And this is the flaw of decentralized platform,
The solution?

Nah, Even me don't know the exact solution, for it has always a flaw in the system this kind of person wanted to take advantage.

Only flagging is the best solution for this, and also if the seemit inc will step in and flag it also, but will they care?

I think they will not as long as they as the investor who buy large amount os SP to do such manner and it's fine to them!

I'm still very new here. I know steemit from internet. no one is introducing steemit to me. only google that became my teacher back then. I have not fully understood this problem. But what you say is also what I feel. The last few days of my post did not get a good reward.
what you say becomes a lesson for me. although your writing should I translate first. Hehehe,,,,
Thank you for sharing.

At a point i stopped reading the guy in question's post and as there were no atom of reality in them. How can making more than ten analytical posts per day, pointing in same direction be very accurate and of help to steem

My comment got too long, creating a post instead O.o

https://steemit.com/steemit/@biasnarrative/response-to-rok-sivante-s-post

Awesome artical. I wonder what the people who created this platform are doing to correct this. Resteeming this!

>and may God grant us the whiskey and weed to accept the bullshit we can't.

Lol. Amen man of God

LOL and there is a second part to this!

I really enjoyed both of your posts today. You have laid out the concerns very well.

My two cents

We focus a lot on individuals but maybe it's the system or aspects of it that needs addressing. Good bad or indifferent when you go to the trending pages you get so much of the same content and authors. I just visited another blogging site just now because I couldn't sleep and it was so easy to browse to find good varied content to read. I had to scroll a long way in steemit to find an interesting crypto post. There are so many from the same author in the list, or other people who are not far off being contenders for that tag you mentioned.

Thanks again for the great post.

very important friend, cryptourrency is a new hope for all  level person..

My take is this: I’ve seen numerous attempts by the community to do “something”. Nothing appears to have worked. Every day that goes by is a day where more rewards are raked in. What do rewards give you? Immunity. Between his own power and group of sponsors (because there is more that the single name dropped individual), he has attained untouchable status.

And this is just one individual. What on earth happens if ten, one hundred people start up like this? Fundamentally, the tools given to the community are flawed. It reduces us to talking about the problem without being able to deal with the problem. Essentially, much like how the large central entities do a job in lifting up new users, central entities are needed to police. And it seems like a co-ordinated high power effort is not possible to achieve.

So this is what we will be reduced to. Talking about the issue, letting it spiral. I have no alternative, I have no means.

Your two posts were the most entertaining of the month! Keep it up!

Lage lubo kah gam

The question is, how can the platform allow users to correct this aberration?

The problem is that no minnow would dare downvoting a whale for fear of retaliation. A whale can send a minnow into oblivion with the click of the mouse.

I think that downvoting shouldn't be subject to fear but should always be accompanied by a clear justification of how the post breaks the rules and ethics of the platform, with reference to the said rules and ethics clearly published on the website.
This must be accompanied by a strong Steemit dispute resolution team.

I am glad others are talking about this too. That is steemit's flaw, it's got a gaping hole in it's core attraction. The reward pool. Until that is fixed, Steem won't get the mass adoption it craves

hmm aint cool at all, still a newbie tho an upvote wont be a bad idea of welcoming me

This is a very complex matter @rok-sevante. I think its value lies in acknowledge that the suspect conveyed has reveal a crucial element within the steem blockchain..

cool times your post, it becomes me motivated to work .. amazing :)

I know you are talking about @haejin. He think he is a successful steemian. But the truth is his all rewards comes from a single person and his selfvotes. Without @ranchorelaxo's votes he can't earn $10 SBD rewards in a day.

One thing abour steemit that I know is that, you lose some, you win some. Thats how the game is. My thoughts though

Aye, sometimes it seems that disengagement works best for these sorts of situations to solve thmselves, allowing the swarm to come to the conclusion that IT is making those payouts happen and falling for the invitation to war without quite realizing it. And the more the swarm has to divide and take sides the more the egos involved will get nurtured feeling part of some kind of holy crusade.

