RE: Hive Keychain Proposal (DHF) by raycoms

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hive · @raycoms · Apr 29 '20

$1.36

Similar to the other proposals, I'd like to know exactly where this money goes.
200$ per day = 6000$ per month. How many developers/designers are hired to work how many hours per week on this for that money?

I support keychain a lot, but there must be a good reason to double the DAO request now.

👍 dhimmel, pfunk, stoodkev, neoconqueso, deep0773

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@joshman · Apr 29 '20

We aren't over budget yet right?  I understand this concern completely, but I think over time competition within the HPS should balance it out.  For example, if a project crops up that I feel provides more value than this one, I would adjust my votes accordingly, and thus force this one to submit at a lower rate.  On the other hand, perhaps this is giving too much credit to people for actually actively managing their votes.

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@raycoms · Apr 29 '20

Any cent the DAO spends to much is over budget because it adds sell pressure to the coin.

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@keychain · Apr 30 '20

Totally agree with this. That s why we want to make our use of funds as transparent as possible through weekly updates.

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@lordbutterfly · May 3 '20 (edited)

Mo money. Gimme mo money. 

Thats basically the way i see it. How many more things can you add to keychain beyond this point that it would warrant doubling its funding. 

Will it help land people on Mars? Eradicate poverty? Cure cancer? 
Why not 3 times the funding for a relatively finished project?

Im really starting to get royally pissed at this greed going rampant!

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@stoodkev · May 4 '20

Did you even read the proposal?

> How many more things can you add to keychain beyond this point that it would warrant doubling its funding?

A lot. We basically get requests for new features, UX improvement and other enhancements all the time. Both by users and dApps. Just the past week we have implemented Hive Engine (will be released soon) and a new request called `signTx`. 
Onboarding is a real problem for now and we want to improve Keychain to make it a part of the process, with the ability to directly send keys to the extension when an account is created. We also need to get ready for SMTs and that will be a lot of work.
For the extension itself we only require the same funding (100 HBD) to keep the same pace of development.

The rest will go towards creating from scratch a brand new mobile App that will enable mobile Hive dApps to make requests to Keychain the same way that it currently works on browsers.

Both projects will always remain opensource and you will be able to check that work is being done.


> Im really starting to get royally pissed at this greed going rampant!

I hope the above points will convince you. 6k (at best) for development, design and translations on 2 projects is really a bare minimum for what we want to realize.
I do realize that we should probably have put the the extension work and the mobile App work in 2 different proposals for more clarity though.

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@lordbutterfly · May 4 '20 (edited)

>We basically get requests for new features, UX improvement and other enhancements all the time.

You decided to double the asking funds on a functioning tool because a few fans asked for some quality of life, "cosmetic" improvements that wont bring a fraction of value to HIVE like the base product did for which you asked the exact same amount of funding. 

>extension work and the mobile App work in 2 different proposals for more clarity though.

The mobile dapp integration, maybe, if theres demand. Making tools and having no one use them is pointless. 
Well if i look at it closely there will be one dapp to use it. Splinterlands with the same guys behind it like Keychain. 

Call me a skeptic, but it could seem that you guys might be looking for funding from the community so you can mostly improve your own dapp because im not sure how big of a demand there really is atm otherwise..

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1 reply

@stoodkev · Apr 29 '20

$0.33

Sure, I should have mentioned it, the reason is that we will double the development time to start developing the mobile App without affecting the pace of development on the extension side.
This might vary depending on HBD price and other expenses (design, translations, etc.) but you can expect 20+ hours of development per week.
We ll post weekly updates on our progress, so you will be able to make sure the funds are used properly.

👍 dhimmel
👎 dein-problem

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