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Cheap Land and Temporary Dwellings – Possible Keys to Breaking the ‘Lock-In’ by revisesociology

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Cheap Land and Temporary Dwellings – Possible Keys to Breaking the ‘Lock-In’
The ‘lock-in’ is where a habituated high expenditure lifestyle ties an individual to a 40 year working career and a post-60 retirement age. 

This is the norm in the West, but I calculated back in 2014 that an individual on median income could retire by 52, if they made extreme savings related lifestyle changes at age 35, and maintained them for the rest of their life. [Here’s a link to the post]( https://peakd.com/@revisesociology/how-early-can-you-retire), (I really must revisit this and do an updated version!) 

Given that I know it’s possible to break the lock-in, proof being in the stats, and the fact that I’ve done it myself (I now choose to keep on a mortgage and work part-time), I’m quite keen to hammer-home the extreme-rationality of a ‘saving down’ strategy, rather than what I see as the extremely sub-optimal ‘high expenditure and work ‘til you’re more or less already dead’ norm.  

Housing is the main thing which keeps people locked in, and cheap land and temporary dwellings are the most obvious means of breaking the housing-lock in. 

Thus owning your own property, be it a regular house (probably via a mortgage) or some Land on which you live off-grid, are sensible strategies to consider if you want financial freedom.

Ironically (?) going deep into debt and taking out a mortgage is an effective path to financial freedom in the long term, at least compared to renting… 

**Here's my comparison of three possible housing options over 10 years:**

![10 Year costs of My house compared to buying Land compared to renting .png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmYepLBfSzKm3KeRcrfzPWYXeDgp2KhTqUPYTBPi3WmXzi/10%20Year%20costs%20of%20My%20house%20compared%20to%20buying%20Land%20compared%20to%20renting%20.png)

![4i88GgaV8qiFkxbnGCXnHPUK3daVLCQA4oDc4ixoburURUbYsXtj5PM8fjWvnDXPEDrTCmUn7xSScdtqN3NMYTJSt7pPWbmQECRHSPNStFbZfyrNmQL2Tnzkow.gif](https://images.hive.blog/DQmPmVP53JytEx7m6DXBX2sp4p6zmaa8ajcdv3prHnrV9H5/4i88GgaV8qiFkxbnGCXnHPUK3daVLCQA4oDc4ixoburURUbYsXtj5PM8fjWvnDXPEDrTCmUn7xSScdtqN3NMYTJSt7pPWbmQECRHSPNStFbZfyrNmQL2Tnzkow.gif)

### The 10 year cost of the dreaded Rental lock-in 
<br>If I had been unable to raise a mortgage, it would cost me at least £600 a month to rent out something of a similar quality to my current house. 
 
•	£600 times 12 times 10 = £72 000 a year, £600 a month. 
•	£0 – Maintenance and insurance 
•	£72 000 = total cost of rent over 10 years, assuming I stay in one place! 
•	£0 = Property Asset value, but see immediately below. 

There is an argument for not owning your own property – you might think you can better invest your initial deposit money elsewhere and receive enough of a return to cover your rent and end up with investments worth more than your house. 

![4i88GgaV8qiFkxbnGCXnHPUK3daVLCQA4oDc4ixoburURUbYsXtj5PM8fjWvnDXPEDrTCmUn7xSScdtqN3NMYTJSt7pPWbmQECRHSPNStFbZfyrNmQL2Tnzkow.gif](https://images.hive.blog/DQmPmVP53JytEx7m6DXBX2sp4p6zmaa8ajcdv3prHnrV9H5/4i88GgaV8qiFkxbnGCXnHPUK3daVLCQA4oDc4ixoburURUbYsXtj5PM8fjWvnDXPEDrTCmUn7xSScdtqN3NMYTJSt7pPWbmQECRHSPNStFbZfyrNmQL2Tnzkow.gif)

### The mortgage-path to housing freedom…. 
<br>This is what I’m currently doing, along with around 65% of other adults in the UK! 
 
•	£72 000 - Total cost of the mortgage I took out in 2018 (including interest) to be paid back over 10 years
•	£4000 – total cost of buildings and mortgage insurance over 10 years
•	£5000 – total cost of maintenance over 10 years. 
•	£81 000 = total cost of property over 10 years. 
•	Around £8100 a year total cost, or £700 a month. 
•	£72 000 = 40% of the asset value of the house in ten years’ time, assuming the value remains  the same (the original loan including the interest was around 40% of the 2018 value) 
•	So that’s about a 90% return on my investment 

So after 10 years of paying down the mortgage, I’ve got an asset worth £72 000 and then no rent or debt to pay off, and a place to live in for free (expect maintenance) for the rest of of my life. 

NB I did in fact borrow £10K more than I needed, to maintain my other wealth  which is still invested, that £10K is what it cost to move house last time I did it! 