Speaking of disengagement: The thing I *can't* quite disengage from is at a whole other level. Raping the reward pool due to the greed of one's followers is one thing... actively censoring politically incorrect or academically unwanted evidence-based contemporary journalism is quite another, and it concerns me deeply. Especially the apparent lack of interest in it by those who could decidedly help to make it public and help force a statement or an official explanation instead of consenting through silence.

Especially when the people involved are at the higher echelons of the Steemit Inc ivory tower, blatanly disregarding any publicly confessed standards this platform supposedly stands for., or addressing the repeated calls to back up their claims and actions with any sort of tangible reasoning.

There the real danger can be found here, it's the best candidate for a case AGAINST steemit at the moment, to me. 

Users are users, and that's bad enough as you nailed in your two parts here. But actively circumcizing solid polticial debate while simultaneously holding influential core positions in this ecosystem and the development team is a whole other dimension of "worrysome" to me, and seems way more urgent in light of what I have witnessed than a possibly false prophet and his unaware flock.

Have you seen @truthtrader posts? He is tracking haejin portfolio to check How good he is.

Also, your should see what @tradergurl write. Now what she write is some real good Trading advice.

Anyway, there is a lot of issues here on steemit, but i see one of them that looks like the bigger one.

There is an lack of balance in the Power.

As steemit is working right now, whoever have more money, have the control. According to @arcange statistics, there is only 29 whales, and with the amount of sp that these accounts have, they can totally Control what Will be rewarded around here (not 100% but probably pretty close). And this is a big issue on a platform that is sold as a decentralized social media. It isnt. Power is concentrated in Very few hands.

If these 29 whales wanted, they could selfupvote, and flag most of the posts to keep the rewards for themselves.

That create a barrier to people that Join, do a few posts, never get attention, and then leave. We probably Lost a lot of good writers.

Why not make minnows votes be worth more? If steemit thrive,  most of the users Will be minnows, and steemit Will have a really bad retention rate, because they wont get much from the platform.

You make a very very good point in about this abuse @rok-sivante. I saw examples of this, people posting BS about crypto markets, maybe good maybe bad, but they were constantly receiving high rewards, but  didn't know about this user who you refer to. In one respect it could be fair gain, as you explained he's put years into learning the markets, but the point of crypto is to serve the people. If STEEM gets close to $100 each, he'd be making millions, and that's crazy, like really crazy, for posting blogs, atleast footballers actually put quite a bit of effort into their work. 

It seems to me that the platform is not being used at it should, and people using it for greed. I spend about 4-5 hours a day writing a science article, after studying my arse off for 6 years to know the Physics I do, I share my knowledge and get little recognition or rewards, I'm thankful for steemstem, the community and also a user called @shaka for the upvotes. Without them it would be pointless to continue. Someone posts a shit meme and gets 60 SBD uvote, it's mad, i'll be lucky to get 20 SBD on a good day for a post. 

It's sad because lots of people on here put in a lot of effort, time and "love" into their post, then compete with users writing BS, posting crap, or plagiarising by copy pasting and changing a few words. It does my head in.....

I'll continue to do what I am doing, hopefully build a fan base and see "just" rewards I guess. 

Thanks for the post and your opinion. Have a good day and see you around rok! ;)

**<div class=text-justify>Hello @rok-sivante, this is an argument that touches greedy people. is it greedy? greedy is the selfish nature of the person who wants to own all the treasures, all the profits fall into his hands, feel most worthy to get them all. and the nature of self-determination. covetous nature makes us unable to appreciate the work of others. and greed is a trait that will lead us into enmity.</div>**

