinion will be silenced by the people in power, but it doesn't. I like what you said here: *"When someone speaks about no decentralisation, they are usually voicing their letdown from too many people sharing a common view (opposite to their own) rather than conspiring."* Do you think they maybe confuse centralization with community power and sharing common views?
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Their opinion will be silenced. It won't be erased but the volume button can be tampered all the way down (and possibly back up). Centralisation is not boolean. It is a sliding scale (with no universal formal definition so we can treatise on Zero being reachable or not pretty much endlessly). I think a lot of confusion originates from not scaling. It easy to understand community power and opinion sharing if someone posts a a barking dog picture in Cat Community. Now zoom out from the level where Hive is the universe and Communities are the clusters to the level where blockchain is the universe and Hive one of the clusters. The freedom is still there. One should find their preferred place instead of complaining about places being differently managed.
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