![4i88GgaV8qiFkxbnGCXnHPUK3daVLCQA4oDc4ixoburURUbYsXtj5PM8fjWvnDXPEDrTCmUn7xSScdtqN3NMYTJSt7pPWbmQECRHSPNStFbZfyrNmQL2Tnzkow.gif](https://images.hive.blog/DQmPmVP53JytEx7m6DXBX2sp4p6zmaa8ajcdv3prHnrV9H5/4i88GgaV8qiFkxbnGCXnHPUK3daVLCQA4oDc4ixoburURUbYsXtj5PM8fjWvnDXPEDrTCmUn7xSScdtqN3NMYTJSt7pPWbmQECRHSPNStFbZfyrNmQL2Tnzkow.gif)

### The extreme low cost, Eco-Village Land alternative 
<br>My next big ‘eco-investment’ plan is to take some of that ‘additional wealth’ and buy some land in Portugal – here’s my really optimistic financial overview:
 
•	£8 000 – estimated cost of buying some rustic Land in Portugal 
•	£5000 – estimated 10-year cost of setting up a small temporary dwelling on the land and maintaining it. 
•	£3600 – the probable cost of insurance I’d pay over 10 years
•	£16 600 = total cost over 10 years
•	Around £1660 a year for ‘basic housing costs’, so £150 a month. 
•	£8 000 = land asset-value assuming the value of land stays the same 
•	So that’s about a 50% return on my investment. 

![4i88GgaV8qiFkxbnGCXnHPUK3daVLCQA4oDc4ixoburURUbYsXtj5PM8fjWvnDXPEDrTCmUn7xSScdtqN3NMYTJSt7pPWbmQECRHSPNStFbZfyrNmQL2Tnzkow.gif](https://images.hive.blog/DQmPmVP53JytEx7m6DXBX2sp4p6zmaa8ajcdv3prHnrV9H5/4i88GgaV8qiFkxbnGCXnHPUK3daVLCQA4oDc4ixoburURUbYsXtj5PM8fjWvnDXPEDrTCmUn7xSScdtqN3NMYTJSt7pPWbmQECRHSPNStFbZfyrNmQL2Tnzkow.gif)

### Final thoughts
<br>This is a thought exercise isolating out basic housing costs and insurance (which is a personal choice in the Eco-vill model above, but a legal requirement to get a mortgage!), done for comparative purposes. 

If you can’t afford a mortgage, then the eco-village Land model strikes me as a really effective way of avoiding getting locked-in by high rental costs! 

In reality the three housing situations are different (especially 1 and 2 together, which are quite similar, compared to 3), and it would be more accurate a comparison to consider the conflation of other ‘basic needs’ around the two different models – how I’d meet my energy, waste, water, transport needs would be very different, as would tax, and all of these together would yield different results. 

However, I wanted to focus on housing to make an analytical point that, financially at least, buying a cheap piece of land abroad, putting up a yurt and living as an eco-homesteader for a decade (or however long) is a really effective way of avoiding paying rent to someone else and paying off their mortgage, or, worse, paying for their daughter's pony. 

And if the savings alone don’t convince you, think of the pony: it would probably much rather spend its time just standing around rather than being saddled and ridden around a field by a middle-class brat. 


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@felander ·
I am really thinking of going the eco village as well but building an earthship which is no small house but is cheap to build (not counting the manual labor)

And then if the land is big enough I would like to set up some sort of camping ground
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@revisesociology ·
If you can afford it I think the Earth Ship model is a great route to go!

It is possible to build a decent sized family home for relatively cheap. 

The eco-camping also makes sense - assuming we get no further Pandemics at least! 
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@markkujantunen ·
>However, I wanted to focus on housing to make an analytical point that, financially at least, buying a cheap piece of land abroad, putting up a yurt and living as an eco-homesteader for a decade (or however long) is a really effective way of avoiding paying rent to someone else and paying off their mortgage, or, worse, paying for their daughter's pony.

Makes sense. Difficult to do with a family.

>And if the savings alone don’t convince you, think of the pony: it would probably much rather spend its time just standing around rather than being saddled and ridden around a field by a middle-class brat.

LOL
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@revisesociology ·
Hey cheers!

It is only one strategy, and I get you, totally not for every life situation! 

I was wondering if the Pony thing would travel outside of the UK, it is very much part of our class landscape here: horsies for the rich, mostly. 
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@markkujantunen ·
To some degree it does. It is costly to keep a horse. You have to be really dedicated or solidly upper middle class or upper. Competitive ice hockey and figure skating are quite expensive, too. My daughter was in a group that had three hours skating and a couple hours of other training per week and it cost about €200 per month in total. She didn't compete. Those groups that did would train much more and that in addition to the competitions did cost one family up to €500-€600 per child. Ice hockey can cost hundreds of euros per month per kid as well. That's because ice time is expensive and a growing child needs new gear almost on a yearly basis.

Having children is really expensive if do it the middle class way. And it will be costly no matter what. If you are on the fence about having kids and dream of freedom of any kind, just don't do it.
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@nickyhavey ·
Pretty epic post outlining the return on investmen...
Pretty epic post outlining the return on investment for arguably one of the biggest things most of us will ever buy! I'm looking to buy a house maybe this year but need to assess my options.

The thought of having my own place and set up a studio is the most appealing thing and once that's paid off, will be quids in. I'm pretty good at saving and have spreadsheets of course that help keep on top of finances. 

Land is pretty expensive in the UK so may rule out that option for me!

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@revisesociology ·
Hey cheers - you're definitely better off with a house rather than land in the UK, 

And I have no doubt a spread sheet will help with savings goals. 

You should check out Early Retirement Extreme for some inspiration btw, by Jacob Lund-Fisker. 
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@nickyhavey ·
Yeah, looks like it will be a while yet before we ...
Yeah, looks like it will be a while yet before we can buy our land for building our castles here hey 😁

I've not come across Early Retirement Extreme. Have you got a link? Not sure if dapplr has hyperlinks in text yet so apologies if you have!

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