Very interesting and good information for steemit members.
Good job for you..  👍

I am still quite new to steemit, and one of the first people whose posts I bumped into when starting was of course the person in question. At first I was quite inspired, seeing that people can make a lot of money with such short posts - I felt like if this person can do it, I can do it too. However, as time passed I started wondering what it is about these posts that is actually that valuable - the posts themselves don't seem to be of great insight. Then the whale wars started and I realized that instead of giving his upvotes to others, he was mostly (only? I am not really sure of this) upvoting himself, creating this snowball effect that seems to be unstoppable once you get to the whale stage. 
On one hand I respect anyone who has gotten so far with just bullshitting, and think that if people keep supporting this person, he sort of deserves it. On the other hand, because of the way power is distributed on steemit, this sort of behavior can be really bad for the platform as a whole, and especially to minnows that are just starting, as the rewards and steem power are so unevenly distributed - how can you grow bigger if the whales are only playing their own games while minnows supporting other minnows do not really have much opportunity as their upvotes only weigh so much? 
That being said, I am incredibly grateful for this platform, and think that with a little bit of adjusting to the way it works, it could become even better. :)
Thank for the honest post, I like how you don't just look at things from one perspective but understand them from multiple viewpoints.

>"Because this conduct probably does not serve the community so well."

I was a big fan of his before I found out he was also on Steemit, and do recognize that he is providing a service in demand, but it's just so much he's making and more importantly taking from others. It's not only hurting Steemians financially, but mentally as well- By dropping the overall morale.

I fought for a while, even changed sides when new information emerged, but I came to similar conclusion. If we focus on high-quality content and engagements, then the playing field can level out some by not playing into a flagging focus game. 

I'm not out to make someone's rewards drop to zero, but my understanding of Steemit is that we are essentially battling it out against hundreds of thousands of other people for rewards. 

I think that's the most effective and personally beneficial method to focus on our own growth and improvement. At the end of the day, we either complained, or produced something valuable.

His rewards have little to do with popularity. He controls a massive amount of SP and so can give himself huge votes evert time. He rarely votes for anyone else. Ideally more whales should flag his posts so there's more for others. Some are scared of him retaliating. He just sets a bad example

@rok-sivante, the way you come up with your topic baffles me alot aa they are always exceptional. But contrary to this, i dont know how this can be done. 

I had a thought about it for some time now and my thought was that

> the said person was enjoying this because alot of person found value in what he is doing and that is why they are fully supporting him but when i go close to what he always post, i felt sad for myself coz i know alot of persons who post good content of more than 3000 words and wont get a dollar in return.  But since this people loves him and are supportive, who are we? 

> Time will come, they will understand that it is  purely brainwashed 

 I dont even have anything to offer now, so i will seat on the fence

Every post looks the same. It's all about hype. He's like a used car salesman. He know's the car is junk but he will do whatever he can to sell you that car. He don't care if anyone reads his blogs. He only wants upvotes. One day I seen him ask people to powerup VP more to give him bigger upvotes. That comes from a person who gives 0 fucks about them.


I really believe 75% of his upvotes are accounts he created. They are all bots upvoting him. Some of those lame ass comments are bots too of his. I leave them comments & they never respond back to me. Without the one Whale voting for him, his post would earn around $5.00 each.

He is only here to make as much money as he can before it's gone. He keeps saying he does this for FREE. HE gives out all this information for FREE. We will see when we keep flagging him to $0.00 each day for weeks at a time. How long really does it for FREE then. He will leave & go back to just being on YouTube & Twitter.

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Hola @rok-sivante me tocó traducir todo lo que posteaste para entender jejeje pero me pareció super interesante tu punto de vista. Mmmm la verdad si es triste y molesta ver la actitud de este tipo de personas pero pienso que tarde o temprano a estos no les ira tan bien si se siguen aprovechando de los demás y velando solo por un beneficio propio. Dejemosle todo al tiempo y que Dios sea quien decida que hacer con estas personas. Agradecida por esta publicación, saludos desde Venezuela. I'm sorry, I don't speak english :( , Regards

I used to follow the person in question. The second party who steemit know as Flag warlord cos if you check his tags, you will see "flaggingisfun" as one of his tag. He and others are the ones trying to correct this bullshit.
The first party got a lot of supporters who justifies the rewards he is getting. Is really bad for the system and even Dan also downvoted the first party. All advice given to him all fell on deaf ear, the only way to correct the system error is flag war. I stood on the fence cos even my SP can't push a fly

good information bro, i see your post very interesting, good advise for new member steemit,, good luck for you